getting ideas

[mrsoul]

i have decided to do my first cycle. i plan on starting right after thanksgiving and want to gain some mass, but i don't want to gain alot of fat. 4 months ago i was 261lbs, 18%bf. i am now 235 11%. i am really cutting (naturally) hard until after thanksgiving, and have started doing cardio twice a day ( morning on empty stomach) and evening after workouts. i have done some research and this is what i have come up with. also i am including a picture from last month to show what i am starting with.

wks 1-12- test e, 500mg wk
wks 1-6- t-bol 40mg ed
wks 1-10- deca, 400 mg wk
wks 1-12- proviron 25md ed

still not sure on what to run with to prevent gyno, or any other sides.
pct
wk 15- clomid 150mg ed
wk 16- 100 mg ed
wk 17- 50 mg ed

 

[K1]

i have decided to do my first cycle. i plan on starting right after thanksgiving and want to gain some mass, but i don't want to gain alot of fat. 4 months ago i was 261lbs, 18%bf. i am now 235 11%. i am really cutting (naturally) hard until after thanksgiving, and have started doing cardio twice a day ( morning on empty stomach) and evening after workouts. i have done some research and this is what i have come up with. also i am including a picture from last month to show what i am starting with.

wks 1-12- test e, 500mg wk Leave the same
wks 1-6- t-bol 40mg ed Leave the same
wks 1-10- deca, 400 mg wk Drop this, not needed for a first cycle

Keep extra Nolva on hand in case of signs of gyno
still not sure on what to run with to prevent gyno, or any other sides.
pct
wk 15- clomid 150mg ed
wk 16- 100 mg ed
wk 17- 50 mg ed
pct as such:
wk15 Clom 100mg- Nolva 40mg/ed
wk16 Clom 50mg-Nolva 30mg/ed
wk17 Clom 50mg-Nolva 20mg/ed

Suggestions in red...........

 

[TS]

my suggestion: DON'T CYCLE

you can gain a lot more muscle by simpely adjusting and improving your diet.

maybe you can post your diet and we can help you with that

 

[mrsoul]

my suggestion: DON'T CYCLE

you can gain a lot more muscle by simpely adjusting and improving your diet.

maybe you can post your diet and we can help you with that

like i said i am cutting right now so here is my diet for this week
pre- workout- 1 scoop isopure (50 g protein,0 carb. 0 fat) 1 serv. stimerex, l glut, amino

post workout- 1/2 med. whole wheat bagel with sugar free jam, 2 1/2 serv. isopure, 1 serv. multi, l gult, amino

mid morning- 1/4 cup (pre-cooked) oatmeal, 1 1/12 serv. isopure

lunch- 1 can tuna, 1 slice whole wheat, 1 cup salad

afternoon- 6 oz. roast beef, 1 serv. isopure, 1 serv. stimerex

dinner- 10 oz. grilled sole, 1/4 cup brown rice, 16 spears asparagus

bedtime- 1 serv. isopure, 1/2 tbspoon natural peanut butter.

i certainly plan on increasing calories with more clean food once bodyfat is in single digits. cardio twice a day right now and hope to get down another 10 lbs of fat before bulking.

 

[mrsoul]

i am in no hurry, if it is best to wait i will. would like to get some ideas then on how to bulk natty.

 

[BOOMSHAKER]

MrSoul, how old are you bro?? (just curious)

 

[mrsoul]

35

 

[TS]

you need to change your diet, more rice, chicken, oatmeal, tuna,eggs enz.

if you want i can help you making the diet.

 

[mrsoul]

my diet changes every week. like i said, i am cutting and trying to lower bf% as much as possible until thanksgiving. then my diet would look something like this. this is what it looked like before i started cutting.

pre- workout- 1 serv. protein, glut. amino's.

post workout- 1 1/2 serv. protein ( 50 g. per serv.) glut, amino;s, multi.
4 rice cakes with sugar free jelly.

mid morning- 6 egg whites, 1/2 cup oatmeal, 1 serv. protein

lunch- 8 oz. turkey, 2 slices whole wheat bread, low fat fruit yougurt.

afternoon- 6 oz. chicken breast

dinner- 8 oz. lean ground beef, 1/2 onion, i whole wheat flour tortilla,
1/2 cup black beans with salsa

bedtime- 1 scoop protein with natural peanut butter ( 1 tbspoon.)

 

[BOOMSHAKER]

35

Thats cool, I didnt want to assume you were under 20 and asking for some AAS advice. (thank you)

 

[mrsoul]

guys, i am open to any suggestions as far as what my next move should be, natty, cycle, diet training.

 

[BOOMSHAKER]

You posted diet, now can you post up a few weight routines, sets, reps, weights? Lets go from there.

 

[mrsoul]

You posted diet, now can you post up a few weight routines, sets, reps, weights? Lets go from there.

here is an example week. my workouts are first thing in the morning. when i am not cutting so much, i do weights in the morning 4 times a week and cardio 3-4 times a week.
mon- chest and tri's
smith flat bench
2 warmup sets bar only
1 warmup set - 12-15 reps
3 sets 8-10 reps
1 set- 6-8 reps

dumbell flyes, flat bench
3 sets of 10-12

universal machine press, upper grip for incline,
2 sets -10
1 strip set- 10, 8, 8

incline dumbell behind the neck presses
1 warmup set
3 sets of 8-10

press downs
3 sets of 8-10
1 strip set 10-8-8

 

[mrsoul]

tues back, bi's and abs
lat pulldowns
2 warmup sets 12-15
3 sets- 8-10

tbar rows
4 sets 8-10

wide grip pullups
3 sets to failure (usually 6) then hold and slowly come down for negative 10 count
straight bar curls
1 warm up
3 sets 8-10

seated preacher curls
3 sets 8-10

dumbell hammer curl dropsets
2 sets- 10, 10, 10

ab roller 3 sets 10

 

[mrsoul]

wed off.
thurs day shoulders and traps

seated side laterals
2 warmup sets of 15
3 sets- 8-10

arnolds- 3 stes of 8-10

front raises drop sets.
seated start with a 45 plate rep to failure, 35 plate rep to failure, 25 plate to failure. 2 sets.

bent over flyes
3 sets of 8-10

dumbell shrugs
rear, side, front, no rest in between 3 sets 10 each.
cable shrugs 3 sets 8-10

 

[mrsoul]

fri legs
2 sets ball squats warmup
smith squats, narrow stance, feet forward ass all the way down
4 sets 8-10

dumbell straight leggs
3 sets of10

leg extensions superset with dumbell walking lunges
10-12 reps on extensions, grap 30 lb dumbells and walking lunges down the hall and back. 2 sets.

 

[mrsoul]

any ideas? anybody?

 

[RazorCuts]

I think you will find more hypertrophy training a muscle 2x a week but this means cutting back on volume. I would do an upper/lower split. Go to the articles and look for UHT (original) this is a great place to start.
You need to put on more size and i think if you are 11% you should start adding cals or your not going to gain the muscle your after while cutting.
As long as you keep your fat under 15% being natural you should be ok and build mass.
Try adding 250 cals a day to your diet each week until you are gaing at a slow steady pace. It could be an extra protien drink or a handful of almonds.
Once you have maxed out your natural growth then think of AAS.This can be another year or 2.

 

[mrsoul]

I think you will find more hypertrophy training a muscle 2x a week but this means cutting back on volume. I would do an upper/lower split. Go to the articles and look for UHT (original) this is a great place to start.
You need to put on more size and i think if you are 11% you should start adding cals or your not going to gain the muscle your after while cutting.
As long as you keep your fat under 15% being natural you should be ok and build mass.
Try adding 250 cals a day to your diet each week until you are gaing at a slow steady pace. It could be an extra protien drink or a handful of almonds.
Once you have maxed out your natural growth then think of AAS.This can be another year or 2.

thanks alot. will check out those articles.