favorite hardness/vascularity drug

[Fitraver]

What is"correctly"? Just wondering if it's anything out of the ordinary

lol I asked too

 

[xman280]

what about winstrol

That thing was part of the preferred drug for hardness and look in the 90's and early 2000s......really surprise none of you mentioned it......i personally havent had much positive experience with it - fake pills, and the old mexican vet shit that was making me sick as dog

 

[tenny]

What is"correctly"? Just wondering if it's anything out of the ordinary

it should be cycled similar to clen......

anything over 2 weeks to me is killing your progress.

 

[Fitraver]

it should be cycled similar to clen......



anything over 2 weeks to me is killing your progress.

Good to know. Never ran it yet.

 

[tenny]

Good to know. Never ran it yet.

youll see after 2 weeks.....youll be ready to stop it anyway...

drol is love hate.....like tren IMO.

 

[heavyhitter]

youll see after 2 weeks.....youll be ready to stop it anyway...

drol is love hate.....like tren IMO.

I definitely see what you're saying here. I'm like that with all orals really. About 1.5 to 2 weeks in I feel like shit. Lethargic, no appetite...just overall feeling of blah!

 

[xman280]

youll see after 2 weeks.....youll be ready to stop it anyway...

drol is love hate.....like tren IMO.

I felt pretty good on the Brit Dispensary anadrol , used it fro 3-4 months but of course only at a 100mg/ED, while dieting - good vascularity , abut also used the Tukish version - most likely fake - all nasty sides and no positive effects whatsoever.....even tied by itself for 2 weeks - nothing , just lik eu re off the juice, same with some mexican ug garbage 13 years ago , sick as a dog and no effect at all

 

[nothuman]

youll see after 2 weeks.....youll be ready to stop it anyway...

drol is love hate.....like tren IMO.

Is two weeks long enough for your body to really add muscle tissue?

 

[Elvia1023]

Is two weeks long enough for your body to really add muscle tissue?

They run it for long periods in clinical studies (as you know) with surprisingly few health problems. However, anyone who has used good adrol will get what Tenny stated and on about the 2 week mark you started feeling crap (well most do). If bulking 2 weeks of adrol will bring up your weight and strength so even going off you will still be at an advantage for building muscle afterwards then if you hadn't used it at all. Although I like to recommend trying things like 3 weeks on/off/on or perhaps 2 on/off/on etc. That way you minimize the side effects, give your liver etc a break and can stay on for the time needed to build a decent amount of muscle.

Regarding the best drugs for vascularity and hardness well I just started 50mg winny, 20mg avar and 25mg proviron and within 3 days my vascularity has increased a lot.

Hardness... proviron, tren, masteron, winny, letrozole etc.
Vascularity... cialis, avar, adrol, eq, tren etc.

I think the drug that really shines is cialis and take 10mg and within 2 hours your look has changed as long as you are lean and relatively vascular to begin with. Add in some lr3 and of course hormones like tren and mast and you have the best of both worlds.

 

[tenny]

Is two weeks long enough for your body to really add muscle tissue?

tissue isn't added by the drug.....

it allows you to train harder and heavier, assimilate more nutrients...
allowing faster recovery during that time.....

after several weeks....I feel this window is no longer there....

the body "adapts" to orals very quickly....the body knows no difference
between IT and POISON...

I would run it 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off....any androgenic oral for that
matter.....

 

[heavyhitter]

I felt pretty good on the Brit Dispensary anadrol , used it fro 3-4 months but of course only at a 100mg/ED, while dieting - good vascularity , abut also used the Tukish version - most likely fake - all nasty sides and no positive effects whatsoever.....even tied by itself for 2 weeks - nothing , just lik eu re off the juice, same with some mexican ug garbage 13 years ago , sick as a dog and no effect at all

Only 100mg's??? Lol. Peoples idea of oral dosages these days is crazy

 

[devenidas]

tissue isn't added by the drug.....

it allows you to train harder and heavier, assimilate more nutrients...
allowing faster recovery during that time.....

after several weeks....I feel this window is no longer there....

the body "adapts" to orals very quickly....the body knows no difference
between IT and POISON...

I would run it 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off....any androgenic oral for that
matter.....

Tenny mate what are your thoughts of little oral pre workout only on training days so for me that would be lets say an example..

anadrol 50 mg scattered over 4 days before training in 7.


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[nothuman]

tissue isn't added by the drug.....

it allows you to train harder and heavier, assimilate more nutrients...
allowing faster recovery during that time.....

after several weeks....I feel this window is no longer there....

the body "adapts" to orals very quickly....the body knows no difference
between IT and POISON...

I would run it 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off....any androgenic oral for that
matter.....

Interesting. Only time I ran anadrol, I got great results and looked big on it but only lasted 2 1/2 weeks at 100mg. Felt like shit lol.

 

[warriorman15]

Mast P for sure


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[tenny]

Tenny mate what are your thoughts of little oral pre workout only on training days so for me that would be lets say an example..

anadrol 50 mg scattered over 4 days before training in 7.


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love the idea...

even the placebo effect can be a positive thing....

I think ideal thing would be to take a few hours before.....
right at peak....

 

[devenidas]

love the idea...

even the placebo effect can be a positive thing....

I think ideal thing would be to take a few hours before.....
right at peak....

I take it like that mate.. i take it an hour or 1.5 hour before with my pre sometimes 45 min before.. I defo feel the strength and pump effect...

Hopefully saving liver stress this way.

I do not like the thought of "hey bro you need to split the oral during the day to maintain a peak blood levels" . I mean why the fuck when we have tren, deca, test, eq, short esters longer esters being flooded in the bloodstream doing their job why stress the liver like multiple times a day messing appetite.

I don't compete so why bother its not i need them in pre contest must phase for loading etc . Injectables do plenty fine.

Why gangbang hepatic portal system. There is no sandow or sponsorship on the line here. not in this life time atleast lol

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[xman280]

Only 100mg's??? Lol. Peoples idea of oral dosages these days is crazy

what were u taking? mine idea is not from "these days"...i started in the late 90's, I grew up in Eatern europe an the only info we had was from Kris Clark's books, and from local powerliftes.....at that time , a short cycle would be 3-6 anadrol 50 a day, a long term use - 2-3 tabs, a short cycle of dbal d been 150mg ed at first down to 50 last 2 weeks of the 6 days cycle, maintaining dose for a long term cycle 50-75 mg a day. That s the way i do with orals, unless lets say i start feeling something wrong , which has happened on a cpl of occasions....
We could and you still can go in a pharmacy and buy any type of human grade gear 30 day supply for the price of 1 lbs box of soy protein, it was retarded.

 

[Elvia1023]

what were u taking? mine idea is not from "these days"...i started in the late 90's, I grew up in Eatern europe an the only info we had was from Kris Clark's books, and from local powerliftes.....at that time , a short cycle would be 3-6 anadrol 50 a day, a long term use - 2-3 tabs, a short cycle of dbal d been 150mg ed at first down to 50 last 2 weeks of the 6 days cycle, maintaining dose for a long term cycle 50-75 mg a day. That s the way i do with orals, unless lets say i start feeling something wrong , which has happened on a cpl of occasions....
We could and you still can go in a pharmacy and buy any type of human grade gear 30 day supply for the price of 1 lbs box of soy protein, it was retarded.

Yeah over here 100mg is a standard dose. It comes in 50mg tabs so many use quite a few. I personally stick to 100mg per day of good adrol as a max. But many I know would use at least 4 tabs per day. Your summation of short and long cycles is exactly what I have seen. Many would even use higher doses for longer periods too. 100mg adrol is not a high dose regardless what people use themselves. Even in clinical studies massive doses are used and side effects are definitely noted (liver, rbc's etc) but nothing majorly bad. Obviously I am not stating use loads of adrol as that's nonsense but it is what it is. To me if you are a beginner use 50mg and if your not then 50-150mg is more than enough but many use more.

 

[xman280]

Yeah over here 100mg is a standard dose. It comes in 50mg tabs so many use quite a few. I personally stick to 100mg per day of good adrol as a max. But many I know would use at least 4 tabs per day. Your summation of short and long cycles is exactly what I have seen. Many would even use higher doses for longer periods too. 100mg adrol is not a high dose regardless what people use themselves. Even in clinical studies massive doses are used and side effects are definitely noted (liver, rbc's etc) but nothing majorly bad. Obviously I am not stating use loads of adrol as that's nonsense but it is what it is. To me if you are a beginner use 50mg and if your not then 50-150mg is more than enough but many use more.

DD - the World IFFB heavyweight champ from years ago I know was on on 300 mg of drolls, plus 400mg of var ED 6 months precontest on top of all the rest injectables, and i have never seen this guy over 8-10%bf for the past 10 years , even now when he is retired....and he is 40+ and still looking badass....not saying it safe, but liver recovers, kidneys dont - meaning tren comparison to orals....

 

[xman280]

Yes 1200+minimum(used alone or as a base)...that high legit EQ is a rapid composition changer

I am taking ur advice ...seems legit, plus masteron , and stanozol, on top of test and dbal....tren is just messing too much with my kidneys - creatinine and stuff