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First Cycle Help - When (and if) to add SERMs/AIs and hCG?

reebokrunner456

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Asking this on behalf of a friend who just started Test E (200-300 mgs/wk), Var (50 mgs/day), HGH (2 IUs/day, 5x/wk), & hCG (250 IUs/day):

  1. At what point (during cycle or post-cycle) is it optimal to use an AI and/or SERM? And, if during cycle, at what week should one/both of these be incorporated?

  2. Would it be better to save hCG towards the end of the cycle (or even for PCT)?

  3. Which AI is preferable, the steroidal compound, Exemestane (Aromasin) or one of the non-steroidals, Letrozole (Femara) or Anastrozole (Arimidex)?
 

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1. Week 3-4 for AI. Save the SERM for end of cycle pct. (2 weeks after last inj.)

2. I don't use hcg. My preference.

3.I use Adex(estro suppressor), but if my guy had Aromasin(estro killer) I'd get it. Letro is more for clearing up gyno. JMO.
 

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If you want to use Hcg, It is best to use it during the cycle, not during PCT. I use it from the beginning of the cycle until the ester clears. I also use an A/I from the first week until the end of PCT. I start clomid after the ester clears and use it for four weeks, 50 per day.
 

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Thanks for the advice, guys! This is much appreciated, and I'm sure my friend [who spends time on these forums but hasn't yet posted :p ] really appreciates the feedback as well.

mdras, good to know that about the hCG. He sorta randomly decided to start it now, so I'm glad the timing is on with that. :D

The AI thread (http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/beginners-forum/43658-using-antiestrogen.html) was also super helpful; and it sure seems that for most, Aromasin would be the AI of choice.

As for dosing of the AI, do you guys keep it constant or taper it up or down during/post cycle?

Thanks again for the tips! :cool:
 

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I'm at week 12(started at week 8) and doin .25mg of Adex eod. So far so good.;)
 

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I'm at week 12(started at week 8) and doin .25mg of Adex eod. So far so good.;)
Thanks for the feedback with Adex. It may very well be ideal, but in synthesizing everything I've read, (from this board and other forums), Aromasin seems to come out on top:

  • fewer sides
  • more effectively suppresses E
  • no rebound effect when you come off it, (since it binds irreversibly to the AI enzyme), unlike the non-steroidals
  • much shorter half-life (~9-12 hs. vs ~50 hrs.) and much shorter time to reach peak concentration (about 2 hrs. vs. several days)
 

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