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Re: wolverine

rAJJIN said:
As long as you stay around the 220-250 range, no damage should be done to the solution, as youa re not "melting" the hormone, you are heating the oil making it more soluable, allowing it to absorb the hormone.

xcel:
This is what Animal said also.

Intresting? I had no idea warm oil was more soluable
then room temp oil? Im deffinatley no chemist so probably why this makes no sense to me.

xcel:
There are somethings that I convert where I have to heat the final solution for quite some time before it all goes into solution. You've never experienced this?
 
yes

Ive deffinatley had to heat the solution to get some "hormones"
to mix. But not once the oil has been added or to the finished product unless something went wrong.

If it is falling out of the oil after finished... then something is wrong. imo
 
Re: yes

rAJJIN said:
Ive deffinatley had to heat the solution to get some "hormones"
to mix. But not once the oil has been added or to the finished product unless something went wrong.

If it is falling out of the oil after finished... then something is wrong. imo

SUSPENSION IS NOT A SOLUTION, IT IS A SUSPENSION OF TEST. So it should not go together with oil. I know guys are selling suspension in oil but I would think twice before buying it becaues to my knowledge it is impossible and the people are saying that it is not are probably not really using suspension.
 
If its in water its a suspension..
which means yes the crystals are sitting on the bottom
and you have to ~shake~ it before use. (not heat it)

If its in oil, it should NOT crash out like your thinking.
 
The term SUSPENSION is probably more misused as it relates to test

Like rAJJIN said when test crystals or stanozolol crytals are place in water it's called a "SUSPENSION." When we mix gear by dissolving it then then dissolving it again into oil or PEG or even water (KC Has water kits), the gear is "suspended" in a solution.

How often have you seen an underground TNE product that's suspended in oil and they sell it as SUSPENSION - HAHAHA, NO it's not!!!

It's just a play with words. How many people call stanozolol Winstrol or Winny?!?! Is it really the proprietary product - I THINK NOT. Same with anastrozole and Arimidex - real Arimidex tabs are VERY expensive.

We use all these terms VERY LOOSLY and most people know what you're talking about :)

xcel
 
For the soluability question, let's use this scenario.

Say you have two glasses of tea. One is cold and one is a warm tea. Let's stir in 3 tablespoons of sugar into each one and see which one the sugar absorbs into first. It will be the warm tea, because the molecules are moving faster allowing it to have a higher level of soluability.

It's pretty simple really if you think about it.

When you say if it crashes then something must be wrong, there is some truth to this. What's wrong is the test molecule without an ester has a lower soluability level because of the size of the molecule. When you attach an ester, it means you have less hormone. The longer the ester, the smaller the hormone increasing it's ability to be absorbed and stay in solution at lower temps and lower solvent levels. When you keep enanthate powder at room temp, it's almost a liquid because of the long ester. When dealing with TNE (test no ester) you have a large molecule so you either have to put less hormone, or more solvent to make the oil have a higher level of soluability. Problem is when you get to the point of adding too much solvent, then it becomes painfull, causes swelling and possible flu like symptoms and tissue damage (necrosis).

Bottom line is yes, warm oil will absorb hormones at a much higher rate than room temp oil. Keeping it in solution once it cools back down is another thing though, based on the levels of solvents and amounts of hormone per cc.
 
wolverine said:
For the soluability question, let's use this scenario.

Say you have two glasses of tea. One is cold and one is a warm tea. Let's stir in 3 tablespoons of sugar into each one and see which one the sugar absorbs into first. It will be the warm tea, because the molecules are moving faster allowing it to have a higher level of soluability.

It's pretty simple really if you think about it.

When you say if it crashes then something must be wrong, there is some truth to this. What's wrong is the test molecule without an ester has a lower soluability level because of the size of the molecule. When you attach an ester, it means you have less hormone. The longer the ester, the smaller the hormone increasing it's ability to be absorbed and stay in solution at lower temps and lower solvent levels. When you keep enanthate powder at room temp, it's almost a liquid because of the long ester. When dealing with TNE (test no ester) you have a large molecule so you either have to put less hormone, or more solvent to make the oil have a higher level of soluability. Problem is when you get to the point of adding too much solvent, then it becomes painfull, causes swelling and possible flu like symptoms and tissue damage (necrosis).

Bottom line is yes, warm oil will absorb hormones at a much higher rate than room temp oil. Keeping it in solution once it cools back down is another thing though, based on the levels of solvents and amounts of hormone per cc.

damn, great post
 
I agree

Good info wolverine.
and yes that Test E is some nasty stuff.
thanks for your input.
 
For the homebrew guys:
Melting points for testing legitimacy of powdered steroids.

Boldenone (Equipoise Base drug)- 1,4-ANDROSTADIEN-17B-OL-3-ONE
melting point= 332-341 F

BOLDENONE UNDECLYNATE (Equipoise)- 1,4-ANDROSTADIEN-17B-OL-3-ONE-UNDECYLENATE
melting point=?

CLOMIFENE CITRATE (Clomid) 2-(p- (2-chloro-1,2-diphenylvinylphenoxy triethylamine citrate )(1:1)
melting point= 241.7 F

DROSTANOLONE (Masteron)- 5a-ANDROSTAN-2a-METHYL-17b-OL-3-ONE
(SAME AS DROMOSTANOLONE)
melting point= 300-307 F

LETROZOLE (Femara)-4,4'-(1H-1,2,4 -Triazol-1-ylmethylene) dibenzonitrile
melting point= 364 F

MESTEROLONE (proviron)- 5a-ANDROSTAN-1a-METHYL-17b-OL-3-ONE
melting point=

METHANDIONONE (D-Bol)- 1,4-ANDROSTADIEN-17a-METHYL-17B-OL-3-ONE
(SAME AS METHYLANDROSTENOLONE)
melting point= 324-327 F

METHENOLONE (primobolan)- 1,5a-ANDROSTEN-1-METHYL-17b-OL-3-ONE
melting point= 327- 329 F

METHYL TESTOSTERONE
melting point= 324-330 F

NANDROLONE- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE
melting point= 252-257 F

NANDROLONE ACETATE- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-ACETATE
melting point= 193-199 F

NANDROLONE DECANOATE (deca)- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-DECANOATE
melting point= 86-95 F

NANDROLONE PHENYLPROPIONATE (Durabolin)- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-PHENYLPROPIONATE
melting point= 198-204 F

NANDROLONE PROPIONATE- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-PROPIONATE
melting point= 135 F

OXANDROLONE (Anavar)-
melting point= 455-460 F

OXYMETHOLONE (Anadrol)- 5a-ANDROSTAN-17a-METHYL-17b-OL-2-
HYDROXYMETHYLENE-3-ONE
melting point= 350-355 F

STANOZOLOL (winstrol)- 5a-ANDROSTAN-17a-METHYL-17b-OL-3,
2c-PYRAZOLE
melting point prisms= 455 F

TAMOXIFEN CITRATE (nolvadex)- 2-[4-1,2-Diphenyl-1-Butenyl)
melting point= 290-295 F

TESTOSTERONE BASE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE
melting point= 310 F

TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-CYCLOPENTYLPROPIONATE
(SAME AS TESTOSTERONE CYCLOPENTYLPROPIONATE)
melting point= 209-215 F

TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-ENANTHATE
(SAME AS TESTOSTERONE HEPTANOATE)
melting point= 90-96 F

TESTOSTERONE PHENYLPROPIONATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 3-PHENYLPROPIONATE
melting point= 240 F

TESTOSTERONE PROPIONATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-PROPIONATE
melting point= 247-252 F

TRENBOLONE ACETATE (fina, tren)-
melting point= 200-205 F

TRENBOLONE ENANTHATE-
melting point= 162-170 F


not 100 percent sure if this helps i pulled this off another board if its correct thank me if its not correct thank Xformula :) hehe
 

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