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F***ing Hypocrits

I joined a new gym..........short fat power-lifter approaches me. He wants to train together. I trained with him for a few days. He asked if I used steroids.....I said yes. He then proceeds to tell me that if he took riods he'd be fucking huge and ripped. He claimed to never use steroids. A few days pass by and he tells me he's been on HRT for years. I was like...dumbass, test is roids. Flippin amatwats! HRT will be the new standard of care for everyone.
 
I joined a new gym..........short fat power-lifter approaches me. He wants to train together. I trained with him for a few days. He asked if I used steroids.....I said yes. He then proceeds to tell me that if he took riods he'd be fucking huge and ripped. He claimed to never use steroids. A few days pass by and he tells me he's been on HRT for years. I was like...dumbass, test is roids. Flippin amatwats! HRT will be the new standard of care for everyone.

Why would you tell someone after knowing them for a few days that you use steroids ?
 
Why would you tell someone after knowing them for a few days that you use steroids ?

because they like a large majority of people on this board, they want to let everyone know they use steroids then bitch about how everyone "condemns" them for it. some of you guys will cry about anything. why do you even care what anyone else thinks of your usage and to further that why would you even tell them? its just like the same people who bitch about how no one can understand why they eat 6 meals a day or go to the gym all the time. this is a personal endeavor, grow up and stop worrying about what everyone thinks like youre some kind of high school sophomore.
 
because they like a large majority of people on this board, they want to let everyone know they use steroids then bitch about how everyone "condemns" them for it. some of you guys will cry about anything. why do you even care what anyone else thinks of your usage and to further that why would you even tell them? its just like the same people who bitch about how no one can understand why they eat 6 meals a day or go to the gym all the time. this is a personal endeavor, grow up and stop worrying about what everyone thinks like youre some kind of high school sophomore.

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well guys until you are ready to do something about this all you are really doing is sounding like a bunch of complaining bitches.

do you pay taxes? this is YOUR fault

do you go to a dr or have ins? yup, your fault too!

do you work for a company or organization that is improving our world ( really most jobs are totally nonesential and cause mroe harm then good to our society and planet ) so, how do you get your money? probobly your fault too!

nothing in our legal system is about science or logic, its only about how rich people can take advantage of poor people. this is basic western ideology, shit just look at the history ( of basically white people ) all these crazey crackers in europe 600 or so years ago set out to civilize the world, basically everything since then has been a continuation of there disgusting mentality.

what will you do to change this?

if you are sitting pretty in a nice house, shiney car and and enjoying your western lifesyle of waiste and over abundence then yes, it is your fault too.

i guess the question really becomes what are you willing to give up to live as you please? and are you man enough to do it?

are you strong enough to treat others as you would have them treat you?
 
So you are saying that a criminal uses 1000grams per week and a "patient" uses 200mgs per week??

I'm not sure I follow where one is a criminal act compared to the other?

You can drive 25 mph by a school like the speed limit sign says to go, or you could go 125 mph by the school, 5x the posted limit... There is a difference.
 
well guys until you are ready to do something about this all you are really doing is sounding like a bunch of complaining bitches.

do you pay taxes? this is YOUR fault

do you go to a dr or have ins? yup, your fault too!

do you work for a company or organization that is improving our world ( really most jobs are totally nonesential and cause mroe harm then good to our society and planet ) so, how do you get your money? probobly your fault too!

nothing in our legal system is about science or logic, its only about how rich people can take advantage of poor people. this is basic western ideology, shit just look at the history ( of basically white people ) all these crazey crackers in europe 600 or so years ago set out to civilize the world, basically everything since then has been a continuation of there disgusting mentality.

what will you do to change this?

if you are sitting pretty in a nice house, shiney car and and enjoying your western lifesyle of waiste and over abundence then yes, it is your fault too.

i guess the question really becomes what are you willing to give up to live as you please? and are you man enough to do it?

are you strong enough to treat others as you would have them treat you?

Wow. Your playing the "it's your evil materialistic ways card". Get real. The majority of people don't work at factories that kill kittens and puppies. Not all businesses are out to destroy the world. How dare a business make a profit and expand their influence. Again how dare someone that earns his/her money buy a new car because they want updated features and security knowing they can get from point A to B without breaking down. Not to mention enjoying things with their loved ones. Get a grip man. Go post on a left wing board using your all organic WiFi that doesn't hurt the earth.
 
You can drive 25 mph by a school like the speed limit sign says to go, or you could go 125 mph by the school, 5x the posted limit... There is a difference.

With all due respect, we have covered this and we are talking "theoretically"..Please no one else explain what the law states, I think we are very very clear that possession of AAS is a crime on our Statutes...

However I will disagree with your example for the following:
Speeding, is a "crime" because it is a law, and going 125mph in a School Zone as you say carries inherent risk that you are going to seriously hurt or injure or even kill a child or human being. This is a realistic possibility and therefore a reasonable explanation of why you should not speed in a school zone.

Also, speeding is allowed at racetracks and the autobahn and different areas of the World, so it is not the behavior that is per say criminal, but the fact that the law exists to say so, and it is set per road you drive on, therefore having some validity.

If you are using 1gram of Test, while long term you may seriously pose health risks to "Yourself", you are not inherently putting other's at risk, the danger you pose is to yourself and only to yourself.

2 completely different things.

Steroids have no set limit. One Dbol pill is illegal. 1000 bottles of Test are illegal. Other "drugs" even have breakdowns..Under an ounce, more then an ounce, more then a pound...Ever heard of such a steroid law?? No because they don't exist.

And again, in many countries they are legal. They are simply illegal here, because our gov't says so...but that is not good enough. Because like I mentioned before our gov't says alcohol and cigarettes which kills tens of thousands is ok...and those even are directly relative to killing others not just the user via drunk driving accidents and second hand smoke, but they are ok and they are legal here. And again, they said Slavery was ok 100 years ago...So I guess that's ok too if they say it is?

Now lets use yours and the other guy saying 200 patient, 1000 criminal. Let's suppose you are an HRT patient. You have a script, run out and you can't afford the Script anymore, so you buy a $30 dollar UG bottle. You are running 50mgs per week. You are pulled over by the police.

Guess what, you are a "criminal". No matter what you want to argue, this is the reality. So meanwhile you may even have a legit medical need, but you my friend broke the law. So while on the books, "theoretically" this makes no sense. Now if you are a bodybuilder who wants to add 40lbs above your genetic limit, you work day in day out, go to the gym and dont hurt a soul, volunteer at a homeless shelter, but you are shooting 1gram test a week..Guess what you are a "criminal" if you are caught. You aren't hurting anyone, maybe yourself, if that.

Look at it like this, think about the 50's when "reefer" madness depicted MJ in a bad light, Mj could make you go crazy, it would kill you, you will harm other people on it, etc, etc..This is exactly the witch hunt that AAS is in right now..Only it's worse, because imagine being in that period, but then turning on the NBC Nightly News and seeing a commercial for MJ, but they call market it under "low T" and they call it Tetrahydrocannabinol which is short for THC..meanwhile they never mention that it is the same "drug" they have classified criminally, but you can now buy it with a script, no set amount, but they are going to continue to demonize it in at every angle possible.

This is where we are at with AAS.

Worst part about this, is I have had this discussion with several BBer's and athletes who use AAS...A few of them have stated, "yes I believe AAS should be illegal". I asked one guy who said this, how much he was running and he said 2grams EW...but you believe it should be criminalized??

How does this make sense? How about you go turn yourself into the Police then?
 
Wow. Your playing the "it's your evil materialistic ways card". Get real. The majority of people don't work at factories that kill kittens and puppies. Not all businesses are out to destroy the world. How dare a business make a profit and expand their influence. Again how dare someone that earns his/her money buy a new car because they want updated features and security knowing they can get from point A to B without breaking down. Not to mention enjoying things with their loved ones. Get a grip man. Go post on a left wing board using your all organic WiFi that doesn't hurt the earth.

Come on now, lets not forget which wing actually started this war on drugs...
 
I joined a new gym..........short fat power-lifter approaches me. He wants to train together. I trained with him for a few days. He asked if I used steroids.....I said yes. He then proceeds to tell me that if he took riods he'd be fucking huge and ripped. He claimed to never use steroids. A few days pass by and he tells me he's been on HRT for years. I was like...dumbass, test is roids. Flippin amatwats! HRT will be the new standard of care for everyone.

We may go to the same gym LOL. Most likely not, but there is a guy just like that in my gym.
 
With all due respect, we have covered this and we are talking "theoretically"..Please no one else explain what the law states, I think we are very very clear that possession of AAS is a crime on our Statutes...

However I will disagree with your example for the following:
Speeding, is a "crime" because it is a law, and going 125mph in a School Zone as you say carries inherent risk that you are going to seriously hurt or injure or even kill a child or human being. This is a realistic possibility and therefore a reasonable explanation of why you should not speed in a school zone.

Also, speeding is allowed at racetracks and the autobahn and different areas of the World, so it is not the behavior that is per say criminal, but the fact that the law exists to say so, and it is set per road you drive on, therefore having some validity.

If you are using 1gram of Test, while long term you may seriously pose health risks to "Yourself", you are not inherently putting other's at risk, the danger you pose is to yourself and only to yourself.

2 completely different things.

Steroids have no set limit. One Dbol pill is illegal. 1000 bottles of Test are illegal. Other "drugs" even have breakdowns..Under an ounce, more then an ounce, more then a pound...Ever heard of such a steroid law?? No because they don't exist.

And again, in many countries they are legal. They are simply illegal here, because our gov't says so...but that is not good enough. Because like I mentioned before our gov't says alcohol and cigarettes which kills tens of thousands is ok...and those even are directly relative to killing others not just the user via drunk driving accidents and second hand smoke, but they are ok and they are legal here. And again, they said Slavery was ok 100 years ago...So I guess that's ok too if they say it is?

Now lets use yours and the other guy saying 200 patient, 1000 criminal. Let's suppose you are an HRT patient. You have a script, run out and you can't afford the Script anymore, so you buy a $30 dollar UG bottle. You are running 50mgs per week. You are pulled over by the police.

Guess what, you are a "criminal". No matter what you want to argue, this is the reality. So meanwhile you may even have a legit medical need, but you my friend broke the law. So while on the books, "theoretically" this makes no sense. Now if you are a bodybuilder who wants to add 40lbs above your genetic limit, you work day in day out, go to the gym and dont hurt a soul, volunteer at a homeless shelter, but you are shooting 1gram test a week..Guess what you are a "criminal" if you are caught. You aren't hurting anyone, maybe yourself, if that.

Look at it like this, think about the 50's when "reefer" madness depicted MJ in a bad light, Mj could make you go crazy, it would kill you, you will harm other people on it, etc, etc..This is exactly the witch hunt that AAS is in right now..Only it's worse, because imagine being in that period, but then turning on the NBC Nightly News and seeing a commercial for MJ, but they call market it under "low T" and they call it Tetrahydrocannabinol which is short for THC..meanwhile they never mention that it is the same "drug" they have classified criminally, but you can now buy it with a script, no set amount, but they are going to continue to demonize it in at every angle possible.

This is where we are at with AAS.

Worst part about this, is I have had this discussion with several BBer's and athletes who use AAS...A few of them have stated, "yes I believe AAS should be illegal". I asked one guy who said this, how much he was running and he said 2grams EW...but you believe it should be criminalized??

How does this make sense? How about you go turn yourself into the Police then?

I completely agree. The only thing with the police is it is ok for them to do something illegal ( by law i mean) but they will bust your ass!!
 
Come on now, lets not forget which wing actually started this war on drugs...

Yes Rock, it's the wing called DC. It has nothing to do with Dem or Rep, it all comes down to control, and each side wants it and they do work together to ensure the gvt has it completely! This is what the gvt is good at doing (probably the ONLY thing), pitting Americans against each other. Racism, Sexism and Classism have all been introduced by the gvt as "destroying our country", yet they are the ones propagating it!!! They keep the thought of racism alive (after all, we can't have blacks, whites, hispanic, asian etc getting along now), sexism is rampant according to them (get females angry at men for being "oppressed" and not equal) and classism is the newest thing (pit the people who have jobs and own business' against those who don't and vice versa). It's classic divide and conquer and has been going on for the last century. If people would quit this petty "I'm a rep or dem" to the side and see who the REAL problem is, EVERY PERSON IN DC, then and only then could we move forward. Until then, just sit back, relax, and watch the country crumble lol. Just be ready for when it happens
 
Come on now, lets not forget which wing actually started this war on drugs...

I am not sure I follow you. Are you saying big business started the war on drugs ? That's what I was referring to when addressing LK. Big business is not inherently bad. Matter of fact I know way more small businesses that treat their employees like complete shit. The more money we gain the more we try to expand our influence whether it's a new car, clothes, house, etc. and sometimes we use it for our own personnel enrichment such as school, kids, retirement.

As far as the hypocritical society we live in about steroids here is my take. Guys like Arnold, ferrigno, Reg Park, and a few others that skip my mind right now were very good embassadors for juice. They were able to use their charisma and attitude to try to break the unknown and misunderstood bodybuilding culture. Unfortunately the majority of professional users were more concerned with getting bigger and freakier. That's why as time progressed you could see guys packing on more weight and on shorter frames. It's not to say they were not good people but terrible ambassadors for the culture. So when John Q public runs into the local juice monkey at the gym the stereotype is purveyed over and over. In the mid to late 90's when I was really into the bodybuilding culture I could name the top 15 olympia competitiors and I looked forward to seeing the placings. I couldn't even name 5 top bodybuilders right now because I have just lost interest in that sect of the sport.

We are in an age where "steroids" are just being found out about for the general public in the form of HRT. There is not enough education on what it is just yet. It's a huge setback everytime a professional athlete pops positive because the stereotype is again said. There are a number of steroid medications out there (cortisone, birth control, certain inhalers, etc.) that the public at large uses every single day but they don't know the difference. It's going to have to take a long time to educate people about what a steroid really is and the benefits/drawbacks of them. The more guys that go on HRT the better. At the minimum it brings more awareness and more education.

The goverments role in this is going to be the uphill battle. I doubt things will be like they were pre 1980's when it was fairly easy to go get a script for most of whatever you wanted and everything was pharmacuetical grade. The government does little in the name of public health or public good. They are the type that will demonize drugs as recreational use with no theraputic value yet go home that night and pop viagra or cialis to bang their wife/mistress. That is how they will most likely always be. If they thought they could make a ton of money taxing it they would just like weed. I don't know the inner workings but it may be more profitable for them to keep busting people and then a lot of the money allocated for LE and drug enforcement would have to find a new place. Like it r not sometimes the government likes to waste money. I have been at a company before where they flat out told us we need you guys to spend money so we can go to the commission ask for more and show we have been spending it. The movie from years ago called falling down with Michael Douglas is accurate to a point where he accuses the guys of doing nonsense roadwork because if they don't spend their budget they will not get the same next year.
 
Yes Rock, it's the wing called DC. It has nothing to do with Dem or Rep, it all comes down to control, and each side wants it and they do work together to ensure the gvt has it completely! This is what the gvt is good at doing (probably the ONLY thing), pitting Americans against each other. Racism, Sexism and Classism have all been introduced by the gvt as "destroying our country", yet they are the ones propagating it!!! They keep the thought of racism alive (after all, we can't have blacks, whites, hispanic, asian etc getting along now), sexism is rampant according to them (get females angry at men for being "oppressed" and not equal) and classism is the newest thing (pit the people who have jobs and own business' against those who don't and vice versa). It's classic divide and conquer and has been going on for the last century. If people would quit this petty "I'm a rep or dem" to the side and see who the REAL problem is, EVERY PERSON IN DC, then and only then could we move forward. Until then, just sit back, relax, and watch the country crumble lol. Just be ready for when it happens

While I'm not disputing what you wrote, the history is researchable, Nixon and Kaiser Permanente, Reagan and his "War on Drugs" both helped allow for Big Pharma and Major Medical to infiltrate DC and make it what it is today...today they are spending hundreds of millions lobbying to make sure the competition doesn't succeed. Not to say that if those doors weren't opened they wouldn't have been able to but they damn sure made it a whole lot easier!!
 
With all due respect, we have covered this and we are talking "theoretically"..Please no one else explain what the law states, I think we are very very clear that possession of AAS is a crime on our Statutes...

However I will disagree with your example for the following:
Speeding, is a "crime" because it is a law, and going 125mph in a School Zone as you say carries inherent risk that you are going to seriously hurt or injure or even kill a child or human being. This is a realistic possibility and therefore a reasonable explanation of why you should not speed in a school zone.

Also, speeding is allowed at racetracks and the autobahn and different areas of the World, so it is not the behavior that is per say criminal, but the fact that the law exists to say so, and it is set per road you drive on, therefore having some validity.

If you are using 1gram of Test, while long term you may seriously pose health risks to "Yourself", you are not inherently putting other's at risk, the danger you pose is to yourself and only to yourself.

2 completely different things.

Steroids have no set limit. One Dbol pill is illegal. 1000 bottles of Test are illegal. Other "drugs" even have breakdowns..Under an ounce, more then an ounce, more then a pound...Ever heard of such a steroid law?? No because they don't exist.

And again, in many countries they are legal. They are simply illegal here, because our gov't says so...but that is not good enough. Because like I mentioned before our gov't says alcohol and cigarettes which kills tens of thousands is ok...and those even are directly relative to killing others not just the user via drunk driving accidents and second hand smoke, but they are ok and they are legal here. And again, they said Slavery was ok 100 years ago...So I guess that's ok too if they say it is?

Now lets use yours and the other guy saying 200 patient, 1000 criminal. Let's suppose you are an HRT patient. You have a script, run out and you can't afford the Script anymore, so you buy a $30 dollar UG bottle. You are running 50mgs per week. You are pulled over by the police.

Guess what, you are a "criminal". No matter what you want to argue, this is the reality. So meanwhile you may even have a legit medical need, but you my friend broke the law. So while on the books, "theoretically" this makes no sense. Now if you are a bodybuilder who wants to add 40lbs above your genetic limit, you work day in day out, go to the gym and dont hurt a soul, volunteer at a homeless shelter, but you are shooting 1gram test a week..Guess what you are a "criminal" if you are caught. You aren't hurting anyone, maybe yourself, if that.

Look at it like this, think about the 50's when "reefer" madness depicted MJ in a bad light, Mj could make you go crazy, it would kill you, you will harm other people on it, etc, etc..This is exactly the witch hunt that AAS is in right now..Only it's worse, because imagine being in that period, but then turning on the NBC Nightly News and seeing a commercial for MJ, but they call market it under "low T" and they call it Tetrahydrocannabinol which is short for THC..meanwhile they never mention that it is the same "drug" they have classified criminally, but you can now buy it with a script, no set amount, but they are going to continue to demonize it in at every angle possible.

This is where we are at with AAS.

Worst part about this, is I have had this discussion with several BBer's and athletes who use AAS...A few of them have stated, "yes I believe AAS should be illegal". I asked one guy who said this, how much he was running and he said 2grams EW...but you believe it should be criminalized??

How does this make sense? How about you go turn yourself into the Police then?

Do you really believe that? What about the guys here who have families that depend on them? Would they not be hurt if they were arrested or developed health problems? What about the guys on this very board who already have developed health problems? Chris250, Maldorf, Plang, BigBapper, and several others I'm forgetting.

As I stated previously, I don't think AAS should be illegal, but they are. So you have a few choices.

1. Abide by the rules whether you agree with them or not
2. Break the rules and accept the potential consequences
3. Do something about it
4. GTFO

I'm not vilifying AAS, but the fact of the matter is they do present deleterious health effects. Even at medically administered HRT doses, they monitor for increased BP, hematocrit/hemoglobin, prostate issues/PSA, etc. If you think they should be legal that's one thing, but romanticizing them and downplaying the risk associated with their use is irresponsible.

Besides, they are not illegal because they are dangerous. As has already been pointed out, they are illegal because black market drugs cannot be taxed. It's about money, nothing else.
 

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