first cycle

[RV63T]

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[oldfella]

well i guess i posted a dumb question in the pro section and ive been shund.
so i think the HRT would be good and easy at my age but $585 for 10 wks test cyp, 250mg a wk and deca 200mg a wk 10 wks.seem kinda high.

but i want to run the same cycle. i dont mind just 250mg a wk of test but is that enough deca? this will be my first.

For a first timer this will be quite fine. My training partner is only on 200mg cyp/wk and 200mg nandro/wk. He is growing like a weed and getting very strong. I would run your cycle longer though. I am not a fan of short cycles, I do not think they allow the body time to adapt to the new size. This is one of the reasons some guys lose their gains when they come off.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

RV63, agree with oldfella. that will be fine for your first run. Why are you paying so much? 10 weeks of test/deca 200/200 should be MUCH less. I think you will notice nice gains. For my first run though, I'd rather do 400 test and skip the deca altogether. Still, that cycle should have cost you less than 150bucks.

Keep it simple.

You are definitely not shunned! You'll get your answers to questions in the beginners forum faster than you will the main forum. I use the Beginners Forum too! Gotta start somewhere...

Trust me, the beginners forum on this site has more coverage and better answers than most other sites' MAIN forums... you're on the right board, just the wrong forum.

And this goes for all new members reading this. If you're starting out and have questions, ask about it here. Post before and afters in the Pictures forum. Read what the pros and vets are doing in the main forum... tailor your training, diet, etc. Personally, I love to see someone's progress. I don't care if they're going from 150 to 170lbs, 290lbs to 230lbs, or they just benched 225 for the first time. It's all good.

I remember one of my first posts on any board was about a new personal best. Half the members congratulated me and didn't even know who the hell I was. It's really all about about being better today than you were yeterday. Seeing that makes me want to go rep something.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

thanks oldfella ive read you need to run test 2 wks long than deca do think this also? would 14 wks test 12 deca be better?

People just do this so that both the test and deca taper off at the same time. Deca stays in your body longer. If you're not doing any type of post-cycle therapy (PCT), than it really doesn't matter all that much. If you are planning on using something to regain your test levels after you're finished, then it matters a LOT. You don't want to start to kickstart your own hormones while the synthetic ones are still in there ya know?

 

[oldfella]

I'm there with OUCH, i have been paying a lot more attention to the noobs forum lately. If we can stop some of you from making serious mistakes and or harming yourselves then it actually becomes more of a responsibility as I see it. There are sooooo many hazards in this game and most can be avoided by following common sense and listening to experience. Experience I got plenty, common sense ...........welllllllll..............that's another story! Train hard bro's there's lotsa growin to do!!!!

 

[OuchThatHurts]

i have no prob, following the advice you guys give. i am a noobie to AAS i have some PH experience but the PCT is much more aggressive with AAs.
i was gona use starting 2 wks after last injection
nolva, 20mg ed 6 wks
aromasin,20-25mg ed 1st 5 wks
hcg 250iu twice wk 1st 3 wks
vitamin E 1000iu ed 1st 3 wks

Move the HCG to the last 3 weeks UP TO THE POINT where you start the rest of your PCT. HCG would hurt recovery while trying to get your body to start up again. Aromasin should be more like .5-1mg per day at most. 20-25mg is waaay too much.

 

[HOY]

I'm there with OUCH, i have been paying a lot more attention to the noobs forum lately. If we can stop some of you from making serious mistakes and or harming yourselves then it actually becomes more of a responsibility as I see it. There are sooooo many hazards in this game and most can be avoided by following common sense and listening to experience. Experience I got plenty, common sense ...........welllllllll..............that's another story! Train hard bro's there's lotsa growin to do!!!!

this is why I like this board!!!!

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I have went back to look at the aromasin dose and it does say 20-25mg. is there some reason you would use more than the .5 or 1mg. this guy is highly thought of in this area. i dont know if i could mention his name or the forum. but its one of the well known ones.some of you guys are prob, aware of it. maybe even a member?

Because you don't want to totally shut down your estrogen. Believe it or not, estrogen is VITAL for growth. Trust me. Too little estrogen will often kill your sex drive as well. Aromasin is HIGHLY effective. In the high 90%'s. We don't need that much. It's a very strong steroidal suicidal aromatase inhibitor.

 

[Dad]

Good advice, Ouch - no need for anything to be added to this excellent commentary!

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Correction

RV63T, your Aromasin dosage (20-25mg) is correct. I apologize for the error. Yes, .5 to 1mg would be for Arimidex, not Aromasin. I mistakingly posted the .5-1mg. I noticed the error just this morning. That was my fault. It's the first error I've ever made in my entire life.

Regarding your other question. Letrozole is the only chemical that has been shown to abrogate gyno (at least in one study) and from personal experience, it was the only thing that has hardened the fatty areas around my pecs as you can see from this before and after shot. LOL... seriously, nothing short of surgery will get rid of gyno once it has hardened.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I also posted the correction in the main portion of the Beginner Forum.

Oh I've made plenty of mistakes. Scientif American shows all their corrections from the previous month in there Errata section... If those guys can make mistakes, I don't mind making a few here and there.

 

[oldfella]

I also posted the correction in the main portion of the Beginner Forum.

Oh I've made plenty of mistakes. Scientif American shows all their corrections from the previous month in there Errata section... If those guys can make mistakes, I don't mind making a few here and there.

"YOUR FIRED"

 

[OuchThatHurts]

"YOUR FIRED"

Oh yeah? Well it's "You're fired!"... not "Your fired!" So I guess

YOU'RE FIRED

note that my "you're fired" is a little "bigger" than yours....OMG lmao!!!

 

[oldfella]

Oh yeah? Well it's "You're fired!"... not "Your fired!" So I guess

YOU'RE FIRED

note that my "you're fired" is a little "bigger" than yours....OMG lmao!!!

WTF do you expect from a dumb BBer?????HUH???? SO take this
"YOU ARE FIRED"