EQ and RBC production

[cchrisjj]

I was running Primo 500 mg/WK, 50 mg WIn ED 4 weeks on 4 weeks off, for 8 weeks. I dropped the Win and started stacking the Primo with 600mg EQ (week 9).

Now from what I read EQ is suppose to up RBC production and thereby increasing O2 transport thereby giving me better stamina.

I train MMA and this whole week I feel as though I dont have any stamina.

Any ideas?

 

[RSR34]

Yeah, your lethargic because:

1. You have shut down and are not using at least a small base level of Testosterone. Without the androgens from test and DHT conversion, you will become lethargic. The winny might have been helping here, since it is a DHT derivative, but you dropped that.
2. There will be a lag time before you feel anything from the EQ, including stamina from RBC increases. Usually 4 weeks or more for anything really noticeable.

 

[street]

wasnt Epo designed to increase rbc count and o2 transport?Why bother with Eq.

 

[km2000]

in my experience with eq I have never seen an increase in rbc's, I have tested my levels 2x week for the duration of eq and never seen any increase in rbc.. the only drug that has given me a few point raise is anadrol..

 

[flexmaster]

wasnt Epo designed to increase rbc count and o2 transport?Why bother with Eq.

because EPO can kill you in minutes if the dosage is wrong...

 

[qwerty_uk]

I've just started my first cycle ever of bold + var, and all I've got to say is I can now appreciate why people say test should be at the base of every cycle because I felt lethargic and had 0% aggression within a few days. Thankfully I'd gone for bold ace in case I didn't like the affects so I stopped the bold and within a few days I felt a lot better.

Makes me curious about trying some test, maybe a future cycle with the bold.

 

[cchrisjj]

???

Yeah, your lethargic because:

1. You have shut down and are not using at least a small base level of Testosterone. Without the androgens from test and DHT conversion, you will become lethargic. The winny might have been helping here, since it is a DHT derivative, but you dropped that.
2. There will be a lag time before you feel anything from the EQ, including stamina from RBC increases. Usually 4 weeks or more for anything really noticeable.

Do you think I should add Test E. If so how much? 250 mg?

 

[jim bob]

yes EQ will cause a rise in RBC. Mine remained high after off for 3 months.

 

[thebrick]

I love EQ but I don't consider a rise in RBC a plus unless you are anemic. Elevated RBC is not good unless you like the increased possibility of a blood clot, stroke, or worse. Unless you are anemic, your lethargy is stemming from another cause.

 

[km2000]

epo cant kill you in minutes, it will take you 2-4 weeks of 20k iu+ /week to raise your crit to a level you will notice a headache(which is a warining sign to start taking some asprin) and higher bp, these cyclist that take this drug died because they were extremly dehydrated, on massive amounts of amphetimens and didnt get medical attention.....

elevated rbs's are not good unless you like the possibility to perform at a higher level, improve your immunity, get leaner easier, be able to train with minimal lactic acid buildup, increase vascularity, increased muscle fullness, and many more....

 

[thebrick]

epo cant kill you in minutes, it will take you 2-4 weeks of 20k iu+ /week to raise your crit to a level you will notice a headache(which is a warining sign to start taking some asprin) and higher bp, these cyclist that take this drug died because they were extremly dehydrated, on massive amounts of amphetimens and didnt get medical attention.....

elevated rbs's are not good unless you like the possibility to perform at a higher level, improve your immunity, get leaner easier, be able to train with minimal lactic acid buildup, increase vascularity, increased muscle fullness, and many more....

Then all means get it so elevated its like sludge. You'll look and perform great

 

[street]

Isn't MMA about performance?Wouln't a punch in the neck kill you in less than minutes?What about tren I heard it increases RBC?In competitive sports isn't that the risk to benefit ratio that athletes will push? enough rhetorical questions. How good are you at MMA?Turning Pro???

 

[terryd5150]

Then all means get it so elevated its like sludge. You'll look and perform great

Yup. Very true.

 

[km2000]

just to clarify for yal, i dont reccomend getting your rbc's to the point of blood turning so thick it is sludge,

I just thought the original post by brick
"Elevated RBC is not good unless you like the increased possibility of a blood clot, stroke, or worse"
was a little one sided, there are plenty of good benifits of incresed rbc's, t
hat would be like saying "insulin is no good unless you want to get fat and die!"
obviously there are many benifits to both, you just have to control it and be smart....

 

[cchrisjj]

MMA

Stand up is good, takedowns and clinch fighting is sick and juijitsu is good. The only thing lacking is cardio....its always nice to get a little help

 

[thebrick]

just to clarify for yal, i dont reccomend getting your rbc's to the point of blood turning so thick it is sludge,

I just thought the original post by brick
"Elevated RBC is not good unless you like the increased possibility of a blood clot, stroke, or worse"
was a little one sided, there are plenty of good benifits of incresed rbc's, t
hat would be like saying "insulin is no good unless you want to get fat and die!"
obviously there are many benifits to both, you just have to control it and be smart....

I'll agree with that. Just be smart and get your blood work done regularly because if it gets too high it will spell trouble for sure. I am just basing my opinion on my own experience that I have with my RBC getting elevated even on HRT and my doctor does not like that and watches me closely.