Gf's post contest health issues and bloodwork (need advice)

[bca21]

Is everyone looking over the fact that she was on low carbs and 800 calories? Her metabolism is fucked, and her thyroid is hating hating life.

 

[johnjuanb1]

she's probably having takeout/snacks on top of the 1300 calories


I've noticed that a lot of gals tend to do this stuff



one fat girl told me that she "thought if no one saw her eat it, then it was like she didn't eat it".


...yeah....let that sink in for a moment.



sounds funny to us, but these sorts of delusions are not terribly uncommon.

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to see it fall, did the tree really fall?

Schrödinger's cat: a cat, a flask of poison, and a radioactive source are placed in a sealed box. If an internal monitor detects radioactivity (i.e., a single atom decaying), the flask is shattered, releasing the poison that kills the cat. The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics implies that after a while, the cat is simultaneously alive and dead. Yet, when one looks in the box, one sees the cat either alive or dead, not both alive and dead. This poses the question of when exactly quantum superposition ends and reality collapses into one possibility or the other.

 

[Flex500]

My gf is suffering from some serious post contest rebound issues. She had blood work done and obviously has some issues. I am looking for some advice on how to resolve/repair the issues. Anyway this is the story...

I met my girlfriend backstage at a show where we both competed in the summer of 2015. We began dating a few months later. Now when we started dating, she was much heavier than her competition weight. I'm talking 40 lbs heavier and she is 5'3". She was miserable with her weight gain. I asked her what had happened. Basically, she had a coach that dieted her on 800 calories with very little fat or carbs. She dieted like this for over 6 months. Immediately I figured she probably did some damage to her metabolism. She remained heavy for a few more months until we started prepping for two shows in 2016. I helped her with her prep this year. It was very difficult to pull weight off and we ended up with a low carb, moderate fat, high protein diet. 150g protein 30g carbs 50g fat per day with a re-feed once a week. Everything progressed slowly but she did make improvements. We decided to add T-3 at 25mcg a day and suddenly everything seemed to fall into place. Now we were already using 20mg var a day and 1.5iu gh but even that didn't seem to do much until we added in the t-3. She ended up looking great for her shows. She won her class in open figure in one and took 3rd in a stacked class of 12 in another.

Fast forward to post contest. We planned on reverse dieting, which we did to an extent. We tapered off all supplements. She immediately started gaining weight fast. I know what she was eating and it was far from perfect but wasn't bad either. She went back to a strict diet of 1300 calories. still gained weight. She ended up right back to where she started and became extremely depressed. 7 weeks post contest, we had blood work done. Her thyroid seems fucked. Now before anyone screams it was the T-3, she had the same problem the previous year and she was 100% natural then. She saw a Dr. who referred her to a specialist. The damn specialist cant see her until Jan 2017! I am attaching the blood work. Anyone with any advice please help!!! I cannot deal with my depressed, emotional train wreck gf anymore.. I need her to get this weight gain under control.

There is something more going on here. Her thyroid numbers are not that bad at all. I have a useless thyroid and goal for me is to be somewhere in between 1.8 and 2.5. That is "goal" for most on thyroid meds for an optimal metabolism and I see an awesome endo. I had throyd numbers of 5 and 6 at one point and I'd still lose weight on the kind of deficit you are describing.

Do you have before bloodwork? I mean was her TSH 0.20 and now it's 2.5? That would be quite a swing but she still wouldn't gain 40 pounds eating 1300 calories. Just not going to happen.

I'm jealous of her HDL. Yeah LDL a little high but I bet her lipid profile ends up being just fine.

 

[Flex500]

Is everyone looking over the fact that she was on low carbs and 800 calories? Her metabolism is fucked, and her thyroid is hating hating life.

her thyroid numbers are not that bad at all. I've seen women do that and their TSH levels are at 8-10...her's is 2.4 or so. She has functioning thyroid in fact I'd guess it is closing to functioning to normal for her.

Plenty of "normal" women have those thyroid numbers.

 

[Kaladryn]

Many people cannot handle low carb diets.

You cannot stick to a diet if the cravings become to high, it isn't possible for anyone.

A lot of people NEED a macronutrient balanced diet.

Elevated BUN is a classic sign of too much protein, too little carbs.

I'm just going off my own experience and my wife's experience. What you need is a trainer who works with a lot of female athletes IMO, a specialist.

 

[pesty4077]

Is everyone looking over the fact that she was on low carbs and 800 calories? Her metabolism is fucked, and her thyroid is hating hating life.

No, I mention that

 

[machinemind]

I'm really not seeing a problem here.

What did the physician say?

 

[eaglecall]

I forsee a physician being completely useless here as in most of the time, because physicians MD are allopathic medicine. That means, besides testing and giving numbers, their way to proceed is to throw a drug on her. That drug will cure NOTHING, it will only treat a symptom potentially causing catastrophic side effects in the short and/or long term. Underlying condition will still be there because it hasn't been addressed but the right specialist. MD's ARE NOT the right specialists for chronic conditions.

Her solution will probably be to get out of every single shit she's taking. Go to a functional medicine doctor, or naturopathic doctor, get tested for nutrients and stick to a strict healthy diet and asses results at 4-6-8 months. Diet of course must be supplemented with vitamins, minerals, amino acids, fatty acids, antioxidants, since all these essential nutrients DO NOT EXIST anymore in the food in the same quantities as before needed for proper function of the human body.

 

[g.r.o.w.t.h.]

In my opinion all the symptoms are related to a body low in nutrients. Of course with our current corrupt for profit medical system, if you take her to a doctor she will put on drugs (on top of the drugs she's been already using) drugs don't cure anything, they only treat symptoms. Underlying condition still there.

Her symtoms and numbers are a CHRONIC condition. And Allopathic doctor (MD) has no training nor knowledge to cure chronic diseases. Allopathic medicine inly treat symptoms through drugs/surgery. Thats it.

How much selenium is she consuming per day? Make sure her diet has plenty of veggies, ORGANIC NON GMO, make sure she stops eating gluten, eats good fats and cholesterol, avoid oils. Supplement (natural supplements, not anabolic steroids) with organic non gmo whole food vitamins, liquid colloidal trace minerals, amino acids, fatty acids, and extra organic selenium besides diet.

I like the way you think.

 

[g.r.o.w.t.h.]

Stop with the up and down diets for 1 thing. Get on a regular balanced meal approach and eat that all year. Stop shoveling drugs in to compensate a bad Diet. You can not starve the body that long without some adverse effect. I see her T4 levels are low and test levels. I am not going to give any Doctor advice, but she should see him to address both things. The other stuff is very fixable. Get some cucurmin and citrus berganot, add a lot more fruits and veggies in her diet or get some super greens and reds. I think that will balance your cholesterol. Your liver get a good liver aid. Get off the orals.

Drugs were never shoveled into her to compensate for a bad diet, they were for contest prep. She is off of everything now and has been since her last show 9 weeks ago. She is currently eating a balanced diet and still gaining weight, that is the concern. Cholesterol is being addressed much like you just recommended. Liver values were barely elevated and not a concern. If memory serves me correctly, we trained the night before she had the blood work done.

 

[g.r.o.w.t.h.]

It's weird to me that her TSH is in range but her hormones are low... how long after she stopped t3 were these labs drawn?

The test drop could certainly be from the var as well as the cholesterol and liver values.

Her BUN being high is the most worrisome. What is her blood pressure like?

My 2 cents would be this:
she needs to get off any and all anabolics or other drugs for a good 6 to 8 weeks. During that time she should be getting daily cardio, like 30-45 min. LISS.
Along with that 3 or 4 days a week of weight training. Not too crazy high in volume but not quite HIT either. She should take health supps like liver aids and multi vitamin along with a balanced diet.

Get labs re-done at the end of this time period and re-assess.

She had been off everything, t-3, aas, all of it for about 6-7 weeks before getting the blood work done. She is still off of everything. Blood pressure actually runs low. Like 110/65 if I remember correctly. Her diet is high in protein. 1-1.25g per lb of body weight. Maybe that is why BUN is high?

 

[g.r.o.w.t.h.]

^^^^^^
Selenium helps convert T4 into T3. Without selenium it gets converted to Reverse T3 which is useless.



I agree, get her off everything first and add more variety to her diet. Give it about 6-8 weeks and get more labs done.

Like someone already said if you go see a doc, he prescribe some unneeded thyroid meds, which would plummet her natural thyroid levels.

*I can't see the labs posted for some reason on my phone**

Make sure to Test for the following.

TSH
free T3
Free T4
Magnesium
B12
Zinc
Iodine
Selenium
Vit C & D

*low in Vit D, B12 & magnesium have been shown to cause depression **

I'm not a doctor of some sort, this is just from my experience as of lately.


Sent from Men's Correctional Facility.

She has been off everything since her last show 9 weeks ago. T-4 tested low. TSH was in range. Didn't test for vit D but she does supplement with 5000iu daily. Don't think the other stuff you listed was tested for.

 

[g.r.o.w.t.h.]

There is something more going on here. Her thyroid numbers are not that bad at all. I have a useless thyroid and goal for me is to be somewhere in between 1.8 and 2.5. That is "goal" for most on thyroid meds for an optimal metabolism and I see an awesome endo. I had throyd numbers of 5 and 6 at one point and I'd still lose weight on the kind of deficit you are describing.

Do you have before bloodwork? I mean was her TSH 0.20 and now it's 2.5? That would be quite a swing but she still wouldn't gain 40 pounds eating 1300 calories. Just not going to happen.

I'm jealous of her HDL. Yeah LDL a little high but I bet her lipid profile ends up being just fine.

No previous blood work. Had this blood work done because of the issues described. Do not have a reference point from before she started having weight issues.

 

[g.r.o.w.t.h.]

Many people cannot handle low carb diets.

You cannot stick to a diet if the cravings become to high, it isn't possible for anyone.

A lot of people NEED a macronutrient balanced diet.

Elevated BUN is a classic sign of too much protein, too little carbs.

I'm just going off my own experience and my wife's experience. What you need is a trainer who works with a lot of female athletes IMO, a specialist.

She is more balanced with her macros now. We did the low carb diet for contest prep out of necessity. Initially she tried 33/33/33 macro ratio and it didn't work. It wasn't until we lowered the carbs and raised the fats that the fat started coming off. Funny you mention a trainer, I Am attempting to talk her into hiring with Shelby.

 

[npcout]

It's weird to me that her TSH is in range but her hormones are low... how long after she stopped t3 were these labs drawn?

The test drop could certainly be from the var as well as the cholesterol and liver values.

Her BUN being high is the most worrisome. What is her blood pressure like?

My 2 cents would be this:
she needs to get off any and all anabolics or other drugs for a good 6 to 8 weeks. During that time she should be getting daily cardio, like 30-45 min. LISS.
Along with that 3 or 4 days a week of weight training. Not too crazy high in volume but not quite HIT either. She should take health supps like liver aids and multi vitamin along with a balanced diet.

Get labs re-done at the end of this time period and re-assess.

Not really in regards to the thyroid. Your tsh is a value of your bodies abiity and desire to produce thyroid hormones. All her values together show her thyroid is still a tad shut down from T3 but with a tsh of 2, her body is currently in the process of rebounding and has the capability to do so.

Her BUN isn't a huge concern considering her creatinine and electrolytes are balanced. She may of had a high protein meal prior. LDL is a bit high for a relatively clean diet.

I'd say (guess) it is moreso related to her low testosterone levels. Yes females need test. I'm not saying sky high levels rather a little more in the middle range and above.

Blood sugar is a little high also, again indicates her diet may not be as clean as you think. Tell her to get a hemaglobin a1c done. A cortisol level might be a good idea also. She competed, her body was under stress. Excessive cortisol can be an issue also.

 

[Rex Feral]

she's probably having takeout/snacks on top of the 1300 calories


I've noticed that a lot of gals tend to do this stuff



one fat girl told me that she "thought if no one saw her eat it, then it was like she didn't eat it".


...yeah....let that sink in for a moment.



sounds funny to us, but these sorts of delusions are not terribly uncommon.

A young girl with a LDL of 230 on 1300 kcal. I'm leaning towards this. Intake you don't know about.

Rex.

 

[Kaladryn]

Initially she tried 33/33/33 macro ratio and it didn't work.

That would mean total calories are too low.

A young girl with a LDL of 230 on 1300 kcal. I'm leaning towards this. Intake you don't know about.

Rex.

Not sure what the LDL connection is, only 20% of cholesterol is dietary.

 

[machinemind]

Not sure what the LDL connection is, only 20% of cholesterol is dietary.

or perhaps even less

the overriding principle in this thread is overanalyzing things that are of no issue whatsoever in a true professional's mind

 

[eaglecall]

High cholesterol levels, in this case LDL, with a low dietary cholesterol intake, is a clear indication of an underlying condition. Most of the time, inflammation, oxidative damage. Free radicals either from toxic food, drugs, severe stress, and the most important, LACK OF ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS. Besides eliminating the sources of oxidation like stress, drugs and perhaps something in the diet, proper essential nutrients MUST be present to repair the walls of the arteries. Nutrients like L-lysine, vitamin C, vitamin K2 play an important role in this, plus AT LEAST 200,000 ORAC points of antioxidants a day including selenium. When they are not present in the right amounts, the body as a last resort increase production of cholesterol, low density lipoprotein, and carry it to patch the arteries from the inside. When the underlying condition is never addressed, which we never do due to a complete corrupt for profit medial system, eventually arteries get clogged from so much cholesterol buildup and calcified. Underlying chronic issue, Nutrition. MD's ARE NOT the specialists for this. The right feel for nutrition and cure chronic diseases is Naturopathic Doctors. They are only licensed to practice in 16 states. Theres or system setup.

 

[Kaladryn]

High cholesterol levels, in this case LDL, with a low dietary cholesterol intake, is a clear indication of an underlying condition. Most of the time, inflammation, oxidative damage. Free radicals either from toxic food, drugs, severe stress, and the most important, LACK OF ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS. Besides eliminating the sources of oxidation like stress, drugs and perhaps something in the diet, proper essential nutrients MUST be present to repair the walls of the arteries. Nutrients like L-lysine, vitamin C, vitamin K2 play an important role in this, plus AT LEAST 200,000 ORAC points of antioxidants a day including selenium. When they are not present in the right amounts, the body as a last resort increase production of cholesterol, low density lipoprotein, and carry it to patch the arteries from the inside. When the underlying condition is never addressed, which we never do due to a complete corrupt for profit medial system, eventually arteries get clogged from so much cholesterol buildup and calcified. Underlying chronic issue, Nutrition. MD's ARE NOT the specialists for this. The right feel for nutrition and cure chronic diseases is Naturopathic Doctors. They are only licensed to practice in 16 states. Theres or system setup.

seriously? this is all alt-doc salesmanship

Her LDL is elevated from androgen dominance. And btw, that doesn't mean her cholesterol is high, it isn't despite being slightly above the normal range, that isn't high, it just means the amount of cholesterol being carried by LDL is high, and it's not that high, pretty standard for androgen use.