First post 5th cycle questions

[2SoonJr]

Hey guys new to the forum. Little background info on myself: I'm 25, 5 foot 11 and 235lbs. Been training for over 10 years now (started with high school football lifting program) and can honestly I haven't taken more than 5 consecutive days off from the gym in the last 8 years. Always ate whatever I wanted but only recently (last ~3 months) have I become a little more serious with my diet and I've had no problems sticking with it (40% protein 40% carbs 20% fat 4k calories a day). Never competed in power lifting or bodybuilding but have some decent strength (425 bench, 565 squat, 585 deadlift etc)

Started my first cycle just before I turned 23 and have been doing cycles of 12-14 weeks on and 12-15 weeks off ever since. First cycle was enanthate only with a nova/clomid pct. Second was prop only and third was dbol, Sust and deca. My cycle last summer was Prop, Masteron, Tren and I had great results. I decided to try enanthate and tren this winter and after about 8 weeks of no results on 75ml tren a day and 600mg enanthate a week, I've come to the conclusion that my most recent purchase is definitely fake (blurry overlapping sciroxx label), which brings me here. I'll be buying from a site sponsor for my next lab rat test, but wanted to get a little info first. What are your thoughts on a cycle like this?

1-10 Sust 600/wk
1-15 EQ 600/wk
1-10 Tren E 600/wk
1-3 Dbol 50mg/day
10-15 Test P 400/wk
10-15 Tren Ace 75 EOD
10-15 Mast Prop 75 EOD
10-15 Winstrol 50mg/day

 

[*KT*]

Why switch to the shorter esters? Why not just run sust eq tren longer?

 

[2SoonJr]

I figured the longer esters would help me put on a little size along with the dbol and the shorter esters would aid in cutting any excess fat along with my diet

 

[ALLEX]

It looks a little too complicated to me...

I'd start with TRT test and 600mg EQ. Ride that for a good 8 weeks or so...

Then maybe bump the EQ to 900mg for a little while and compare pics from before.

If you like how you look now, bump the test to gain some size. Maybe a month on that... Then go back to TRT test, keep the EQ and add 50-75mg tren ace ED.

Whenever you reach low BF% add a bit of masteron for polishing.

Then you can finish your cycle and do PCT or maybe switch EQ for NPP and see how you like it. Then discontinue the tren and up the test, etc, etc...

 

[TrinityD]

I would not try to plan a 'second cycle' (which is what the second half of your cycle is) right now. I understand what you are trying to do here, but it doesn't even look like a good plan tbh.

I would simply do something along the lines of:

1000mg Test E (week 1-12)
600mg Boldenone (week 1-12)
Add in growth hormone

Once you hit week 12, re-assess things and then make a decision from there.
You may end up wanting to spend more time on Test/Eq.
You may want to take a break and then go back on Test/Eq.
You may want to take a break and then start a different cycle.
You may want to take zero breaks and go straight into "another cycle".

If I were you, I really wouldn't make those decisions yet.
Start with a ~12 week course of Test/Eq(and HGH if you can).
Re-evaluate from there.

PS: Make sure you're donating blood, monitoring your health, and getting labs q4-6weeks along the way.
PS, PS: I would spare your cardiovascular system and liver the burden of using 3-5 week bursts of orals. Just be patient and let the injectables do the work. It's not worth it for your goals IMO.

 

[2SoonJr]

That's a good point I guess I won't know if I want to switch the compounds until I run them for a bit...might be complicating it too much and ending up with a short peak period...similar to contest prep which isn't really my goal...thanks

I would not try to plan a 'second cycle' (which is what the second half of your cycle is) right now. I understand what you are trying to do here, but it doesn't even look like a good plan tbh.

I would simply do something along the lines of:

1000mg Test E (week 1-12)
600mg Boldenone (week 1-12)
Add in growth hormone

Once you hit week 12, re-assess things and then make a decision from there.
You may end up wanting to spend more time on Test/Eq.
You may want to take a break and then go back on Test/Eq.
You may want to take a break and then start a different cycle.
You may want to take zero breaks and go straight into "another cycle".

If I were you, I really wouldn't make those decisions yet.
Start with a ~12 week course of Test/Eq(and HGH if you can).
Re-evaluate from there.

PS: Make sure you're donating blood, monitoring your health, and getting labs q4-6weeks along the way.
PS, PS: I would spare your cardiovascular system and liver the burden of using 3-5 week bursts of orals. Just be patient and let the injectables do the work. It's not worth it for your goals IMO.

 

[*KT*]

I loved Test E and Eq. My fav cycle stick to the basics.