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Estrogen cream for raising estrogen

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This would be for a deca only cycle. I'm scared of losing my hair. Anyone use estrogen cream and had lab work?

VigorousSteve mentioned he ran and a gram of deca solo and had his estrogen low. He added 25 mgs dhea and I forget how much pregnenolone and it came back at 10. Reference range is 10-40.

I really don't want to run low dose Dbol because my hair has already miniturized some and don't want it to do more. I do have ru58841 but not totally sure this would eliminate dht from Dbol and even possibly any from deca. Furthermore, I don't think dhea is enough to do much and even that could cause more hair miniturization.

I see one brand that looks okay and did research on it , has two forms of estrogen but don't know how much it raises estrogen .
 

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I really don't want to run low dose Dbol because my hair has already miniturized some and don't want it to do more. I do have ru58841 but not totally sure this would eliminate dht from Dbol and even possibly any from deca.
^^^Metandienone ..aka Methandienone ..aka DBOL ◄does not convert to DHT via the 5-Alpha-Reductase enzyme

►it can however, be metabolized into M1T (..Methyl-1-Testosterone) via the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme

^^^BUT it has a very low propensity for this bc it has a very low affinity for the 5-A-R enzyme ..so it only does this in very tiny, negligible amounts


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I would try a progesterone (perhaps transdermal) before any exogenous estrogen. At least progesterone has been shown to decrease 5-alpha reduction through inhibition of the reductase enzyme. Theoretically, even a SERM would be preferable to estrogen.
 

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I would start here at 25mgs and get labs. Otherwise you are shooting in the dark.
I'm pretty sure that's what Steve vigorous did via his lab results that caused his estrogen to raise . I don't think it was pregnenolone. Because that is the only two hormones he use with Deca when he had lab work before and after.

So yes DHEA does seem to work 25 mg raising estrogen to about 10 so you can say 50 mg might raise it to 20. That said I was thinking DHE converts to DHT so is it even worth the risk for me for hair loss as I only have one head of hair and I don't want the jeopardize it as much as possible right now.
 

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^^^Metandienone ..aka Methandienone ..aka DBOL ◄does not convert to DHT via the 5-Alpha-Reductase enzyme

►it can however, be metabolized into M1T (..Methyl-1-Testosterone) via the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme

^^^BUT it has a very low propensity for this bc it has a very low affinity for the 5-A-R enzyme ..so it only does this in very tiny, negligible amounts


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Thank you. That is the reason I ran Deca and dbol list cycle because it's supposed to be like the safest hair friendly stack.
Furthermore Deco solo is supposed to be the a very very low hair-risk cycle. Test solo international gets too high the finasteride might not cover it and I really don't want to go up in testosterone dose always keep mine low to fairly low not even moderate usually.

My last cycle I ran Deca and low dose Dbol 10 mg some days 20 and possibly experienced some hair miniaturization on it. I could always get a hair transplant if need be.
 

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Hmmm first I've heard this. Nandrolone raises progesterone right?

A serm wouldn't be applicable to Deca since does not really raise estrogen , right?
 

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I'm pretty sure that's what Steve vigorous did via his lab results that caused his estrogen to raise . I don't think it was pregnenolone. Because that is the only two hormones he use with Deca when he had lab work before and after.

So yes DHEA does seem to work 25 mg raising estrogen to about 10 so you can say 50 mg might raise it to 20. That said I was thinking DHE converts to DHT so is it even worth the risk for me for hair loss as I only have one head of hair and I don't want the jeopardize it as much as possible right now.
VigorousSteve (queer name really isn't it?) snorts intranasal oxyTOCIN before training. That's oxyTOCIN (the pair bonding hormone). For improving bonding between mother and child. That's all you need to know about that Rhodes scholar.
 

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VigorousSteve (queer name really isn't it?) snorts intranasal oxyTOCIN before training. That's oxyTOCIN (the pair bonding hormone). For improving bonding between mother and child. That's all you need to know about that Rhodes scholar.
Lol I was thinking the same when I read the guys name posted on another thread, vigorous. Post of the year.
 

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This would be for a deca only cycle. I'm scared of losing my hair. Anyone use estrogen cream and had lab work?

VigorousSteve mentioned he ran and a gram of deca solo and had his estrogen low. He added 25 mgs dhea and I forget how much pregnenolone and it came back at 10. Reference range is 10-40.

I really don't want to run low dose Dbol because my hair has already miniturized some and don't want it to do more. I do have ru58841 but not totally sure this would eliminate dht from Dbol and even possibly any from deca. Furthermore, I don't think dhea is enough to do much and even that could cause more hair miniturization.

I see one brand that looks okay and did research on it , has two forms of estrogen but don't know how much it raises estrogen .

Junk, absorption is hit or miss and inconsistent.


Better off ordering indian pharma E2 tablets.

(I'm a men/women's HRT expert)
 

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To add to this since it won't let me edit:


If you are running deca only and you have an active sex life, make sure you carry viagra/cialis and caber or pramipexole.

You don't want to hit week 5 and experience gummy worm syndrome with the lady/ladies.

Deca only can give one guy high libido and no erection problems and another guy will be virtually castrated. Best of luck my friend.

(Adding E2 may improve or worsen sexual function depending your individual genetics, however, in my experience Nandrolone+E2 = Gyno rocket fuel if susceptible due to progestogen+estrogen synergy in breast growth.)
 

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To add to this since it won't let me edit:


If you are running deca only and you have an active sex life, make sure you carry viagra/cialis and caber or pramipexole.

You don't want to hit week 5 and experience gummy worm syndrome with the lady/ladies.

Deca only can give one guy high libido and no erection problems and another guy will be virtually castrated. Best of luck my friend.

(Adding E2 may improve or worsen sexual function depending your individual genetics, however, in my experience Nandrolone+E2 = Gyno rocket fuel if susceptible due to progestogen+estrogen synergy in breast growth.)

Deca I seem to be fine with. Test and deca is what's seemed to caused gummy worm dick and other sides for me.

You do understand why a certain level of estrogen is in necessary neuroprotective for the brain right?

The reason for raising estrogen levels is for this point and of course overall health the many other health benefits it has sexual and otherwise. Farthermore I seem to suffer for from some sort of androgenic alopecia, and of course adding androgens without protection is going to cause hair to miniaturize farther. Does that is why I'm using even hesitant to add in DHEA 25-50 or dbol low dose 5-10 mgs because I do think they would get the job done as far as keeping estrogen levels probably about maybe 10 to 20, which still isn't high the upper limit is 40. But for even less hair miniature risk estrogen .

I do have progesterone and it's a cream and it's from wild yams and I believe it does have legit progesterone in it as does I think that product I talked about has legit estogen and estrodail small doses. I'm working right now but when I get home I'll try to look up the ingredients and list them

And also be using ru58841 because obviously for finasteride s out of the question with this obviously and this just cause it to be more androgenic.
 

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Deca I seem to be fine with. Test and deca is what's seemed to caused gummy worm dick and other sides for me.

You do understand why a certain level of estrogen is in necessary neuroprotective for the brain right?

The reason for raising estrogen levels is for this point and of course overall health the many other health benefits it has sexual and otherwise. Farthermore I seem to suffer for from some sort of androgenic alopecia, and of course adding androgens without protection is going to cause hair to miniaturize farther. Does that is why I'm using even hesitant to add in DHEA 25-50 or dbol low dose 5-10 mgs because I do think they would get the job done as far as keeping estrogen levels probably about maybe 10 to 20, which still isn't high the upper limit is 40. But for even less hair miniature risk estrogen .

I do have progesterone and it's a cream and it's from wild yams and I believe it does have legit progesterone in it as does I think that product I talked about has legit estogen and estrodail small doses. I'm working right now but when I get home I'll try to look up the ingredients and list them

And also be using ru58841 because obviously for finasteride s out of the question with this obviously and this just cause it to be more androgenic.

I know more than anyone, HRT is my field.


If we're talking a cycle for building muscle and/or strength, acute drops in estrogen for a few weeks or even months is unlikely to cause any permanent harm. If we are talking HRT with DECA, then we can start to ponder more on the preventative/neuroprotective/cardioprotective aspect.

Do also note that many of the studies showing neuro/cardio/nephro toxic effects of androgens were done in vitro (test tube/cell lines) and rodents.


Are you using Nizoral 2% shampoo at all? It will significantly prevent or greatly reduce androgenic alopecia and will reverse thinning if started early enough. Best results are seen after 6 months of consistent use.
(Source and pictures below)



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This would be for a deca only cycle. I'm scared of losing my hair. Anyone use estrogen cream and had lab work?

VigorousSteve mentioned he ran and a gram of deca solo and had his estrogen low. He added 25 mgs dhea and I forget how much pregnenolone and it came back at 10. Reference range is 10-40.

I really don't want to run low dose Dbol because my hair has already miniturized some and don't want it to do more. I do have ru58841 but not totally sure this would eliminate dht from Dbol and even possibly any from deca. Furthermore, I don't think dhea is enough to do much and even that could cause more hair miniturization.

I see one brand that looks okay and did research on it , has two forms of estrogen but don't know how much it raises estrogen .

Gonna add conversation response i had with @Type-IIx regarding topical forms of E, it might help you if you decide to add the E to your deca cycle



"Not a fan of transdermal patches as it's inconvenient for active people who sweat a lot, go to beach/pool etc.. Creams are very hit or miss with absorption (usually very low absorption) but high enough absorption to disrupt endocrine system of pets/husbands/kids (this is the worst form of E-HRT and I've seen dogs with gynecomastia from E cream exposure). Gels are pretty good, but they can be expensive and the dosage is high (5-10 mg for a woman. Usually 1 pump = 0.75 mg ). Generally for gel, 1.5 grams = +45 pg/mL on average but always different from patient to patient. For men, oral E tab of 0.5-2 mg is generally most convenient but can spike SHBG. 1-2 pumps of gel will also do the job while bypassing first pass liver metabolism avoiding the SHBG problem. E Injections are the #1 form of HRT for women, in men, it can be done but you need the lower concentration oils to make it feasible (<20 mg/mL )" - Black Beard
 

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I know more than anyone, HRT is my field.


If we're talking a cycle for building muscle and/or strength, acute drops in estrogen for a few weeks or even months is unlikely to cause any permanent harm. If we are talking HRT with DECA, then we can start to ponder more on the preventative/neuroprotective/cardioprotective aspect.

Do also note that many of the studies showing neuro/cardio/nephro toxic effects of androgens were done in vitro (test tube/cell lines) and rodents.


Are you using Nizoral 2% shampoo at all? It will significantly prevent or greatly reduce androgenic alopecia and will reverse thinning if started early enough. Best results are seen after 6 months of consistent use.
(Source and pictures below)


This would be for a cycle. Animal studies are all we have to go by for now it appears. Yes Ive used Nizoral 2% scripted since 2004. Ketoconazole still doesnt stop hair miniaturization from stronger androgens and or higher anabolic doses, where androgenic effects are higher due to higher dosing. I was natural for many years and it helped a lot then. Ive found five minutes isnt long enough, it really needs to be on hair at least twenty or thirty minutes. In addition, I take finasteride on test. RU58841, an anti-androgen, minoxidil, and derma roll.

Only way I know of getting estrogens pills is scripted and pretty sure Primary or endo wouldn't write it. so its the number one selling estrogen cream on amazon , copied
  • EST VALUE – MORE ESTROGEN (90 DAY SUPPLY): BI-EST 2.5 Cream is a combination of two bio-identical estrogens (Estriol and Estradiol) in a balanced ratio of 80/20 for best results; Each pump provides 2mg of Estriol USP and 0.5mg of Estradiol USP. Each bottle contains 200mg of Estriol and 50mg of Estradiol, with approximately 90 pumps per bottle!
  • PHARMACIST FORMULATED & RECOMMENDED: All Natural Bioidentical Estriol & Estradiol cream clinically tested by the United States Pharmacopoeia (USP) & recommended by Medical Doctors, Naturopathic Doctors, Holistic Health Professionals.

With each pump providing 2mg of Estriol USP and 0.5mg of Estradiol USP I would think even a half a pump would bring estrogen levels up to maybe 25-30 (just a guess)

I have used a progesterone cream at night, it may be the same brand , anyways, throughout sleep and the next day I feel much calmer, sleep well, and overall much much different, like it calms me down, in a good way.
 

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I'd try the deca only first. Deca still aromatizes. If you feel any low estrogen sides, why not use dermacrine, or transdermal dhea? As @Type-IIx said, using pure estrogen as a male is going to be detrimental man. Unless you're trying to become female(obviously no) , I would not risk it....
 

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I'd try the deca only first. Deca still aromatizes. If you feel any low estrogen sides, why not use dermacrine, or transdermal dhea? As @Type-IIx said, using pure estrogen as a male is going to be detrimental man. Unless you're trying to become female(obviously no) , I would not risk it....
Deca only crushes estrogen via labs for a gram of deca solo user ive referenced. The whole target is to not have any hair miniaturization as this would be a go to cycle provided I figure out how to not get any hair miniaturization. Putting estrogen in normal range via cream or even pill, when its low, due to deca causing estrogen to be low, is different than what a male that takes nothing or adding in estrogen to testosterone, do you understand that?
 

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