Very 1st cycle was 40mg ED of Dbol by itself 30yrs ago. Gained 25lbs,kept 15 of it. Worked amazing for me. Comes down to diet and how you continue to eat after you stop your cycle. You will obviously lose some,if you lose 95% of your gains you clearly did something wrong.
You'll hear mixed opinions about running it by itself....
Usually everything works better in a stack but D-bol works very well as a stand alone compound. It was designed as an oral TRT to replace methyltestosterone that gave everyone tits and roid rage (sarcasm). It converts to a 17-AA version of estrogen that binds strongly to the ER, hence the side effects. Used with an aromatase inhibitor it produces better gains with less estrogen side effects.
I like it at 15mg daily for longer runs, say 10 weeks. It is less toxic and the low dose cuts down on side effects. You can use more but side effects increase dramatically.
Always stack orals with test base, like other members say, you lose 80% maybe more from the d bol muscle & strength gains without test.
specialy when you near to your natural limit. Expect your a 160 pound guy, than you have this oh i gained 30 pounds and keep 23 from my cycle.
Why does everyone say this about old school orals but plenty of people ran OTC orals without testosterone base successfully? I'm speaking of Superdrol, Halovar, Pheraplex, etc. Testosterone inclusion doesn't magically make your gains stay after a cycle.
Why does everyone say this about old school orals but plenty of people ran OTC orals without testosterone base successfully? I'm speaking of Superdrol, Halovar, Pheraplex, etc. Testosterone inclusion doesn't magically make your gains stay after a cycle.
That's right your opinion is not wrong, but i think the chance to hold more muscle after cycle with test is lot easier.
Specialy if you run test many weeks longer than the orals. I always say the german adage: Was schnell kommt geht auch schnell wieder! Meant like: What comes fast goes fast.
Grampsis is right, you can do nothing wrong with a Test and Dbol cycle. For me on of the best roids combination you can do.
For mass and strength without sides or little.