First cycle, low dose test, opinions?

[extreme11191986]

Hi, I have been lifting consistently for around 3 years now and have put on about 60 pounds naturally. I have done extensive research on training, nutrition, etc. and see good gains and continue to.. About 2 years ago I met someone who I got some test e from 20 ml at 250 mg/ml.. I was about to get the needles and start doing it back then, but I decided it was stupid and should wait..

Well now I have waited and really know what I am doing naturally, and have also done a lot of reading about different cycles, steroids, PCT, and everything. I think I am now ready to start a cycle. I was thinking about doing 200 - 250 mg a week for 8 - 10 weeks, I would like to hear your opinion on whether it would be better to do the 8 week or 10 week.. If I do 8 week I would have enough test in the vial to do this cycle, then another one at some point in the future. Using 2000 mg of the vial up, and having another same cycle for later or I could do 200 mg for 10 weeks and another 200 mg for 10 weeks later.

Also, at this low dosage, I feel that I probably do not need to use hcg during my cycle, and would like some opinions about this. Also, for PCT I have read about primordialperformance's PCT stuff and think that this may be sufficient for this low dose, not a long time period cycle. What are your opinions? Thanks for any input.

 

[RV63T]

IF you have put on 20lbs of muscle a year for 3 years naturally i would say you dont need gear. but thats a lot of mass if those numbers are correct . i would hire phil or shelby or alex and stay natural. gear may be expired anyway.

 

[galioth13]

i'm in the same boat.... ive been lifting for about 4 years maybe a lil more... and i started at 119... 5"6.5 now 175lbs at around 10 percent or a lil below.. natural... so about 10 lbs a year or so... i have the stuff to run a cycle now just been waiting and reading for a while... i plan on running a 10 to 12 week cycle of test e at 400-500 per week... but i;m also thinking about running a taper at the end... or switching to prop the last two weeks...

 

[RV63T]

well if you have hit your natural limits maybe a cycle but its hard to know if you have really hit that point. thats why i say try a different perspective such as one of the pros here i would almost bet they could get more out of you naturally.
but for your question if its your first see ow you respond to say 250mgs a week.
you dont want to start at 500mg then your next you will try 750mg and so on.
for your first you should grow like a weed on 250mg.

 

[galioth13]

well if you have hit your natural limits maybe a cycle but its hard to know if you have really hit that point. thats why i say try a different perspective such as one of the pros here i would almost bet they could get more out of you naturally.
but for your question if its your first see ow you respond to say 250mgs a week.
you dont want to start at 500mg then your next you will try 750mg and so on.
for your first you should grow like a weed on 250mg.

your next cycle doesn;t have to be 750.... from waht i have read alot of ppl on here are on trt with 2-300 per week...you can always do 400... then your next go around thro in some diff compounds... who says you have to up it to 750? i understand you want to get the most out of the least bit of test you can... but is 400 really THAT much....?

 

[extreme11191986]

I know I haven't hit my natural limits yet but it has slowed down a good amount.. I just know what I am doing now and I could use this stuff to boost me up an extra 10 or 15 pounds which would take me at least another full year to do naturally, why not just do it with some help.. I already know I will never quit lifting and eating right, I mean unless I can't for something like old age lol

So my question really is what kind of PCT do you think would be necessary for a low dose at 200 to 250 mg a week, also what about the time span of only running it for 8 weeks? Any opinions on that?

 

[extreme11191986]

your next cycle doesn;t have to be 750.... from waht i have read alot of ppl on here are on trt with 2-300 per week...you can always do 400... then your next go around thro in some diff compounds... who says you have to up it to 750? i understand you want to get the most out of the least bit of test you can... but is 400 really THAT much....?

From what I have read the average male (18-35) produces somewhere in the range of 4-10mg of testosterone a day. That's 28-70mg per week.. So even 200 mg per week with gear is like 3 to 4 times what the top-end average male produces..

 

[RV63T]

your next cycle doesn;t have to be 750.... from waht i have read alot of ppl on here are on trt with 2-300 per week...you can always do 400... then your next go around thro in some diff compounds... who says you have to up it to 750? i understand you want to get the most out of the least bit of test you can... but is 400 really THAT much....?

you are right you dont have to move up to 750 at all. all im saying is if this is your first start 250mg see how you respond. you can always go up from there. and no 400 is not alot. but ill bet if you start at 4 or 500 you will never go down to 250mg. be safe be smart bro. quite a few i know have started at 250mg for there first and did great even ran few more after that at the same. then moved up has they stoped responding to that. and quite a few started at 500mg and not once ever went down to 250mg untill they were on hrt or trt.

 

[extreme11191986]

you are right you dont have to move up to 750 at all. all im saying is if this is your first start 250mg see how you respond. you can always go up from there. and no 400 is not alot. but ill bet if you start at 4 or 500 you will never go down to 250mg. be safe be smart bro. quite a few i know have started at 250mg for there first and did great even ran few more after that at the same. then moved up has they stoped responding to that. and quite a few started at 500mg and not once ever went down to 250mg untill they were on hrt or trt.

Do you have any idea of what kind of PCT they used or the length they ran it for?

 

[RV63T]

Do you have any idea of what kind of PCT they used or the length they ran it for?

well some did none. but that was before pct was even around.
the ones that ran low dose like that incuding myself used clomid.
12 to 16 wk cycle i did fine with just 50mg clomid ed 4 wks 2 wks after last injection.
never needed aromasin or nolva untill i got into higher doses.

 

[galioth13]

you are right you dont have to move up to 750 at all. all im saying is if this is your first start 250mg see how you respond. you can always go up from there. and no 400 is not alot. but ill bet if you start at 4 or 500 you will never go down to 250mg. be safe be smart bro. quite a few i know have started at 250mg for there first and did great even ran few more after that at the same. then moved up has they stoped responding to that. and quite a few started at 500mg and not once ever went down to 250mg untill they were on hrt or trt.

you are right... never quite thought of it in that exact sense... i may start with 300... then just bump it to 400 like you said if i feel the need to... i have also read that alot of ppl keep nolva and aromasin at their side but never really use a pct.... i was also thinking of doing the taper method... you ever tried that or know anyone that has? for pct or should i not consider that until higher doses? cause you will be taking such low doses for so many weeks

 

[RV63T]

guys i know did taper down but it was before pct was around. alawys keep ancillary s on hand if a problem arises you dont want to have to order you want to combat the problem asap.

 

[maldorf]

your next cycle doesn;t have to be 750.... from waht i have read alot of ppl on here are on trt with 2-300 per week...you can always do 400... then your next go around thro in some diff compounds... who says you have to up it to 750? i understand you want to get the most out of the least bit of test you can... but is 400 really THAT much....?

true Hrt averages about 150 mg/wk. Many take just 100 mg/wk and that puts them into a healthy normal range.