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Fatty liver?

I would not as a direct cause, in the case of orals I would look for liver damage in the form of cirrhosis or acute hepatitis. Generally when I think fatty liver I think diet , clinically one would look to drugs like metformin or pioglitizone for reducing liver fat for their effect on cellular metabolism.

And DNP :D

Agreed. Certain drugs can bring to surface latent NASH-NAFLD. Such as nolvadex or corticosteroids.
 
And DNP :D

Agreed. Certain drugs can bring to surface latent NASH-NAFLD. Such as nolvadex or corticosteroids.

hahahah DNP that would work a little better then the ones i mentioned :D
 
I got jaundice a while ago....

I used Tudca and it went away.

Avoid junk food, and alcohol
no sleepingmeds
drink lots of water and green tea
eat a lot of carrots
cardio

Orals were not the cause, it was a very unhealthy diet and to much tren (IMO) with to much SEO.
I use anadrol now and don't have any issues thank god.
Water is your best livercleaner. I drink it constantly

Try drinking lemon water first thing in the morning, just squeeze the juice out of a lemon and add it too 8 ounces of water,
Benefits of drinking lemon water | Detox & Body Cleanse
 
Orals can cause hepatacellular disease of the liver which can look like fatty infiltration on some modalities ( ultrasound) although when fat sensitive sequences are done on say MRI it wouldnt be fat.

Stewie and other already mentioned all the various causes so I dont have much to add there other then saying it can be quite serious if present for long periods of time.


I am not recommending random screening, im recommending being healthy, not being a fat ass, keeping insulin use within reason, dont drink too much etc but if you get any imaging and they mention hepatic steatosis then consider that a warning and dont just blow it off.
 
Fatty Liver: Causes, Symptoms & Diagnosis


Says steroids and tamox can cause fatty liver

The term steroid represents a subclass of lipid hormones. Not specific to anabolic steroids. Sex hormones progesterone, estrogens and androgens are a subclass of steroids. As are vitamin D, allopregnanolone, oxysteroids and corticosteroids and many more.

As aforementioned by asteelz, gotgame and myself. Some steroids may act to worsen an underlying NALFD, rather than causing the condition de novo (a new). Not as a direct cause. That would be the same as Nolvadex, as it possess the potential to be hepatotoxic in larger doses.
 
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Something Interesting I Found, although says not every steroid user will get NAFLD

The term steroid represents a subclass of lipid hormones. Not specific to anabolic steroids. Sex hormones progesterone, estrogens and androgens are a subclass of steroids. As are vitamin D, allopregnanolone, oxysteroids and corticosteroids and many more.

As aforementioned by asteelz, gotgame and myself. Some steroids may act to worsen an underlying NALFD, rather than causing the condition de novo (a new). Not as a direct cause. That would be the same as Nolvadex, as it possess the potential to be hepatotoxic in larger doses.

"The question isn’t out of line, particularly as oral steroids are toxic to the liver when used in large amounts for extended periods of time. A new study examined whether anabolic steroids are indeed linked to NALFD.1 The subjects consisted of 180 noncompetitive bodybuilders, 95 of whom had at some point used steroids for more than two years. The other 85 subjects, who hadn’t used steroids, were the controls. Most in the steroid group had used the drugs for periods ranging from two to 10 years, with an average of four years. The doses varied from 200 to 5,200 milligrams, with an average weekly dose of 1,200 milligrams. The main injectables used were nandrolone, boldenone, methenolone and stanozolol. Orals included Dianabol, Anadrol and Anavar.

The results? 12.6 percent of the steroid users met the diagnostic criteria for NAFLD compared to 2.4 percent of the nonsteroid users. One liver enzyme was elevated four times higher in the steroid group than in the controls, and the steroid users also had less high-density-lipoprotein cholesterol, or HDL, which is protective against cardiovascular disease and is lowered with oral steroid use. Twelve of the steroid users had enlarged livers with an infiltration of excess fat.

The most interesting aspect of the study was that none of the bodybuilders had excess bodyfat, the primary risk factor for NAFLD. One guy did, however, have full-blown diabetes—although it wasn’t clear whether he was in the steroid group. Another interesting finding was that both groups had increased blood lipid numbers, and they were slightly higher in the steroid group. Indeed, among the steroid users, 89 percent had low HDL compared to 67 percent in the nonsteroid group. So some of the steroid users had clear cases of NAFLD, despite showing none of the usual risk factors for it, like obesity and insulin resistance. Then how did they get it?"



A Different Steroid-Related Liver Problem | Iron Man Magazine

1 Adriana Schwingel, P., et al. (2011). Anabolic-androgenic steroids: a possible new risk factor of toxicant-associated fatty liver disease. Liver Int. 31(3):358-353.
 
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food for thought. Just because your muscle tissue can metabolize the 5-700 grams of carbs your eating per day does not mean your liver can. Fructose is liver metab only , glut 5 and 8. De novo lipogenisis is a result of over consumption. You can be lean with liver fat. There's a medical term for it called tofi.

Hypotheical Example , 500g glucose and 100g fructose daily for carb total. Glycogen replete so fructose occupy lipogenic pathway. Muscle maxed with glycogen , yet hormone sensitive nutrient partitioning occurs and barely any is stored as fat or even makes it to the liver. The fructose goes straight to the liver, which is already stressed, lipogenic enzymes activate at the level of the liver. Dnl occur, liver fat stored. The body is never glycogen deplete to the point where the liver has to utilize these stores , they build up over time. Alanine amino transferase enYme rises, appears to be nafld on blood test.
 
I have fatty liver. My liver values were out of line and my doc had me get the ultrasound.
I likened it to my over consumption of soda... with the whole fructose metabolism thing ya know?
 
I have fatty liver. My liver values were out of line and my doc had me get the ultrasound.
I likened it to my over consumption of soda... with the whole fructose metabolism thing ya know?

Did you get rid of it? And how?
 
I think you could use some effective liver products such as Synthergine, Liver52, NAC and so on. And ordinarily, you should limite or avoid alcoholic beverages.
 
Did you get rid of it? And how?
I haven't had my labs checked again. I've been losing weight and doing cardio and avoiding sugar as much as possible.
 
Tri terror , something simple you can add to help is vitamin E. One of the worlds leading endocrine specialists has found great results with this in his clinic
 
And DNP :D

Agreed. Certain drugs can bring to surface latent NASH-NAFLD. Such as nolvadex or corticosteroids.

Hey buddy - can you elaborate on this?

If i read this right, DNP actually helps the liver?

Cheers
 

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