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Experienced Primo Users...

1980, w- a ZZ383 Stroker 4 speed.
Had it since I was 19, and still gets me in trouble.
Plus a 69 hardtail, and a 79 Eldo
I keep everything, even been married 22 yrs.lol
 
You sure it's legit 1tc? You can get similar effects to 1tc with eq mixed with low dose tren. Go to how much you trust your guy and his rep.

no, but i have seen lab tests and they come back well

i labmaxed her ver and it came back legit -but labmax only goes so far

if its eq raw it would have to be liquid at room temp I could tell if it was something mixed, all the eq raw ive seen is liquid at room temp and its hot here in cali
 
Real ugl primo should cost about 50-75% of pharma primo. The ones I've seen tested have always been in that range price wise. 50-75% of $8-12/100mg do the math on that. Gonna cost you a pretty penny.

Primo raw is around 22 dollars per g. An UGL buying in quantity will pay 18-20. Plus all the costs of production, it can be sold for 40-50 bucks or so per vial. The UGL can always choose to make a smaller profit on this just to make it available to clients. It's doable.

1tc kills lipids and where are you finding it? The powder factory stopped making it from what I was told. I haven't seen 1tc on any list in a long time.

Yep. Can't find 1tc anywhere.
 
As far as looking more toward health, Var will decimate your HDL! Definitely have supplements in place to counteract that as best you can!!

Absolutely.

Many years ago Var built a reputation as one of the "safer" steroids, much of which was due to its diminished effects on liver function relative to other methyls.

Even though we now know better, this reputation still persists among some of the older crowd. However, the reality is that methyls are the "most" dangerous class of steroids, due to their deleterious effects on cardiovascular health. Var, as you mentioned, possesses the ability to severely damage the cholesterol profile, with many individual reporting HDL readings under 10 within just a few short weeks...even when using what most would consider "lower" dosages of the drug.

So, despite its reputation as one of the "milder" AAS, it is really anything but.
 
No doubt about it! Cardiac and liver health products are and will stay in place. I was just under the assumption that Var would be better to use in shorts spurts rather than tren/winny/mast.

The assumed risks are there...trying to minimize health hazards from tren (cardiac/kidney/liver), EQ (hematocrit/rbc), deca/npp (cardiac), winny (liver, cardiac). HBP associated with some of those as well.

Winstrol is in the same boat, but as for tren and Mast, I would say both are safer.
 
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after comparing with primobolan, I am going to opt for 1-test-cyp - cheaper and more anabolic . It seems more bang for buck . Any fdbk welcome

good luck on your cycle, youre shredded already

best wishes

I can't speak on the health risks of 1-test in comparison to Primo, but it certainly does provide more bang for the buck. It gives a very similar look (it's likely that no one will be able to tell the difference) for less money and is a superior growth agent. I am running some right now. My lipids have always been fine on it.
 
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I can't speak on the health risks of 1-test in comparison to Primo, but it certainly does provide more bang for the buck. It gives a very similar look (it's likely that no one will be able to tell the difference) for less money and is a superior growth agent. I am running some right now. My lipids have always been fine on it.

thank you for your insight, I have been following you for years .

what is the probability that the 1-tc is legitimate? All the raw I have used from SWIM in past are fantastic . Have yet to try the primo or 1tc though , in fact I have never tried primo.
 
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Winstrol is in the same boat, but as for tren and Mast, I would say both are safer.

I get that Orals will crush cholesterol levels...but as far as impacting other things I'm just not sure if it's on the same level as tren/winny.

I mean winny kills/drys out my tendons. Var on the other hand makes them feel pretty good. So when I say safer that needs to be taken into consideration as well. I'm not running winny offseason for that reason alone.

And when it comes to tren we know of the cardio and kidney health issues. Also raising liver enzymes (just like var) would. But also what about impacted sleep issues and mood changes/alterations. I consider that health as well.

So when I say health and being safe it's more than just 'bloodwork' health. Maybe I should have made that clear.

But if guys are going to run 100-150mg a-bombs in the off season I don't see why Var couldn't be run safely at 50mg a day for 4-6 week. Safely being up to the individual and what they deam as safe.
 
All this would have to be confirmed through blood work and legitimate product too.

Who knows...a lot of Var could be winny. A lot of primo could be and EQ mix. It would be cool so have legit product of each and after a run do blood work too see ramifications.
 
no, but i have seen lab tests and they come back well

i labmaxed her ver and it came back legit -but labmax only goes so far

if its eq raw it would have to be liquid at room temp I could tell if it was something mixed, all the eq raw ive seen is liquid at room temp and its hot here in cali

You're getting it as raw I thought you're getting finished product. I didn't know lab max had a 1tc/dhb test. New to me. If I see it on a list as finished product maybe I won't horde the last few vials I have lol

All this would have to be confirmed through blood work and legitimate product too.

Who knows...a lot of Var could be winny. A lot of primo could be and EQ mix. It would be cool so have legit product of each and after a run do blood work too see ramifications.

You should know the difference between Winny and Var. Very easy to tell if you've used legit Var.
 
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Winstrol is in the same boat, but as for tren and Mast, I would say both are safer.

Tren always gets a reputation of being one of the harshest compounds out there (I feel the same way). I do agree that winstrol will wreck your HDL big time, but do you not think tren would wreck it too just as bad?
 
Nothing is ever set in stone.. But I run low test 250 to 300 mgs and 600 primo.. I'll run oral turinabol 50 mgs Eod in accordance with my workouts.. Joints feel great.. I feel good.. Blood pressure today was 123/63.. I'm getting bloods done soon.. I'm gaining well after my knee replacement where I hafnt trained for three months.. I'm 5'9 274 today... Want to be 250 or a bit less.. Primo makes me feel good and energized where test drags me down.. Again my " builders" are NPP, PRIMO ORAL TURINABOL and low dose tren everyone in a while..

That's just a great cycle. Very basic, but sweet and to the point.

If I was aiming for a certain look, I'd replace the Test with Mast P, and change out the Turinabol for Var and/or Winny. If I was trying to get bigger, I'd swap the tbol with march pharma dbol or anapolan. If I want in the middle, I'd do exactly as you have out there.

As for legit Primo. You can get it properly. It's expensive, it's worth it. Minimum 400mg for 10 weeks. That's 40 amps over 2.5 months, it can be better than $300/mo for certain. Not much better, but definitely better.

If you want to do this cleanly, just get 400mg Primo, 600mg Mast P, 150mg Test P and enjoy a real crisp look. Take injections 3x week. 133mg Primo, 200mg Mast P, 50mg Test P.
 
I can't speak on the health risks of 1-test in comparison to Primo, but it certainly does provide more bang for the buck. It gives a very similar look (it's likely that no one will be able to tell the difference) for less money and is a superior growth agent. I am running some right now. My lipids have always been fine on it.

I have legitimate 1test cyp right now, and will tell you it's no Primo. It's cheaper alternative and I would recommend it. I just wouldn't use it over Primo if finances weren't an issue. Primo is hands down better mg for mg.

It's toss up between 1test cyp and REAL EQ. Not EQ UGL, there's only one UGL I'd buy EQ from. Just one. Outside of that, it's Peso Pesado or Fort Dodge. I'd trust this UGL source and his EQ is fucking fantastic; I'm talking leather smell from the package. No one else's UGL EQ comes close. And no, nobody PM me for a source.
 
I love pharma grade EQ too.

Last time I used was this one:

**broken link removed**

The upper chest, shoulders, traps. There's not a single drug that does more for me than real EQ.
 
I have legitimate 1test cyp right now, and will tell you it's no Primo. It's cheaper alternative and I would recommend it. I just wouldn't use it over Primo if finances weren't an issue. Primo is hands down better mg for mg.

It's toss up between 1test cyp and REAL EQ. Not EQ UGL, there's only one UGL I'd buy EQ from. Just one. Outside of that, it's Peso Pesado or Fort Dodge. I'd trust this UGL source and his EQ is fucking fantastic; I'm talking leather smell from the package. No one else's UGL EQ comes close. And no, nobody PM me for a source.

I have used both many times, and I feel the exact opposite--that 1-test is a far superior growth agent, mg per mg. I know many others that have used both drugs, and aside from you, all share the same opinion.

Anabolic ratings, although often highly deceptive, can occasionally shed some additional light on a drug's effectiveness. In this instance, 1-testosterone was shown to produce over 7X the muscle growth, mg per mg, than Primobolan...with Primo's anabolic rating coming in at only 88 and 1-test at a whopping 700.

So, in my experience and the experience of others, and when reviewing the literature, 1-test has been shown to be the superior growth agent. In fact, in my experience (and the experience of those I know), 1-test has consistently produced such superior growth results that I don't even consider them to be comparable. When I use Primo, I don't really grow at all, even with 500 mg/week. On the other hand, 1-test does add muscle tissue at a moderate rate.

I also consider it to be significantly better at promoting growth than EQ...with both real-world and clinical evidence backing up that claim.

About 10 years ago, when 1-test was much more readily available, I used it many times...and helped at least a dozen bodybuilders obtain the drug. Like I said, all shared the same opinion as myself, so it makes me wonder how legitimate your 1-test really was.

If you look around the boards at people that have used it (most reviews were put up years ago), you will pretty much see the same opinion reiterated over and over again. I believe even B-boy gave 1-test high praise on this board a few years ago. Primo has never been known as a good growth drug. On the other hand, 1-test is one of the best "dry" steroids out there at promoting growth. It is not a "mass-builder", per say, just as tren isn't considered a "mass-builder"...but I feel tren and 1-test are right up at the top of the heap in terms of growth promotion, when compared against the rest of the "dry" non-methylated AAS.

Lastly, I would go so far as to say that I have more experience with 1-test than almost anyone else that posts online. I was all over this drug when it first came out about 12 years ago...and used at least 7-8 different brands for 10-12 cycles. One of these was raw material obtained directly from a now non-existent supp company (1-test used to be sold legally), which had all their 1-test tested in US labs for both purity & potency. It was pharm-grade, as much as it could be. So, I've used my share of both good and bad 1-test. When good, it is one of my favorite steroids. Side effects (at least from an external and perceptual standpoint) are minimal. In fact, I don't really get any side effects from it. It is my "tren alternative" when I don't feel like dealing with tren's shitty sides.
 
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I have used both many times, and I feel the exact opposite--that 1-test is a far superior growth agent, mg per mg. I know many others that have used both drugs, and aside from you, all share the same opinion.

Anabolic ratings, although often highly deceptive, can occasionally shed some additional light on a drug's effectiveness. In this instance, 1-testosterone was shown to produce over 7X the muscle growth, mg per mg, than Primobolan...with Primo's anabolic rating coming in at only 88 and 1-test at a whopping 700.

So, in my experience and the experience of others, and when reviewing the literature, 1-test has been shown to be the superior growth agent. In fact, in my experience (and the experience of those I know), 1-test has consistently produced such superior growth results that I don't even consider them to be comparable. When I use Primo, I don't really grow at all, even with 500 mg/week. On the other hand, 1-test does add muscle tissue at a moderate rate.

I also consider it to be significantly better at promoting growth than EQ...with both real-world and clinical evidence backing up that claim.

About 10 years ago, when 1-test was much more readily available, I used it many times...and helped at least a dozen bodybuilders obtain the drug. Like I said, all shared the same opinion as myself, so it makes me wonder how legitimate your 1-test really was.

If you look around the boards at people that have used it (most reviews were put up years ago), you will pretty much see the same opinion reiterated over and over again. I believe even B-boy gave 1-test high praise on this board a few years ago. Primo has never been known as a good growth drug. On the other hand, 1-test is one of the best "dry" steroids out there at promoting growth. It is not a "mass-builder", per say, just as tren isn't considered a "mass-builder"...but I feel tren and 1-test are right up at the top of the heap in terms of growth promotion, when compared against the rest of the "dry" non-methylated AAS.

Lastly, I would go so far as to say that I have more experience with 1-test than almost anyone else that posts online. I was all over this drug when it first came out about 12 years ago...and used at least 7-8 different brands for 10-12 cycles. One of these was raw material obtained directly from a now non-existent supp company (1-test used to be sold legally), which had all their 1-test tested in US labs for both purity & potency. It was pharm-grade, as much as it could be. So, I've used my share of both good and bad 1-test. When good, it is one of my favorite steroids. Side effects (at least from an external and perceptual standpoint) are minimal. In fact, I don't really get any side effects from it. It is my "tren alternative" when I don't feel like dealing with tren's shitty sides.

Mike,

What's the minimum dose you would recommend for 1-test? From what I read 300-400mg are standard, but i was wondering if you could get good results with less than that.

On another hand, do you think 1-test is as mild as primo as far as side effects, blood work etc..?
 

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