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5000 IUs 3x/week , thats overstimulating pure!
Thats way too much HCG and unecessary Clomid, I'm on TRT, Clomid brings nothing than side effects!
I ran 3 months now:
200 TEST C WEEK
500 HCG EOD
75 HMG EOD
50 PROVIRON ED
0.5 ARI WEEK
NOW(Since a week):
100 TEST C WEEK
500 HCG EOD
75 HMG ED
50 PROVIRON ED
0.5 ARI WEEK
Low FSH (it doesn't rise even with HMG) , low SHBG (16.4) , low sperm count, very high E2 (107!!)
The whole protocol isn't working, endo docs have no clue, no idea whats going wrong, our dream of having a child is already shattering.
I will do the protocol till end of february, if I've the same values in 3 weeks again I stop and start a geavy blast , 2022 I go back to stage.
I know 3 months is not long but NOTHING happens and values are worse than before!!
I hope @Sides and @bad rad can help me through DM, I'm lost!
I ran 3 months now:
200 TEST C WEEK
500 HCG EOD
75 HMG EOD
50 PROVIRON ED
0.5 ARI WEEK
NOW(Since a week):
100 TEST C WEEK
500 HCG EOD
75 HMG ED
50 PROVIRON ED
0.5 ARI WEEK
Low FSH (it doesn't rise even with HMG) , low SHBG (16.4) , low sperm count, very high E2 (107!!)
The whole protocol isn't working, endo docs have no clue, no idea whats going wrong, our dream of having a child is already shattering.
I will do the protocol till end of february, if I've the same values in 3 weeks again I stop and start a geavy blast , 2022 I go back to stage.
I know 3 months is not long but NOTHING happens and values are worse than before!!
I hope @Sides and @bad rad can help me through DM, I'm lost!
Yes and I use pharma grade, already bought HMG for £4.200 !!I would up the dose for HCG for some time to see if it will help you like 1000 or 1500 3 times a week
I just got a seaman test because my girlfriend can't get pregnant
depens on what the test says i will go on a HCG cycle, HMG is so expensice even with ug is cost a lot money.
I will start with HCG and some nolva
I have Been off everthing for 1 year now.Yes and I use pharma grade, already bought HMG for £4.200 !!
@Sec-Training
TRT100/WK + HCG 1000X3 + 20 TAMOX ED ?
last cycle was 1,5 years from 1,5 grams to 250mg pr week after 1 year with no pct, my sperm count was normal and i am 41 years oldI have Been off everthing for 1 year now.
Yeah i would start at a hugger dose for the first 3 Weeks 1-3 3x2500iu a week
Week 4-10 3x1000 a week this can chance.
Yeah 20mg nolva dont know for how Long yet
Hi guys, I'm 36 (soon 37) yrs old, 177cm tall and my actual weight is bout 119kgs, low bf, I think 10-12%.
Whatever, I have a beautiful 5 year old daughter and months ago my wife and Idecided that we want a second child before we get too old, she is 32, me 36.
My cycles:
I run gear since many years, I think 11, in the beginning mostly just low dose Test. but then I started with comp's and my dosages rised and rised.
Test E., Susta, Deca, Tren, Mesterolone and Masterone were my main roids, HGH only 2 12month runs, last one ended 1 month ago (5 IUs Jintropin).
But since my daughter is born I stopped running "hard" gear but I run 900 Sust and 450 Deca all year round (!) together with 50mg Proviron, HGH as mentioned above.
Actually I run "only" 900 Sust together with 50 Proviron. (Sust: Mo / We / Fr)
Five years ago I dropped Test to 200mg Cyp weekly with 100mg Provimed and 3x250IU HCG, after 4 months my mrs. got pregnant!
I did only bloods at this time and they come back good except my LH / FSH which was below 0.2, but I was fertile. No idea why!
I found already so many fertility protocols in the net that I'm not sure whats wrong or right.
First I checked out Dave P's. protocol , damn very hars, not sure if I need it. Fertility doc. gives mostly bad or not succesful advice, I talked already with 2, one told me I should do a Clomid only therapy, thanks - but defo no!
Next week I'll do bloods and sperm check, I'll let u guys know the result!
I prepared a few options:
- Running gear as I actually do, 900 Sust and 50mg Proviron and stack low dose HCG (3x250IU or 500IU week), if that is an option for how long should I try this option? (But to be honest, I don't think it will work, so much test will make fertility impossible I think)
- Running 200mg Cypionat and 50mg Proviron and stack low dose HCG (3x250IU or 500IU week), if that is an option for how long should I try this option? (But to be honest, I don't think it will work, so much test will make fertility impossible I think)
- Doing a PCT like: 1 week after last pin 1000IU HCG eod for a total of 3 weeks (One week HCG only 2 weeks with PCT). 2 weeks after last pin PCT: Clomid 100mg (after 2 weeks drop to 50 for 4 weeks more) , 40mg Tamox (after 2 weeks drop to 20 for 4 weeks more) and Aro (as needed, I think 25mg eod should be fine), Proviron needed too? Furthermore:1000mcg B12 injection, 2g Vit C daily, Vit E and D daily, Tribulus and then I hope system recovers, if not, so what? HCG low dose only? or directly option 4:
- Super harsh: 1000-2000 HCG eod, 75IU HMG twice week, 50 Clomid for a total of 12 weeks, but if wife isn't pregnant till end of this hardcore run, so what? (To be honest for me this option is an overkill but heard it already from few competition guys that they had succes with this option! But no idea if these guys had luck or a good recovery system!
I hope u guys can help me, I'm really scared that I stay infertile. Wife wants to get pregnat as soon as possible, why so in hurry? Cause i can run this fertility program forever!
Thanks in advance guys!
Nonsense. Please post some evidence/studies?
Estrogen is directly suppressive to steroli, leydig and germ cells in the testes. So thats why I suggest lowering exogenous Test when trying to conceive. Using more Test = more estrogen.
AI's dont work well with preventing testicular aromatase, so you're only hope really is to lower Test and use other fertility drugs like HCG, HMG and Clomid.
Thanks for adding to this. I agree with what you said and it may be worth considering and something I will be implementing myself considering that HCG can actually down-regulate ERα expression so lower doses of HCG may be better than high doses. I have read that intra-testicular estrogen produced by the aromatization of intra-testicular testosterone is beneficial and a key component in fertility so up-regulating the ERα pathway may be beneficial to an overall pronounced effect.
"The regulation of ERα and ERβ expression by hCG was examined. hCG treatment (10 IU/mL) significantly attenuated the ERα (45%; P < 0.01) and ERβ (40%; P< 0.01) mRNA levels. The hCG-induced decrease in ERα and ERβ expression was mimicked by 8-bromo-cAMP (1 mmol/L) and forskolin (10μ mol/L) treatment."
Hormonal Regulation of Estrogen Receptor α and β Gene Expression in Human Granulosa-Luteal Cells in Vitro1
Estrogen is one of the major sex steroid hormones that is produced from the human ovary, and its actions are established to be a receptor-mediated process. Despacademic.oup.com
I believe I’m using the same sponsors hmg, hcg as well. Just started 3 weeks ago. Have a script for clomid.
75iu hmg (eod)
2000iu hcg (eod)
50mg clomid (Ed)
Been trying for 2 years with just clomid and a little hcg and no aas at all so hopefully the hmg will do the trick. I’ve noticed definite increase in size of my jewels. I’ve also noticed much better erections and desire so I’m guessing it’s working. We a have a 7 years old together but didn’t start cycling until after he was born.
Ive also noticed in the last couple days that my nipples are starting to itch a bit. Do you guys think it would hurt to throw in 20mg of nolvadex every day?
I went through this but my infertility was not caused by AAS although the symptoms were identical.
MY doctor prescribed HCG 3x500 IU per week FSH 3 x per week( I don't remember the dose it was years ago) and clomid daily. I think it was 25 mg....FOR A YEAR before my sperm count went up. I have 2 amazing boys.
Hope this helps.
Wasn’t able to DM you. Did you ever end up getting fertile?I visited already 4 doc's, two had no clue about HMG or fertility and said only Clomid and going off will help, totally bullshit, one treated me like a junkie cause I use test, now only one helps me a bit and has knowledge, he checks my values regulary and prescribes me HCG and HMG but everytime I visit him he says "Still doesn't look good" - sucks!