Gainskeeper Formula Which one?

[juicestain]

Ok so this is going to be my 3rd cycle. In the past I have taken 8 week cycle of 100mg Test Prop eod and 50mg of anavar ed I followed this with nolva 40/40/20/20 I had trouble keeping gains from this I finished my cycle weighing 215 and benching 385x3 but after pct was done I was weighing 200-205 if lucky and I went all the way down to only doing 315-325 for 3 reps. My next cycle I took a 10 week 150mg test prop eod, 50mg of anavar ed, .25 ameridex eod as well and followed with the same pct nolva 40/40/20/20. I was doing good with this I kept alot from this cycle all the way up til hte pct ended and I was doing horrible in the gym was up to 220 and hitting 405 for 3 on the cycle now I'm down to 197 somehow and right back to where I was last time strength wise.

My next cycle I have on hand 300IU's of HGH I plan on getting more but I want to use the blast method IM and 10IU post workout 3xweek. I also once again have prop and I have a lot of anavar. I plan on maybe doing 100-150mg of prop eod and maybe 60-80mg of anavar ed with the hgh and 250iu of hcg 3 times a week. I can get more stuff as well it's not a problem.

I want to keep my gains from this cycle I'm tired of busting my ass and losing it all. I did some research on the gainskeeper formula and found so many different ones. I just wnat to know what I need to take to have the best chance of keeping my gains form a cycle. here are some of them and which do you think will work best.
1. Always 80-100g protein and 80-100g maltodextrin shake with 5g of Vitamin C post workout (cortisol protection)
Dbol: 10mg in the morning only for 6 weeks (for cortisol management)
DHEA: 150mg am and pm (for cortisol management) for 6 weeks post
Arimidex: 1mg ed for 6 weeks post
Clomid: 300 (1st day), 100, 100, 50, 50
Bromocriptine, 1.25 ed (week 1), 1.25 ed (week 2), 2.5 ed (week 3,4), 1.25ed (week 5)
Deprenyl: 5mg eod week 6 and 7 only
Zinc: 100mg ed for at least 8 weeks
Magnesium: 800mg ed for at least 8 weeks
Vit B6: 100mg ed for at least 8 weeks
Vit E: 3000-6000iu for 8 weeks
Proviron: 50mg ed, week 1-4

2. I will post the rest in my next post

Should I bring in ameridex again while on?
What more do I need to get?
What do you think is the best pct?

 

[juicestain]

By Adonis:

The inevitable problem that all athletes face when coming off of a cycle of androgenic anabolic steroids is keeping the gains they've worked so hard to attain. Many experts have spent a great deal of time addressing this situation and attempting to find a solution. After a great deal of research and working with bodybuilders, I feel I have come up with the most effective solution to date. By examining other's techniques and results I have been able to determine what is most likely to work for the average bodybuilder using steroids. I am by no means saying this is the be all to end all of recovery formula's or that I am an expert in the medical field. I am simply offering an effective solution to the most common problem all athlete's experience after a cycle.

What needs to be recognized is that there is not one or two problems that need to be addressed, but several, which all act synergistically or together. By solving all of these problems together, the chances of increased performance are greatly increased in your favor. The key is all in the timing of the execution. The human body is a very complex mechanism and when the timing is right, maintaining the increase in muscle mass is easy.

The first problem is to restore the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis to normal after having been suppressed from the exogenous testosterone intake. Those athletes who use the weaker compounds that have little effect on the endogenous levels of testosterone can use this formula as well to further increase their gains. The actual actions by which we will use to raise endogenous testosterone production are beyond the scope of this report, but can be found in most University biology text books or by simply reading a copy of the World Anabolic Review. These will give you a better understanding of what we are attempting to do here.

The second major problem that the athlete will face is a substantial increase the bodies own endogenous level of cortisone. These levels are extremely high when taking steroids, yet remain deactivated while on the juice as the receptors are blocked by the steroid molecules. Thisis what gives steroids their anti-catabolic effect. However, when the intake of steroids ceases, the receptors are suddenly freed and the unusually high levels of cortisone are free to break down muscle tissue. Thus, the high levels of cortisol must be reduced to normal levels in a very short time. Since we all know that creatine monohydrate is very effective in maintaining strength and creatine phosphate stores, it is highly recommended that you maintain a high dose of 30 grams per day for at least the duration of this formula.

Assuming you are coming off of an eight or ten week cycle, you should have started tapering the doses down in the last two or three weeks. This allows the body to return to normal levels much more evenly. Let's say that the start of each week is Monday. On the Monday of the seventh week in an eight week cycle, begin taking 25mg a day of mesterolone, otherwise known as Proviron. Proviron is a synthetic androgen that also acts as an anti-aromatase. When the intake of steroids ceases, the bodies own androgen levels are very low, yet the estrogen levels are still very high. This shifts the androgen to estrogen ratio in favor of the estrogens spelling bad news for the user. Proviron keeps the ratio in favor of the androgens without effecting the natural production of testosterone, thereby adding to spermatogenisis. This double action drug begins to reduce the amount of estrogen in the body by preventing the aromatization of testosterone to estrogen so that possible gyno, water retention and female pattern fat distribution may be avoided. It will also give the body a much harder look.

We also wish to deal with the increased cortisone levels at this time so that we may begin to bring them down before the end of the cycle. This can be accomplished by the intake of 800mg of Phosphatidylersine per day. There has been a great deal of controversy as to whether or not this supplement actually works. I feel that it has little effect on normal levels of cortisol in the body, but will work very well on reducing elevated levels after the discontinuance of steroids. It should be noted that the use of aminoglutethimide or Cytadren is NOT recommended.Cytadren may be anti-estrogenic, but it also inhibits the bodies own production of androgens, which is exactly what we don't want at this time. There are also complex negative-feedback mechanisms which must be dealt with individually.

The eighth week of the cycle is when critical timing begins. This is the last week of the intake of the steroids and when the body realizes what is starting to happen. On the Monday of this week, increase the dosage of the Proviron to 50mg a day. At this time, we also want to introduce the use of a little known drug by the name of Cyclofenil. Cyclofenil is an estrogen that act's as an anti-estrogen and as stimulant for the body to produce more testosterone. Cyclofenil acts in a very similar manner to Nolvadex in that it does not block the aromatization of testosterone, but occupies the estrogen receptors in the body so that the stronger estrogens cannot become active. Cyclofenil should be taken once a day at a dose of 100mg. We also want to begin to prepare the blood for the following week. We have to make sure the blood has enough raw material in the way of steroid intermediates for the testes to increase testosterone production. To do this, we start taking 250mg of DHEA a day, starting on theFriday of week 8.

The ninth week is the most critical time of the cycle. This is where things get interesting. On the Monday, up the dosage of Cyclofenil to 200mg a day, but keep the Proviron and DHEA at their respective doses. On the Thursday we want to inject 5000 IU's of HCG to stimulatethe Leydig's cells to produce more testosterone. Any more than this will overload the system and convert more to estrogen. On the Friday we want to start the intake of clomiphene citrate or Clomid. Clomid stimulates the entire hypo testicular axis to produce more test and at a faster rate. We want to start with 100mg a day.

In the tenth week of our formula we continue with all dosages at their respective levels, but we drop the dose of Clomid to 50mg a day on the Wednesday. By now the testosterone levels in your body should be way up there and you will feel like you've just hit your second wind.Surges in strength are not uncommon here.

The eleventh week is where we start to wind everything down. On the Monday we discontinue the use of the Clomid and the DHEA. We also reduce the dose of Proviron to 25mg a day and the cyclofenil to 100mg a day. We stop taking the cyclofenil altogether on Friday. Testosterone levels should be very high, estrogen levels should be fairlylow, and cortisol levels will back to normal levels. On the Sunday, the last day of the cycle, stop taking everything.

Now would be the time to start a cycle of clenbuterol hydrochloride if you so wanted. Starting at a dose of 20mcg per day and working up to 80-120mcg, depending on how much you feel you can take in increments of 20mcg per day. You will know your limit when the side effects become unbearable, mostly the shaking and uneasiness. Back off that dose by 20mcg a day and stay with this dose in a two-on, two-off cycle for 3-6 weeks.

During this time it is important to modify both our training and diet. Since you will need to reduce your training capacity significantly and give you body time to readjust itself, I think a simple whole body powerlifting routine is ideal at this time. It will prevent a loss of strengthfrom the cycle, even increase it, and not allow you to go into a state of overtraining. Stick to the core compound movements and limit the number of exercises you perform to 12 or less. This will challenge you to hit as many body parts as possible with only a few exercises. Keep the sets low and heavy. This routine also has the benefit of boosting natural testosterone production from the heavy squats, deadlifts and presses. Since we are all advanced athletes, we can look back to our diet journals and determine what our new maintenance calorie level should be. Be sure to use your lean body mass and not your total mass when determining your new maintenance level. You might want to add additional protein calories now, about 200-300 extra, but be sure you start with at least 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight before you add any.

Some notes to keep in mind when using this formula. Always take a good vitamin and mineral pack ( this is a given at all times ) and it is a good idea to up your intake of anti-oxidants in general, and of vitamin C to 3 grams per day in divided doses. It is a good idea to divide the intake of all substances up into equal doses in the day to ensure even levels in the blood and to take them all with fluid after meals. And be sure to drink one hell of a lot of distilled water during this entire period as your kidneys and liver will be doing overtime for the duration as well.

That is the whole formula. It is not cheap, nor is it taken lightly. But those who have invested the time and energy in making the gains will realize that maintaining them is just as important. Train hard, educate yourself, and best of luck.

 

[juicestain]

Part2 by Adonis:

So there have been a few changes since I first wrote the Gains Keeper Formula....This being more research into post cycle therapy has come around.

So we r going to use a typical 10 week cycle for this

400 mg eq e/w wks 1-10
500 mg sustanon e/w wks 1-10
35 mg revforit b e/d wks 1-4

these r standard, but what we r going to do now is add in our anit-e. That being proviron at 50 mg e/d wks 1-10

reaon we r doing this is to emlimante bloat, and to act as an anti-e...The hardening effects this drug provides are a bonus

so we r coming up on the last injection of our cycle, start this during wk 8

Now we r going to increase provrion to 100 mg e/d for the next 2 weeks, there after only taking 50 mg e/d for the rest of the thearpy. we are also going to add creatine at 30 mgs e/d for the fristw eek, then back it off to 10 mg e/d for the rest of this therapy.

So we have effectivley strte dto eliminate the amount of cortisol thta is going to be present post cycel, and strtaed to decrease the amount of free estrogen. Lets see what else we can do.

we r in wk 9 still

We are going to add Cyclofenil to the mix. Because this drug is an estrogen that acts as an anti e. This drug acts like nolvadex in that it blocks the e recptors, preventing stronger es from becoming active. We are goign to take 100 mg e/d for the next 2 weeks. And we want to preparew the blood for whats to come, we r going to satrt to take DHEA at 250 mg e/d, for the next two weeks.

Week 10-;last injection

We r keeping everything at the same dose now except Cyclofenil, we r uping doseage to 200 mg e/d. We are also gonna take 5000 iu of HCG the day after the last injection, and again 5 days later.

week 12

CLomid therapy will start at 50 mg e/d for the next 4 weeks. we r going to stoip everything but our creatine intake,Cyclofenil and the proviron for now. Provirion dosage is going to drop to 50 mg e/d again, and creatine is going to run at 10 mg e/d. Cyclofenil is going to be run at 100 mg e/d forone week...then usage will stop.


week 14

proviron use will cease, and creatine use will stay at 10 mg e/d...The only other drug we r taking is clomid, at 50 mg e/d

week 16
this is our last week on clomid, on day 7 of this week cease everything...wait about 10 wks, and start anouther cycle....

Our gains should be solidiied by now, and you should feel great about your self.

This is my opinion of how the cycle should end, adn is only a reference...feel free to try other things, but from the science research and personal experience, this wokrs well


Here's one from a very large individual by the name of massiveg.

Old timers from Elite, Anabolex, the Undergrround, etc. will remember the gainskeeper formula from 96-97 which Spellwin charged $ for and probably still does.

I never looked at it until it was posted on another board, and it isn't much-and is outdated-since the evolving and availability of the new anti-E's, pro hormones, tribby, etc.

The original formula was like cyclofenil, provirion, Clen, creatine, can't remember what else....Pro v and Cyclofenil are good compounds but hard to find and in my opinion over priced.

I recently advised a guy who had been on for 4 years straight!
He always bridged with something in between heavy cycles, but with a new woman and being stuck at 260 for a year he decided to come down, but he sure did not want to drop to 230 and seriously crash!

I am happy to say that his HPTA is reactivated after this course and he has kept his weight at 250 lbs with low bodyfat at the end of this 8-10 week recovery Non AAS cycle.
He did do Clomid and Arimidex and HCG at various points when ON and desperately trying to get more gains.....but did not work at that time.

Here it is...
When coming off a cycle always taper the fast acting compounds first-nothing new most people know this.
All orals, T-Suspension, Tren Ace, T-Prop, T-Enath, T-Cyp, Sust, Deca etc. in order of the drugs published half life.

SO you will be "OFF" when you start this recovery period even though some esters are still floating around in the blood stream.

OK-
The first part is to do 3-4 weeks of topical 4-AD 1 gram, twice a day for 3-4 weeks. It does not matter if it is Biotest, Ergopharm or make your own-just do it! They all work about the same.
No they are not AAS but they do work in preserving some mass and water retention, work out *********, strength, positive mental attitude, wood, sex drive and appetite for some.

YES,-I know the HPTA will be further suppresed if at all-it sure will not be stimulating it-BUT the 4-AD helps you retain some of that weight you lose as water so you emotionally feel better and helps with the post cycle crash and you still train at a good level of *********.

When you stop the 4-AD here is the recovery cycle and compounds and doses week by week.

Week 1 (doses are per day)
.5 mg Arimidex
50 mg Clomid
20 mcg Clenbuterol
25 mcg T-3
1 Gram Tribulus
2-300 mgs Vitex

Week 2
1 mg Arimidex
100 mg Clomid
50 mcg T 3
40 mcg Clenbuterol
1.5 Gram Tribulus
300 mgs Vitex

Week 3
1 mg Arimidex
100 mg Clomid
50 mcg T 3
60 mcg Clenbuterol
2 Grams Tribulus
400 mgs Vitex
1,000 iu HCG a day administered twice in separate 500 mg shots.

Week 4
.5 mg Arimidex
50 mg clomid
40 mcg Clenbuterol
1.5 grams Tribulus
300 mgs Vitex
T 3 50 mcg
500 ius' HCG a day administered twice at 250 mg shots.

Week 5
.5 mg Arimidex
50 mg Clomid
20 mg Clenbuterol
200 mgs Vitex
1 Gram Tribulus
T 3 25 mcg

Week 6 done......

Also during this this entire time Creatine is to be taken at 20 grams a day and Glutamine 20 grams a day.
Pre and post work out nutrition are very important as well as a Night time feeding shake.
You may also use lecithin, extra Zinc, Vitamin E, Vitamin C MG and a Multi-vitamin/B-complex mix. Vanadyl sulfate at 70-100mgs a day and ALA at 1 gram a day may also be used for further benefit.

Try to eat clean and avoid junk.

Pre-work out drink
~20 grams Whey Protein Hydrolysate
~40 Grams Dextrose/Malto complex

Post work out drink
~30-40 Grams Whey Protein Hydrolysate
~60-80 Grams Malto/Dextrose
~1 gram Taurine
10 grams Creatine
10 grams Glutamine
6 Grams BCAA's

Night time feeding shake-

In skim milk or water-100 gram combo of Casein 40 grams , Designer Whey Glycerlean 40 grams, and Whey protein hydrolysate 20 grams......

INSULIN through out this cycle may be used at your discretion-I would recommend 10-20 ius of Humalog after a work out on work out days only.

Also generally REDUCE THE WEIGHT OR OVERALL ********* OF YOUR WORK OUTS BY 15-20 % this will help in a reduced recouperative/recovery state and the excessive catabolism that goes hand in hand with training when coming off!.

I know I forgot some compound so someone chime in here and thanks.....comments replies welcome...share the knowledge.....share the wealth....


Massive G "The 2002 Version!"