Gear in Ethyl Oleate (EO)...pros/cons?

[BALDNAZI]

What have you guys found to be the benefits to using EO based gear? A friend of mine mentioned this to me today and since I have been out of the game I had never heard of it.

From what I understand it can hold higher mg of gear and remain stable and relatively painless. On the flipside it can effect the halflives and rate that gear is absorbed. Fill me in on everything EO....

 

[Vidocq]

I love eo based gear, used it exclusively pre ORD. Goes through a 27g no problem, little/no pain associated with high concentration products. About the only bad things I've heard about it are that some claim to be allergic to it, and some say it can eat away the rubber in your plunger (so you can't preload pins far in advance). But it's by far my favorite, I'd love to see more labs producing a 100% eo line.

 

[number twelve]

Have found it to be thin and painless but need to use a bd syringe. With other brands, the syringe seems to bind up.

 

[natabolic]

I love eo based gear, used it exclusively pre ORD. Goes through a 27g no problem, little/no pain associated with high concentration products. About the only bad things I've heard about it are that some claim to be allergic to it, and some say it can eat away the rubber in your plunger (so you can't preload pins far in advance). But it's by far my favorite, I'd love to see more labs producing a 100% eo line.

sounds like something i want to inject into me.

yeah, i dont know if its the eo, but everytime i use eo based gear, i breakout like crazy.. rash + acne. doesnt happen with other gear at the same doses.. just eo based.. probably just me though. but yes, relatively painless.

 

[KlingonFromUranus]

On the flipside it can effect the halflives and rate that gear is absorbed.

Can someone extrapolate on this?

 

[osiris]

sounds like something i want to inject into me.

yeah, i dont know if its the eo, but everytime i use eo based gear, i breakout like crazy.. rash + acne. doesnt happen with other gear at the same doses.. just eo based.. probably just me though. but yes, relatively painless.

you know that given enough time oil based gear with benzyl alcohol will dissolve the rubber stoppers too=-) Make no mistake, BA is a solvent.

Personally i like eo for shorter acting esters. Prop made with it tends to be a higher concentration and clears the injection site way fast. Others have stated that the viscosity is much much less so it glows easily through a smaller gauge pin.

EO is fine for me, it is that shit made with guaiacol(?) that fucks me up. I get this strange ass taste in my mouth, sorta like aspirin,g et a bit flushed, all in all its not pleasant. Not something i would ever use again.

 

[Gunsmith]

EO is great especialy for suspention based gear like tests suspention and winstrol
I use both from a board sponser and they workd great , shoot with a 28g slin pin

 

[Chipper Jones78]

The EO Prop is probably the best HG prop in the market, I belive it was form the Ukraine, 50MG per.

 

[Matsuo Munefusa]

I dont see what big deal they make about 'thin' EO gear. I have shot cottonseed grapeseed with slin pin fine. It takes longer to draw/shoot but whatever not a big deal 1 minute more each pin is not going to break me.

I'd much rather use some fat my body is used to consuming such as grapeseed.

why worry about getting more than 200mg of hormone into 1ml?

 

[morepain]

it does allow you to make more concentrated solutions....thats about it....i never could grasp the whole "i want 500mg/ml test" thing anyway...but to each his own.

Also some (ie me) have a horrible reaction to EO based gear...personally i never use it and don't recommend it.

 

[Duc999]

it does allow you to make more concentrated solutions....thats about it....i never could grasp the whole "i want 500mg/ml test" thing anyway...but to each his own.

Also some (ie me) have a horrible reaction to EO based gear...personally i never use it and don't recommend it.

Could you elaborate on the reaction you had?

I like a high mg/ml just to save on the number of injections & due to the fact I'm getting/have scar tissue.

 

[MonkeyBoy]

Could you elaborate on the reaction you had?
QUOTE]

I felt like shiat on it, like I had the flu the whole time, no energy at all. I don't like EO at all. Now some of my friends used the same stuff, no problems at all. I think each person is different.

 

[-TOXIC-]

Some of us guys that are bigger and/or been in the game awhile use higher levels of gear. Its simple. So for me, EO is great bc I can make 400mg/ml or 500mg/ml or even a 600mg/ml test. Although it does eat the rubber on a plunger, so its a bitch making your own gear with EO. I use 35%.

2% Ba
15% Bb
35% EO
Rest is grapeseed oil.

 

[-TOXIC-]

Could you elaborate on the reaction you had?
QUOTE]

I felt like shiat on it, like I had the flu the whole time, no energy at all. I don't like EO at all. Now some of my friends used the same stuff, no problems at all. I think each person is different.

Youre just allergic to it. Which sucks but oh well.

 

[TODouble2]

how fast can these reactions take place? i literally just started my cycle yesterday and today i feel sluggish and sick.

i'm not sure if my gear is EO based, i just asked the sponsor and i'm awaiting the answer.

 

[GWP rep]

Im allergic to EO myself

 

[wardog50]

EO can be made from various methods however the most common (cheap) is derived from soy.
Soy itself is a common allergen and is known to be one of the most GMO degraded foods available right now.
EO once made is remarkably similar (actually near identical) to pheremones that bees have and lots of humans are allergic to.
Combine soy and bee allergies and the GMO effect of immune degredation and you have a powerful mix that will not be good for a host of people.

Don't get me wrong EO can be totally synthesized without soy and it becomes much less of a problem. However you still deal with the pheremone angle as well as the fact that it degrades plastics and rubbers very rapidly (ethyl oleate is an acid) (condensed oleic acid).
If it degrades these things so quickly then what is it doing internaly to your physiology?
Grapeseed and other oils are actually very high in oleic acids and the ethyl oleate can be extracted from them. Or you can just select an oil high in them and stay away from ethyl oleate.

One thing to keep in mind about allergens like bee pheremones and soy is that you may not be allergic now but after repeated exposure your body will fight it harder and harder and make more and more antigen antibodies.
Eventually the reaction some people will get will be very unpleasant.

I have recently become very allergic to soy and had an allergen specialist explain the dangers of exposure to GMOs and that it may have caused my late in life allergy.

Most people probably have no issue with it and may be fine with repeated exposures. Some small percentage is going to have some very uncomfortable problems with it though.

On a positive note some literature shows oleic acid when consumed as a food such as fish oil to be very good for you.
Of course the source of the oleic acid may or may not play a role and also the route of administration may or may not change effects to some degree.

I know Im going to get flamed for putting this up but I feel its worth it. Just in case someone with one of these allergies was considering use and hadn't realized the allergen connection.


So I guess a pros/cons list would go like this from me:

Pros:
1.High MG concentrations possible.
2.Possibly painless (as long as you have no reaction)
3.Thin viscosity allows for smaller needle bore for easier administration.
4.Possibly may have positive inluence on cholesterol as seen with fish oils high in oleic acids
Cons:
1. Possibly sourced from inferior GMO Soy causing immune system degredation
2. Possible allergen reaction to soy and/or bee pheremones.
3. Possible acidic effect or reaction in the body as demonstrated by septum material degeredation. (I dont think fish oils would do this)
4. Possibly creating an atmosphere to potentiate an allergic reaction which did not exist prior.
5. Can be very painful for some people

Everyone has the right to go about their experiments how they see fit.
I for one do NOT feel the need to experiment with EO.
It also seems odd to me that most UGL's that use it don't have super high concentrations of hormone.


War

 

[morepain]

Could you elaborate on the reaction you had?
QUOTE]

I felt like shiat on it, like I had the flu the whole time, no energy at all. I don't like EO at all. Now some of my friends used the same stuff, no problems at all. I think each person is different.

EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM....that being said it is a minority of us that experience it

 

[morepain]

Some of us guys that are bigger and/or been in the game awhile use higher levels of gear. Its simple. So for me, EO is great bc I can make 400mg/ml or 500mg/ml or even a 600mg/ml test. Although it does eat the rubber on a plunger, so its a bitch making your own gear with EO. I use 35%.

2% Ba
15% Bb
35% EO
Rest is grapeseed oil.

Well i have been "in the game" for over 30 years and for a good portion of those years was nearly 300lbs. I went thru the whole fascination with mega dosed products and then realized it really did nothing for me except perhaps make me feel like shit all the time (even years before EO). I realized early on that i could maintain 280 plus on a gram a week and if i couldn;t i was doing something VERY wrong diet/supplementation/training wise. no offense to you becasue i get what you are saying i just hate it when guys equate their dramatic overusage of anabolics with their experience level.

 

[rocco-x]

i like it only cause it runs smooth as water.i never get a bad reaction from it except with tren made in EO.feels like my whole body is on fire from my eyeballs to my toes.i can't be hitting a nerve or a blood supply EVERYTIME i use it.i've been using Dragon Pharm cyp,mast,prop and tried the tren.only the tren hurt like a bithch.i'd prefer it be made with a lower amount of EO instead of 32% and add a bit more mct or GSO to it.
good ugl's like DP and Endosyn use silicone stoppers to prevent the problem of the EO eating away at them.