for the experienced guys

ENJOYLIFE88 · Nov 22, 2013

BigDM said:
I'm not disputing the fact that steroids are effective at producing muscle mass or that a bigger dose can produce greater gains. But if you take a young bb who has put 3-5 years of hard training and has dialed in his diet without using gear that when he does decide to use he will blow away the guy who just sticks a needle in his ass without putting in the same amount of work and effort beforehand. Genetic freaks excluded.

I hve a crystal ball, in 10 years johnny will lose his passion for lifting and take up break dancing. he has 10 years to get to pro size from the time he enters a gym on his first day.

johnny a- trains 5 years naturally, and the last 5 years enhanced with a perfect diet and training throughout those 10 years
johnny b- is juiced to the gills after a year of training, perfect diet and training the whole time. same guy same genes..

I would put my money on the guy with 9 years of anabolics under his belt regardless of the first johnny having a better natural foundation. Are we on the same page?.

BigDM · Nov 22, 2013

ENJOYLIFE88 said:
I hve a crystal ball, in 10 years johnny will lose his passion for lifting and take up break dancing. he has 10 years to get to pro size from the time he enters a gym on his first day.

johnny a- trains 5 years naturally, and the last 5 years enhanced with a perfect diet and training throughout those 10 years
johnny b- is juiced to the gills after a year of training, perfect diet and training the whole time. same guy same genes..

I would put my money on the guy with 9 years of anabolics under his belt regardless of the first johnny having a better natural foundation. Are we on the same page?.

No we're not, but we are all entitled to our opinions

ENJOYLIFE88 · Nov 22, 2013

dragonfire101 said:
what ethnicity have to do with it. Its about genetics. I know people 6' 230 natural with abs at 8% bdf. I could imagine if they took what you described that would be easily obtainable for them. There are s many big Slovic dudes I know who don't take anything and very lean. So if yo white of Slovic decent then i guess you have a chance. LOL

I hope your joking. Just like Jews have been proven to have higher IQ's, Black people are built better and they possess more fast twitch muscle fibers. To say that ethnicity has nothing to do with genetics is comical . The best Olympic weightlifters in the world, with the best training coaches and drugs in the world who are still 20 years ahead of us still cant get their athletes to make the podium in quite a few sports. The athlete doesnt pick the sport, the sport picks the athlete. If young black American football players today would put their energy into Olympic lifting they would be breaking world records left and right by age 20, things that took your genetically gifted slovacs years of extremely training and drug use to accomplish

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Your women are hot tho, I will give you that.
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ALLEX · Nov 22, 2013

ENJOYLIFE88 said:
perhaps the thread was misworded..

has anyone ever personally known anyone to 250 5% bf on 2 grams of gear and 6iu gh per day.

would of been more appropriate

Does 240-250 pounds and 8-10% bf on 750g of test and some drol counts?

I know a few guys like that. Coincidence or not, they are all black. Click the link below:

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/107592-bigger-guys-i-know.html

texoutlaw · Nov 22, 2013

For real?

Its obvious you have your own reality. You have one answer you'll listen too, if it aint in line with yours you aint hearing it. Sounds exactly like my ex.

Incognito1 · Nov 22, 2013

texoutlaw said:
Its obvious you have your own reality. You have one answer you'll listen too, if it aint in line with yours you aint hearing it. Sounds exactly like my ex.

Yep I agree, he just goes of on ridiculous tangents :banghead:
I'm over this thread.

heavyhitter · Nov 22, 2013

ENJOYLIFE88 said:
and bigd- I do agree with you that if one were to focus on diet and training they could possibly lower their dose and still achieve the same result. I never said food was not anabolic, and I know for fact lack of food is going to limit my gains far more than lack of drugs. I just don't have much of an appetite...never have ...2000 calories per day is tough for me and I rarely reach it. So yeah.. I guess my genetics are poor in that regard.

This can be approved like anyhing else in life. I had to force feed myself for years in order to make gains, but eventually my stomach grew to accomodate the food and i was able to find foods that digested easily and foods that aggravated my stomach and digested poorly and now eating is not such a chore for me and I dont have too much trouble getting in 400 grams of protein and 600 grams of carbs a day