Even JP not going to failure anymore...

[Josefein421]

Meant to post this when I screenshot it the other day...

I knew he had stopped using intensifiers but now stopping short of the brain numbing failure he was so known for?? And today I saw him say he no longer will do any hinge movements because of terrible sciatica. I guess eventually the game catches up to everyone in some way.

 

[Splitzz]

Makes sense plus isn’t he only on trt now? He put enough size on for his size lol

 

[traininsane11]

Meant to post this when I screenshot it the other day...

I knew he had stopped using intensifiers but now stopping short of the brain numbing failure he was so known for?? And today I saw him say he no longer will do any hinge movements because of terrible sciatica. I guess eventually the game catches up to everyone in some way.
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I predicted sooooo much of this stuff recently right HERE on this forum I swear people spy on what we say on here then for some reason think we know what we’re on about and follow suit

Makes sense plus isn’t he only on trt now? He put enough size on for his size lol

He posted recently he’s on about 5g and 20iu of hgh as he supposedly prepares to compete again

 

[Heath82]

give it a few weeks and he will change his mind and go back to what he always does

 

[Splitzz]

I predicted sooooo much of this stuff recently right HERE on this forum I swear people spy on what we say on here then for some reason think we know what we’re on about and follow suit



He posted recently he’s on about 5g and 20iu of hgh as he supposedly prepares to compete again

Damn, didn’t know that. Thought he gave up because of his mid section. Im a fan of Jp, I should join his page

 

[PissedPajamas]

give it a few weeks and he will change his mind and go back to what he always does

to play devils advocate, if what he’s always done hasn’t gotten him where he wants to be, then maybe you gotta change the formula up.

“the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results” etc etc

 

[qbkilla]

Very interesting, always love a good training theory thread especially with the guys here. I posted my thoughts on frequency here but my thoughts on rir are essentially the same

Tendon training Frequency and Volume

Nothing says "pure retard" like signing up a 5 year old to max out lifting for Powerlifting. :( Brainless

www.professionalmuscle.com

The concept behind rir is basically you can do more volume if you don't hit failure, because you accumulate less fatigue..as those last few reps are very fatiguing. Now jp..we know he can tell when he has 1 more rep. But your average trainee?.id argue if they try and stop 2 reps before failure, they very well may be inadvertently stopping 4 short of failure, meaning a weak stimulus or even no stimulus from growth was achieved.

I personally think rir can work for an advanced trainee who knows what true failure is...but for 90% of lifters...going to failure will lead to better gains. It is a fool proof method to garuntee a growth stimulus.

 

[thethinker48]

I mean how much more can he really push the poundages and intensity on sets?

JP became one of the densest and most muscular humans on the planet using his methods, but at some point he can benefit from added volume and giving his joints a break

 

[alfresco]

Jay. Never trained to failure.

 

[Gaintrain]

I predicted sooooo much of this stuff recently right HERE on this forum I swear people spy on what we say on here then for some reason think we know what we’re on about and follow suit



He posted recently he’s on about 5g and 20iu of hgh as he supposedly prepares to compete again

that sure as shit aint TRT doses

 

[Big Dave Smith]

The whole volume/intensity argument is like arguing which water is the wettest.

Train hard enough to stimulate. Wait long enough to recover, but not so long that you waste time.

Mike Israetel gets shit for his ideas, but one thing he’s correct about is the minimum required volume and maximum adaptive volume, confounded by training intensity.

Doesn’t matter what you use as long as you’re both recovering and making quantifiable or qualifiable progress of some kind.

It’s so strange how we make a big deal when someone changes their stance or approach, as if their approach to bodybuilding is dogmatic. If someone changes, they’re a flip flopper. If someone doesn’t change, they’re stubborn.

 

[qbkilla]

My question...say someone does low volume high intensity and feels beat up. They then switch to high volume and don't train to failure and use what has become known as "rir". I personally would just call it not to failure training because if you tell me you hit 2 rir id ask " how do you know it wasn’t 3 rir, or 1 rir? Would you bet your life on it?" If the answer is no just say you didn't hit failure..you gain nothing from taking a guess how many you could have gotten.

But anyway...your doing low volume to failure and your beat up. Why not just lighten the load and use higher reps for a while? Wouldn't that training modification allow the body a break and give a different stimulus?

If im doing 5 sets a week of chest and then double that but don't train to failure, are those reps at the end i skipped really going to alleviate wear and tear if im using the same load?

 

[hawkmoon]

JP used to enjoy training until he popped muscle fibers. I always felt that was too much.
There is training to failure and there is training to destroy yourself.

I almost always go to failure in some movement in each major muscle group, usually a single compound movement.
That said, my failure is performed as clean as possible. I think if you fail with perfect form you can avoid injuries.
My only injuries have been from overextension (pec tear on flyes) and machine accident (quads).

 

[Orville Shreddenbacher]

JP used to enjoy training until he popped muscle fibers. I always felt that was too much.
There is training to failure and there is training to destroy yourself.

I almost always go to failure in some movement in each major muscle group, usually a single compound movement.
That said, my failure is performed as clean as possible. I think if you fail with perfect form you can avoid injuries.
My only injuries have been from overextension (pec tear on flyes) and machine accident (quads).

This exactly in my book . Bboy once said something on here that stuck with me , he trains until " form failure " makes the most sense to me

 

[thethinker48]

JP used to enjoy training until he popped muscle fibers. I always felt that was too much.
There is training to failure and there is training to destroy yourself.

I almost always go to failure in some movement in each major muscle group, usually a single compound movement.
That said, my failure is performed as clean as possible. I think if you fail with perfect form you can avoid injuries.
My only injuries have been from overextension (pec tear on flyes) and machine accident (quads).

I remember JP talking about listening to classical music and crying and going to dark places during sets to push himself to failure

There are probably levels to intensity, and that is the extreme end of the sympathetic nervous system. Akin to putting yourself psychologically in life threatening situations mentally every workout.

The average person (especially what the fitness industry is nowadays with the RIR twinks arguing over science) will never understand that intensity.

 

[xpoc]

give it a few weeks and he will change his mind and go back to what he always does

He does flip flop a lot. I remember when one of his close friends died, he swore off mass building/drugs and switched to jui-jitsu.

 

[thethinker48]

He does flip flop a lot. I remember when one of his close friends died, he swore off mass building/drugs and switched to jui-jitsu.

I think it is very hard for anyone to understand the level of drive JP has towards bodybuilding

Life can become very purposeless when you have to take that away. And the reality of bodybuilding is that you HAVE to take that away at some point or you will die early. Your body has a shelf life for how much it can push the drugs, the weight and the food. Get in, go hard, and get out. This way you can see grandkids. Some unlucky folks will be smart but their genetics won't allow them to even make it past a certain age due to pre existing factors.

 

[TrippplePPP]

This exactly in my book . Bboy once said something on here that stuck with me , he trains until " form failure " makes the most sense to me

This is how to avoid injury. There is a reason us aging fellas can continue to “lift weights”. Train the muscle to just before the function of joint protection is diminished then quit recover for next session then repeat. Good quote/find OS and BBoy.

 

[megroo]

The difference is that he’s not doing sets of let’s say 8-12 reps.
If you look at his training, all his sets are in the 3-5 reps, generally 4 and even the odd single.

At the weights needed for him to perform such low reps, I doubt he’s leaving much in the tank.
I bet that 1 rir would be a real grinder, given his mindset and the way he trains.
Not the same as leaving 1 rir at 12 reps

 

[xpoc]

I think it is very hard for anyone to understand the level of drive JP has towards bodybuilding

Life can become very purposeless when you have to take that away. And the reality of bodybuilding is that you HAVE to take that away at some point or you will die early. Your body has a shelf life for how much it can push the drugs, the weight and the food. Get in, go hard, and get out. This way you can see grandkids. Some unlucky folks will be smart but their genetics won't allow them to even make it past a certain age due to pre existing factors.

I have made a lot of mistakes in my life. One mistake I never made was to abuse AAS while still maintaining my love of bodybuilding. I never got huge. But, I am 57 and I consistently still get comments on my physique. For that, I am proud. More so than winning a trophy 20 years ago while sacrificing my health. Crazy thing is, I am STILL looking to add mass and get leaner despite being a gym rat since 1984. Honestly, my physique NOW is the best I have ever been. Will I win a show? Heck no (unless it is a local novice show). But, do I look better than most of the dudes in my gym...yeah. I once read a book titled, MUSCLE, CONFESSIONS OF AN UNLIKELY BODYBUILDER. It was more about the mental addiction of bodybuilding but one quote I remember from the book was, "Growth for the sake of growth is ideology of only bodybuilders and cancer cells." So instead of focusing on just piling on mass at all costs, I took a measured approach and it has kept me in the game for 40+ years. But with that mindset, I also understand I will never be a "champion" on the stage. All that said, I still train like JP...going to failure with high intensity and low(er) volume.