For you Post w/o simple sugar guys

[Dr.S]

I know most members here only care about having a certain look--regardless of the health implications. Yet I know there are those of us who know one can have a great physique and be healthy. I see lots of folks eating 300-500 carbs per day (or more), and these 50-100 grams of sugar post workout protocols. It's Detrimental to your health, and ironically, probably unnecessary for building muscle (that's for another debate, though)



Certainly you can tolerate small amounts if you are healthy and the majority of your diet is healthy, but let’s face it the average American is consuming over 150 pounds a year of sugar or nearly half a pound a day. Ideally your annual consumption should be well under ten pounds per YEAR.

Sugar increases your insulin and leptin levels and decreases receptor sensitivity of both these hormones. This can lead to a wide range of health problems, including weight gain, diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, premature aging, and heart dissyntherolease.

Sugar suppresses your immune system, causing problems with allergies and digestive disorders. It can even bring on depression.


76 Ways Sugar Can Ruin Your Health

Contributed by Nancy Appleton, Ph.D
Author of the book Lick The Sugar Habit

In addition to throwing off the body's homeostasis, excess sugar may result in a number of other significant consequences. The following is a listing of some of sugar's metabolic consequences from a variety of medical journals and other scientific publications.

Sugar can suppress your immune system and impair your defenses against infectious disease.1,2

Sugar upsets the mineral relationships in your body: causes chromium and copper deficiencies and interferes with absorption of calcium and magnesium. 3,4,5,6

Sugar can cause can cause a rapid rise of adrenaline, hyperactivity, anxiety, difficulty concentrating, and crankiness in children.7,8

Sugar can produce a significant rise in total cholesterol, triglycerides and bad cholesterol and a decrease in good cholesterol.9,10,11,12

Sugar causes a loss of tissue elasticity and function.13

Sugar feeds cancer cells and has been connected with the development of cancer of the breast, ovaries, prostate, rectum, pancreas, biliary tract, lung, gallbladder and stomach.14,15,16,17,18,19,20

Sugar can increase fasting levels of glucose and can cause reactive hypoglycemia.21,22

Sugar can weaken eyesight.23

Sugar can cause many problems with the gastrointestinal tract including: an acidic digestive tract, indigestion, malabsorption in patients with functional bowel disease, increased risk of Crohn's disease, and ulcerative colitis.24,25,26,27,28

Sugar can cause premature aging.29

Sugar can lead to alcoholism.30

Sugar can cause your saliva to become acidic, tooth decay, and periodontal disease.31,32,33

Sugar contributes to obesity.34

Sugar can cause autoimmune diseases such as: arthritis, asthma, multiple sclerosis.35,36,37

Sugar greatly assists the uncontrolled growth of Candida Albicans (yeast infections)38

Sugar can cause gallstones.39

Sugar can cause appendicitis.40

Sugar can cause hemorrhoids.41

Sugar can cause varicose veins.42

Sugar can elevate glucose and insulin responses in oral contraceptive users.43

Sugar can contribute to osteoporosis.44

Sugar can cause a decrease in your insulin sensitivity thereby causing an abnormally high insulin levels and eventually diabetes.45,46,47

Sugar can lower your Vitamin E levels.48

Sugar can increase your systolic blood pressure.49

Sugar can cause drowsiness and decreased activity in children.50

High sugar intake increases advanced glycation end products (AGEs)(Sugar molecules attaching to and thereby damaging proteins in the body).51

Sugar can interfere with your absorption of protein.52

Sugar causes food allergies.53

Sugar can cause toxemia during pregnancy.54

Sugar can contribute to eczema in children.55

Sugar can cause atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease.56,57

Sugar can impair the structure of your DNA.58

Sugar can change the structure of protein and cause a permanent alteration of the way the proteins act in your body.59,60

Sugar can make your skin age by changing the structure of collagen.61

Sugar can cause cataracts and nearsightedness.62,63

Sugar can cause emphysema.64

High sugar intake can impair the physiological homeostasis of many systems in your body.65

Sugar lowers the ability of enzymes to function.66

Sugar intake is higher in people with Parkinson's disease.67

Sugar can increase the size of your liver by making your liver cells divide and it can increase the amount of liver fat.68,69

Sugar can increase kidney size and produce pathological changes in the kidney such as the formation of kidney stones.70,71

Sugar can damage your pancreas.72

Sugar can increase your body's fluid retention.73

Sugar is enemy #1 of your bowel movement.74

Sugar can compromise the lining of your capillaries.75

Sugar can make your tendons more brittle.76

Sugar can cause headaches, including migraines.77

Sugar can reduce the learning capacity, adversely affect school children's grades and cause learning disorders.78,79

Sugar can cause an increase in delta, alpha, and theta brain waves which can alter your mind's ability to think clearly.80

Sugar can cause depression.81

Sugar can increase your risk of gout.82

Sugar can increase your risk of Alzheimer's disease.83

Sugar can cause hormonal imbalances such as: increasing estrogen in men, exacerbating PMS, and decreasing growth hormone.84,85,86,87

Sugar can lead to dizziness.88

Diets high in sugar will increase free radicals and oxidative stress.89

High sucrose diets of subjects with peripheral vascular disease significantly increases platelet adhesion.90

High sugar consumption of pregnant adolescents can lead to substantial decrease in gestation duration and is associated with a twofold increased risk for delivering a small-for-gestational-age (SGA) infant.91,92

Sugar is an addictive substance.93

Sugar can be intoxicating, similar to alcohol.94

Sugar given to premature babies can affect the amount of carbon dioxide they produce.95

Decrease in sugar intake can increase emotional stability.96

Your body changes sugar into 2 to 5 times more fat in the bloodstream than it does starch.97

The rapid absorption of sugar promotes excessive food intake in obese subjects.98

Sugar can worsen the symptoms of children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).99

Sugar adversely affects urinary electrolyte composition.100

Sugar can slow down the ability of your adrenal glands to function.101

Sugar has the potential of inducing abnormal metabolic processes in a normal healthy individual and to promote chronic degenerative diseases.102

I.V.s (intravenous feedings) of sugar water can cut off oxygen to your brain.103

Sugar increases your risk of polio.104

High sugar intake can cause epileptic seizures.105

Sugar causes high blood pressure in obese people.106

In intensive care units: Limiting sugar saves lives.107

Sugar may induce cell death.108

In juvenile rehabilitation camps, when children were put on a low sugar diet, there was a 44 percent drop in antisocial behavior.109

Sugar dehydrates newborns.110

Sugar can cause gum disease.111


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[gridlock]

I know most members here only care about having a certain look--regardless of the health implications

How to win friends and Influence people 101.

Nevertheless, a good read.

 

[Lenny]

Good post...I enjoyed reading it!

 

[Dr.S]

How to win friends and Influence people 101.

Nevertheless, a good read.

This magical book will help folks reduce their sugar consumption?

 

[BigMatt]

Thank you great article

 

[witefall]

. . . you forgot that it also causes AIDS.

 

[robot]

... But if I didn't do my 60 grams of dextrose the 10 iu's insulin would knock my ass out

... My little engine generally runs far better on a protein/fat dominant diet but being afraid of jacking up your blood sugar levels when your muscles are glycogen depleted seems a bit silly to me.

 

[Nate.184]

good read bro

 

[Johnny Thrust]

Notice the "sugar can" wording. It may, it could, it might, on and on and on. I remember not too long ago research suggested that eggs were just evil. Eggs can do this eggs can do that. I cant think of too many other sources of protein that come close to the good ol egg. I love em. Boiled, scrambled or fried. I eat a lot of lean red meat as well !!! Why not just live life to the fullest and enjoy everything in moderation. A little isnt gonna kill you. Ive been utilizing the post workout carb load for a couple of months now and I must say that I notice a difference in muscle fullness. I feel pumped longer. That has to be good for growth.

 

[Dr.S]

. . . you forgot that it also causes AIDS.

#112- It causes AIDS

 

[Dr.S]

Notice the "sugar can" wording. It may, it could, it might, on and on and on. I remember not too long ago research suggested that eggs were just evil. Eggs can do this eggs can do that. I cant think of too many other sources of protein that come close to the good ol egg. I love em. Boiled, scrambled or fried. I eat a lot of lean red meat as well !!! Why not just live life to the fullest and enjoy everything in moderation. A little isnt gonna kill you. Ive been utilizing the post workout carb load for a couple of months now and I must say that I notice a difference in muscle fullness. I feel pumped longer. That has to be good for growth.

You prove my point--your goal is to feel more pumped/have more fullness. I'm talking about overall health and longevity.

btw-- why does feeling pumped have to be good for growth? just curious on your opinion

 

[tenny]

Good post...I enjoyed reading it!

yea me too

 

[Johnny Thrust]

Feeling pumped means that the muscles are full of blood. That is a no brainer. If the muscles are full of blood then it stands to reason that more nutrients are going to be shuttled into the muscle for recovery. At the same time a "pumped" muscle offers stretching of the fascia which allows for muscle growth and expansion of the capillaries. Simple sugars like dextrose post workout can cause an insulin spike which is also beneficial in shuttling nutrients into the worked muscles. Look, I am not here to argue with anybody. If you do not want to use sugar then dont. Its a free world. By not using sugar you realize that you cannot enjoy fruit, fruit juices, and a host of other goodies that are not only delicious but considered healthy by most people. I limit my carb intake and I do not use sugars in excess. I feel that the key to a proper diet is moderation. I think I would be a bit more concerned about the meats, vegetables and nuts that we are being sold at the local markets. How many recalls have we had this past year ? would you like some Salmonella with that no sugar diet ?

 

[Macro]

... But if I didn't do my 60 grams of dextrose the 10 iu's insulin would knock my ass out

... My little engine generally runs far better on a protein/fat dominant diet but being afraid of jacking up your blood sugar levels when your muscles are glycogen depleted seems a bit silly to me.

dextrose is not "sugar". Sugar, more accurately called SUCROSE, is dextrose:fructose and the vast majority of issues stem from fructose content (as the human body can only process a very limited amount of fructose per day). Fructose, and high fructose corn syrup are commonly used to induce diabetes in lab animals.


sugars (not "sugar") include dextrose, fructose, sucrose, maltose, lactose, galactose and a number of other less common combinations of the above.

 

[robot]

Sugar commonly refers to Beet or Cane sugar = sucrose
Corn Sugar is dextrose

chemically
sucrose = glucose + fructose
dextrose = glucose
fructose = fructose

what's your point?

 

[Newman]

Sugar commonly refers to Beet or Cane sugar = sucrose
Corn Sugar is dextrose

chemically
sucrose = glucose + fructose
dextrose = glucose
fructose = fructose

what's your point?

Assuming that you are referring to Macros' post (you didn't directly address him), then I can only assume he's sort of insinuating that dextrose is safer than fructose & the big scary post by Dr.S doesn't really apply to dextrose in the same way.

I hope that's what he was getting at & I hope he's right. We gotta get some enjoyment outta life...

 

[BigMatt]

Its not Really about Sugar.

Well it is because Sugar and Insulin are interielated.

Its more about Insulin level.

The point should be That the Higher your Insulin Level is, The Faster you age and become insulin Resistant.

BLood Glucose will Always come down, Until you become a fullblown Diabete and not produce Insulin.


The Problem is when people Spike Insulin Too High and too Often, Thats when your health is injured.

 

[Johnny Thrust]

My point to Dr.S is that using dextrose to provide an insulin spike post workout 4 times a week is not going to have serious side effects. I am concerned when people say that a study showed that a substance is unhealthy in lab rats when given a dose that far exceeds what any human being would ever ingest. They give those rats insane amounts to get results. Im pretty sure thats why every one of the illnesses that he lists is preceeded by "can". Sugar can, sugar may. In fact, if you look over his post you can see several refences to HIGH sugar intake. Sugar can be deadly if you eat 1lb a day for 10 years. I would probably buy into that theory. Sad thing is that when you read nutrition labels they merely refer to sugar as sugar. Not dextrose, sucrose, fructose, etc. Everything in moderation my friends. I do agree that Americans on average eat way too much sugar but trying to scare people on this forum isnt going to have much effect.

 

[EVERLAST]

sugars 6, 12, 24,

someone correct me if I am wrong
but blood sugar is a 6 carbon molecule,
sucrose is a 12 carbon molecule,
and all carbs after that are made of longer and longer chains of these 12, 24, 48, 96, etc. carbon chain building blocks.
The Glycemic Index refers to the speed with whitch the body can break them down into the 6 carbon currency we utilize for conversion to ATP (which is metabolized on the cellular level in the mitochondria via the citric acid, or Krebs, cycle)
Insulin is secreted when the levels of this 6 carbon molecule are too high and
dependent upon your muscles' state of depletion, is stored in the liver, stored as fat, OR carried directly to the depleted muscle stores.

Therefore it would be optimal for a bodybuilder to restore the depleted muscle stores with something that would be digested quickly for an insulin producing spike, whether they are sourced from sucrose or a more healthy alternative. Taking advantage of the insulin shuttle so to speak...

I personally like sweet potato or a low GI fruit....

what works for you???

 

[Newman]

My point to Dr.S is that using dextrose to provide an insulin spike post workout 4 times a week is not going to have serious side effects. I am concerned when people say that a study showed that a substance is unhealthy in lab rats when given a dose that far exceeds what any human being would ever ingest. They give those rats insane amounts to get results. Im pretty sure thats why every one of the illnesses that he lists is preceeded by "can". Sugar can, sugar may. In fact, if you look over his post you can see several refences to HIGH sugar intake. Sugar can be deadly if you eat 1lb a day for 10 years. I would probably buy into that theory. Sad thing is that when you read nutrition labels they merely refer to sugar as sugar. Not dextrose, sucrose, fructose, etc. Everything in moderation my friends. I do agree that Americans on average eat way too much sugar but trying to scare people on this forum isnt going to have much effect.

I'm wondering whether "sugar" (whatever that is) is really so dangerous when used to replenish glycogen stores in healthy athletes?

As you said, lab rats on ridiculously high sugar diets & gym rats using relatively moderate doses of sugar may have differing results...

I hope DR.S gets back on here to clarify the nitty gritty details of his opinion...

(A bunch of studies done on lab rats & non athletes doesn't necessarilly prove too much. I went down his entire list of references & couldn't find even one reference including the word "athlete". Perhaps I missed one or two, but since athletes reasonable healthfully consume 3 times more protien than "healthy adults", I think there's gotta be more athlete specific studies done if anyone's gonna draw any solid conclusions here.)