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Finasteride to testosterone dose ratio?

Love_to_Bodybuild

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The past 3 months I've been on 70 to 100 mg testosterone replacement therapy and have used 1.25 mg finasteride everyday. Yesterday I started 300 mg testosterone a week and I'm wondering if anyone knows the finasteride dose to keep your hair and not have libido drop too low?

I think it may be best to earn the side of caution and do a bit higher dosing finasteride just to keep hair safe if sex drive does not go too low and you can always use Cialis. Since starting testosterone higher dose yesterday I noticed I see much more sexual drive

Farthermore this may be an experimental process however if I can shave off some of the learning curve and you found out some stuff that works for you although that doesn't mean it'll work for me it's worth a try cuz some things do generally work for everyone and some things are different, if you have the time would you mind sharing?
 
The best ratio is 0:100

It’s garbage and destroys extremely useful neurosteroids. Only a fool trades those for preventing hair loss.

Use progesterone to protect prostate.
 
I use 1mg Fina and I’m currently running 700mg Test. I’m eventually going to lose what’s on top, but the 1mg dose has slowed it down. When I wet my hair in the mornings to fix it I see 1 or 2 hairs in the sink. Before adding the fina I’d have 20-30 hairs in the sink. I figure I got maybe anutha 2-5yrs then I’ll go ahead and shave mine off.

Cage
 
I think Dante mentioned running like 200mcg/day let me see if i can find the post
 
I take 5mg for bph through my urologist. Dose for hair loss is only 1 mg. People taking supraphysiologic levels of testosterone don't have a dose worked out. I don't think it would hurt to take 2mg/day.

I've been taking 5mg/day for over 1 month a s have so side effects so far.

 
1mg is the optimal dose, though going higher continues to demonstrate increased efficacy to 5mg. T supplants the role of DHT (and all relevant steroids) at supraphysiological doses.

 
DC,

Saw you mention it somewhere but going back can't find it... What did you reccommend for tren/mast users to take for prostate/other issues?


I hate to recommend this (god i hate recommending this) but I think those 2 compounds are so volatile on the prostate that if you were a buddy of mine and we were talking in the gym....Id probably say this "hey 30 drops of finasteride is 5mg or thereabouts, which means 6 drops is 1mg, 30 drops is for prostate problems, 1 mg is for hair management.....it would probably serve you right to do just 1 to 2 drops a day of finasteride (200-400mcg) while using tren or mast....for precautionary reasons (and because nobody wants to use the regular dosages of finast for any length of time)"....... I almost skipped this one....but that is what I would tell a buddy of mine
 
Anyone seen Finasteride in liquid anywhere?
 
I use 1mg Fina and I’m currently running 700mg Test. I’m eventually going to lose what’s on top, but the 1mg dose has slowed it down. When I wet my hair in the mornings to fix it I see 1 or 2 hairs in the sink. Before adding the fina I’d have 20-30 hairs in the sink. I figure I got maybe anutha 2-5yrs then I’ll go ahead and shave mine off.

Cage
You do realize you use approximately 100+ hairs a day, right?
 
Its a drug you should be able to get prescribed through your doctor. If youre losing hair, see you family doctor. No reason to buy it on the black market. I think its pretty cheap too. Im getting mine free right now, and its in tablet form. You know its 100% good too since it comes right from the pharmacy.
 
I asked for my first PSA test and got it. 0.5 it came back as. I've been using finasteride since 2014 Dr prescribed by a PCP , at the time.

Current PCP wouldn't write me a script, as I told him it's for hair, and 2014 PCP was cool with it. I asked a friend dermologist, if he would and he did. You may want to say it's for prostate, as it is.


I've seen something that says finasteride causes a "false positive" on the PSA test , total PSA levels decreased 50% bit free PSA levels didn't change. There's some pubmed literature on it.
 
Basically for an accurate PSA test get a free as well as total. Finasteride causes total to decrease 50% but not free.
 
You do realize you use approximately 100+ hairs a day, right?
Yeah I’m aware it’s more than what I see in the sink. But this hair loss drug does work. Maybe not for everyone, but I notice a big difference when I wasn’t taking it versus taking it.

Cage
 
I asked for my first PSA test and got it. 0.5 it came back as. I've been using finasteride since 2014 Dr prescribed by a PCP , at the time.

Current PCP wouldn't write me a script, as I told him it's for hair, and 2014 PCP was cool with it. I asked a friend dermologist, if he would and he did. You may want to say it's for prostate, as it is.


I've seen something that says finasteride causes a "false positive" on the PSA test , total PSA levels decreased 50% bit free PSA levels didn't change. There's some pubmed literature on it.
I know that if an enlarged prostate is an issue, an urologist won't want to start you on finasteride right away because it lowers your PSA significantly if you're on it for awhile. Measure PSA prior and do a MRI of the prostate is what my doctor did. Taking finasteride can in some ways mask a cancer because it lowers the PSA and shrinks the prostate.

My doc wanted to do a biopsy but I said no on that. My PSA was up around 5.
 
Not when it comes to Allopregnenolone and other neurosteroids tho.
I've been asked by PM by a respected veteran (a mod) to write up a post about this subject, so I'll mention some about neurosteroids here now, might as well.

While true that in a small sample of adult men (n=5) treated with finasteride at 5 mg daily for 4 months, lower plasma levels of 5α-reduced steroids including DHT, allopregnanolone, androsterone, and epiandrosterone have been observed, what matters is the relevance of these neurosteroids in healthy men on exogenous, often supraphysiological T/androgens that supplant the role of DHT in prostate, scalp, etc.

Allopregnanolone's role in modulating GABA-A receptor and progesterone's role in myelination may be inarguable in rodents, but for healthy men (the majority of the readership I believe), we should think about effect size and prevalence of 5α-reductase inhibitors and the symptomology of adverse sexual effects, depression/anxiety, and decreased alcohol intake very weakly associated with the reduction in allopregnanolone and its metabolites.

With 5mg of finasteride (the upper limit, I would suggest, given that 1mg is an optimal dose), weak effects may (!) be associated with the aforementioned symptomology:
In the first RCT (randomized-controlled trial), withdrawal rates due to adverse sexual effects were: 0.2% placebo, 0.7% 1mg finasteride, 1.3% 5mg finasteride.
In the second (PROSPECT) study, a 2 yr RCT using 5mg, there were no published prevalence data for withdrawal due to adverse sexual effects
In the third (Proscar Long-Term Efficacy) study, a 4 yr RCT using again 5mg finasteride, of 3,040 male subjects, withdrawal was 4% for finasteride vs. 2% for placebo; resolved in 50% of finasteride vs. 41% placebo

The small effect sizes of the highest dose of finasteride suggested, the weakened association between rats and humans (who share only 60% homology with the 5alpha-reductase gene), and the fact that taking exogenous progesterone presents its own host of risks and symptomology, I would not see justification for taking exogenous archetypal female hormones to modulate GABA when there are drugs that do this directly and more precisely.
 
I've been asked by PM by a respected veteran (a mod) to write up a post about this subject, so I'll mention some about neurosteroids here now, might as well.

While true that in a small sample of adult men (n=5) treated with finasteride at 5 mg daily for 4 months, lower plasma levels of 5α-reduced steroids including DHT, allopregnanolone, androsterone, and epiandrosterone have been observed, what matters is the relevance of these neurosteroids in healthy men on exogenous, supraphysiological T/androgens that supplant the role of DHT in prostate, scalp, etc.

Allopregnanolone's role in modulating GABA-A receptor and progesterone's role in myelination may be inarguable in rodents, but for healthy men (the majority of the readership I believe), we should think about effect size and prevalence of 5α-reductase inhibitors and the symptomology of adverse sexual effects, depression/anxiety, and decreased alcohol intake very weakly associated with the reduction in allopregnanolone and its metabolites.

With 5mg of finasteride (the upper limit, I would suggest, given that 1mg is an optimal dose), weak effects may (!) be associated with the aforementioned symptomology:
In the first RCT (randomized-controlled trial), withdrawal rates due to adverse sexual effects were: 0.2% placebo, 0.7% 1mg finasteride, 1.3% 5mg finasteride.
In the second (PROSPECT) study, a 2 yr RCT using 5mg, there were no published prevalence data for withdrawal due to adverse sexual effects
In the third (Proscar Long-Term Efficacy) study, a 4 yr RCT using again 5mg finasteride, of 3,040 male subjects, withdrawal was 4% for finasteride vs. 2% for placebo; resolved in 50% of finasteride vs. 41% placebo

The small effect sizes of the highest dose of finasteride suggested, the weakened association between rats and humans (who share only 60% homology with the 5alpha-reductase gene), and the fact that taking exogenous progesterone presents its own host of risks and symptomology, I would not see justification for taking exogenous archetypal female hormones to modulate GABA when there are drugs that do this directly and more precisely.
Which moderator asked YOU to write up something? You’ve done a few cycles in the last 4 years and are routinely incorrect on every single topic you touch on. This is the guy that said bodybuilders regularly wake up in the middle of the night to eat. I’d love to hear which mod wanted you to post here, I’m calling bullshit.

Do what you want readership. Believe the 25 year old who has done a few cycles or believe the older guys who have done BnC for decades and come to the conclusion that backfilling progesterone, pregnenolone, DHEA is an important part of mental and physical health.

If any hormone is “female” then surely estradiol is. We ALL accept it is important for health and growing so why is it a huge stretch that progesterone and it’s 5AR metabolites are important too? This isn’t the first time you’ve shot down the idea and tried to demean guys about it (saying they’re taking female hormones). What’s your agenda?
 
FYI I’ve received dozens of PMs from guys this past year thanking me for discussing backfilling progesterone and pregnenolone. It must be some mystery then how we’re feeling so much better on TRT backfilling hormones since according to @Type-IIx its “not necessary”

Oh right it’s not a mystery. He’s just full of shit.

So again I ask you @Type-IIx whats your agenda? My agenda is helping guys on TRT feel better. It seems like on this issue you’re working against that.
 
FYI I’ve received dozens of PMs from guys this past year thanking me for discussing backfilling progesterone and pregnenolone. It must be some mystery then how we’re feeling so much better on TRT backfilling hormones since according to @Type-IIx its “not necessary”

Oh right it’s not a mystery. He’s just full of shit.

So again I ask you @Type-IIx whats your agenda? My agenda is helping guys on TRT feel better. It seems like on this issue you’re working against that.
I didn't have an "agenda," but it may become riling up Macchu Pikachu with factual data about things he and fellow Redditors like (high estradiol, progesterone, MENT).
 

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