Experiences and opinions on different Test:Tren ratios

[trenbaby]

I’m aware everyone is different, tolerate drugs differently etc.

I’ve seen a few people say that the ratio of Test:Tren depends on your goals. For example Test equal to or higher than Tren for mass gaining, and Test kept at TRT and Tren high for cutting down bodyfat.

Curious to know what the experiences of people here who have experimented with both. Was one better than the other for muscle gain/recomp/fat loss? It doesn’t make a difference?

Thanks

 

[bennym]

The best ratio for you is going to be the highest amount you can run of both without having to blast tons ancillaries and without having loads of side effects.

The ratio won’t affect your goals. Estrogen won’t stop you from getting shredded if you run Test higher than Tren.

 

[Splitzz]

Tren=Lowest effective dose with minimal sides.
Opinion only use it for contest prep but to each their own. Get familiar with all other anabolic’s first and how to handle the sides, Tren isn’t necessary.

 

[ChickenRiceRepeat]

I don’t run tren and likely won’t again outside of prep.

In my experience, if I keep my test at TRT dosage and pin daily, I can run tren as high as I want without experiencing any real detrimental side effects. If I test is anything reasonable like 500 or 750, even 20 tren daily absolutely rocks me and makes me hate life.

Make of that what you will

 

[Stryker24]

IMO nothing will transform your body like tren. Nothing will give you such bad side or annoying side effects either. Tren cough, excessive (like bad) sweating, especially at night or even putting your head on a pillow, and insomnia, not to mention rough on the liver. I always ran a higher test but never competed. If you use it, use it early as opposed to later on. Had my time with it.

 

[Worldsfastestfatty]

In my opinion tren is best run in low doses to benefit from it's unique characteristics whilst minimising it's negative impacts. 100mg tren E per week suits me perfectly.

 

[madg]

There is no ratios lol

Start test .. find comfortable side effect free dose
Start any anabolic .. find comfortable side effects free dose

Combine said dosages = your ratio

Key to all this is being lean cause being fat amplifies all sides and estrogen conversion

 

[madg]

And why i say this … one guy pm me that he copied one of my blasts and he got fucked and crashed his estro

I said i am outlier and not the norm and he reply that he did it cause he wanted the type of condition i had in said pic

I explained that said condition has norhing to do with my drug choices and comes from no cheating onnmy diet for 8 months and not some unicorn drug combination

In this game we call bodybuilding you need to find what works for you

And why some coaches are great is because they can read your body feed back better than you do and deliver you straight was is working for you

Respect to all

 

[MajinBoo]

I never had a ratio defining how much test or tren I would use. Tren stays on lower side always, around 200mg enanthate if used offseason, titrating based on look and side effects during prep from 150mg to 350mg if "required". Test will be higher in offseason and slightly lower in prep but always the base of the cycle.

 

[TEHL]

From what I’ve noticed, tren really competes with test at the receptor sites (like all other anabolics) and basically forces testosterone to end up in the wrong places.

That said, if I run something like 125–300 mg of test with 700–800 mg of tren and 50–100 mg of Anadrol, I can stay on that setup longer. But honestly, that approach has never built much muscle for me compared to running high test with EQ or Primo, which never gave me a single side effect.

Yeah, obviously high test plus an anabolic won’t be as insane strength-wise as low test with tren and Anadrol, but I honestly think that’s the worst way to build your body.

 

[OldManLogan]

Newb opinion here, but ratios sound only be useful if most people reacted similarly to the same amounts of compounds, generally speaking, right?

So, even assuming a bell curve distribution ( to account for outliers etc)… the individual variance is so crazy it’s almost impossible or meaningless to assign ratios in anything beyond the most rudimentary way, no?

 

[MajinBoo]

From what I’ve noticed, tren really competes with test at the receptor sites (like all other anabolics) and basically forces testosterone to end up in the wrong places.

That said, if I run something like 125–300 mg of test with 700–800 mg of tren and 50–100 mg of Anadrol, I can stay on that setup longer. But honestly, that approach has never built much muscle for me compared to running high test with EQ or Primo, which never gave me a single side effect.

Yeah, obviously high test plus an anabolic won’t be as insane strength-wise as low test with tren and Anadrol, but I honestly think that’s the worst way to build your body.

How did you notice that tren competes with test at the receptor? I dont know how you can notice such thing. Or did you hear a known guru praying that theory? Because I did. I just think that, as other theories he spread before, that's bullshit in practice.
Did you notice instead that 99% of bodybuilders use higher test than tren on their cycle? Aren't they building muscle?

 

[BigKevKris]

I’m aware everyone is different, tolerate drugs differently etc.

I’ve seen a few people say that the ratio of Test:Tren depends on your goals. For example Test equal to or higher than Tren for mass gaining, and Test kept at TRT and Tren high for cutting down bodyfat.

Curious to know what the experiences of people here who have experimented with both. Was one better than the other for muscle gain/recomp/fat loss? It doesn’t make a difference?

Thanks

This is what works for me. You nailed it.

 

[Sectør]

Ratios will very depending on the person as others suggested

I used to run the low test (250-375/week) with 525-700 tren a week when I was younger

But I’ve made more gains off higherish test (750) and 100-200 tren.

Just can’t tolerate tren like I used to when I was younger, even 100-200 throws me for a loop a little bit now.

The best stack is just going to be the one you tolerate the best. Test is king for adding quality wise and mass. While tren the weight movees slower but it turns you to granite

 

[TEHL]

How did you notice that tren competes with test at the receptor? I dont know how you can notice such thing. Or did you hear a known guru praying that theory? Because I did. I just think that, as other theories he spread before, that's bullshit in practice.
Did you notice instead that 99% of bodybuilders use higher test than tren on their cycle? Aren't they building muscle?

Try using something like 250 mg of testosterone and 700 mg of trenbolone versus 700 mg of testosterone and 250 mg of trenbolone.
You won’t feel the same, and you won’t look the same either, so there’s probably a significant interaction between the AAS.
And receptor affinity isn’t a fairy tale—it’s real, and you can find the data online

 

[MajinBoo]

Try using something like 250 mg of testosterone and 700 mg of trenbolone versus 700 mg of testosterone and 250 mg of trenbolone.
You won’t feel the same, and you won’t look the same either, so there’s probably a significant interaction between the AAS.
And receptor affinity isn’t a fairy tale—it’s real, and you can find the data online

That's obvious. Because testosterone and trenbolone are not the same. That is also the reason most use higher test (high trenbolone dosages are not tolerated).

Testosterone is a bioidentical hormone, something we produce naturally at ~70mg a week. Trenbolone was initally developed to promote growth in cattles with a slow releasing dosage of 140mg or 200mg over 60 to 90 days. Yes, what is a "low to mid" weekly dose for us, was used for a growth phase of 2 to 3 months in animals with more than 1000lbs.

The reason you don't look the same and you don't feel the same is because they are completely different AAS. One is, on paper, 5 times more potent than the other.

The point I want to make is that because the high receptor affinity of trenbolone, it does not mean that the testosterone being used is a waste and "basically forces testosterone to end up in the wrong places". Sorry but I don't see that in practice. What do you mean by wrong places? Other receptors? I don't see testosterone causing higher estrogen or dht when used with tren.

Besides that there are all the known side effects of trenbolone at higher dosages. When running 250mg test + 700mg tren vs 700mg test + 250mg trenbolone, your sleep, your bloodwork, your mood, etc will also not be the same.

 

[BigKevKris]

I will note that in my experience anytime I ran Test HIGHER than Tren is also the only time I ran into tell tale Tren Sides.

 

[MajinBoo]

I will note that in my experience anytime I ran Test HIGHER than Tren is also the only time I ran into tell tale Tren Sides.

Interesting. Did you do bloodwork during those cycles. My first thought, which can be totally wrong, is that higher testosterone leads to higher estrogen levels. Since estrogen upregulates progesterone receptors, the progesterone activation from tren will be amplified and therefore you will likely experience prolactin side effects to a higher degree. This creates a hormonal environment where gyno, mood changes and libido issues are more likely to happen. On the dopamine side I am not sure if there is an amplification from a higher testosterone or if it is purely related with the amount of tren being used.

 

[cordoba]

I will note that in my experience anytime I ran Test HIGHER than Tren is also the only time I ran into tell tale Tren Sides

Of course, that would be expected. Test is the king of sides above physiological doses, high conversion to estrogen and DHT. Almost all other AAS were made because they have lower sides and/or greater anabolic activity than Test.

 

[Siggy]

Of course, that would be expected. Test is the king of sides above physiological doses, high conversion to estrogen and DHT. Almost all other AAS were made because they have lower sides and/or greater anabolic activity than Test.

I think that depends on which sides we are talking about. Sure, more test= greater estrogen.

But most of these others will come with a host of sides that are arguably as bad or worse than Test such as increased LDL, reduced HDL, increased incidence of liver tumors, increased hematocrit, increased psychological sides, etc.