GH Ruining Sleep

[ronnie-eats-burgers]

First time. Running 4 IU for 4-5 weeks now.
Everyone says your deep-sleep skyrockets, but I'm experiencing the opposite. Harder to get to sleep, sometimes takes 3/4 hours, and if I wake up during, it's hard to get back down.

Initially pinned in the evening and thought that's what causing it. Switched to fasted in the morning and same thing.
I was out of town for the holidays and missed a week and went back to some heavenly sleep, so I'm fairly certain it's the GH now.

Any advice on how to sleep well with it? I'd love the fat loss benefits, but it's not worth taking all the sleep pills to offset it (Assume I have access to every pill: mirz, traz, ambien, etc.)

Also running 400 Test, 400 Primo, 25 Var, 1/2 arimidex, caber, and HCG on a ~20 week cycle for context.
Thanks brothers

 

[M@NU]

are you sure its the hgh and not the var?
anavar wrecks my sleep even at 20mg daily

 

[Mufasa123]

I have this reaction to hgh. It's not the most common but a few guys here have posted the same. Had to take it in the AM on waking and away from bed. Eventually I guess I got accustomed to it and could take it at night but that was 6+ months out. None of us know why. Some people it just hits different. Sucks as I really wanted to get that deep sleep everyone raves about.

 

[Alzadosghost]

It interfered with my sleep too. No one I know says it helps them sleep I don’t know where that comes from. Especially after hearing they used it in the morning. There no fucking way a morning dose is going to help you sleep 12 hours after you take it. It’s long gone by then. Anyone agree?

 

[Alzadosghost]

I a look so hear people saying they can feel the hgh and it gives them massive energy. I’m calling bullshit in this one. Iv taken 10ius at a time alot and never felt a fucking thing. It’s not meth people. People say the wildest shit that are not in tune with their bodies. Probably just read that shit in the net and copied and pasted it like a lot of clown fucks do and call it their idea. World is chocked full of liars now. It’s alone seemed socially acceptable. Same clown fucks that out filters in their pie and actually believe peopie but it. The millennials buy everything that I do know.

 

[buck]

Have you run all those compounds other then the GH at those doses in the past with no issues. If not then i would take a wider view to what might be causing the problem.

 

[Oakley6575]

I have the same sleep issues if I take GH at bedtime. If I move it to early in the day, I sleep like a baby most nights. I train at 9:30am so on training days, so I take GH IM before I train and right after I train. On rest days, I take it as soon as I wake up IM and do fasted cardio 60-90 minutes later.

Having my doses early in the day seems to fix the sleep issues for me. I thought i was the only person in the world who didn't sleep better on GH. Good to see I'm not.

 

[Spiro]

I have this reaction to hgh. It's not the most common but a few guys here have posted the same. Had to take it in the AM on waking and away from bed. Eventually I guess I got accustomed to it and could take it at night but that was 6+ months out. None of us know why. Some people it just hits different. Sucks as I really wanted to get that deep sleep everyone raves about.

Im the same, take it prewourkout on training days and morning on rest days, if i take it beofer sleep i have trouble sleeping

 

[RandomLifter]

Can’t take HGH before bed. I have an Oura that tracks sleep, etc and it drives my RHR up about 7-10. Furthermore, when I wore a CGM, it would drive my glucose up at night.

Doesn’t affect either in the morning. Not sure what causes it.

 

[Sectør]

Some people it helps with sleep, others it doesn’t (and can make it worse). Seems to be very individualized

Also.. why are taking caber?

 

[PissedPajamas]

I a look so hear people saying they can feel the hgh and it gives them massive energy. I’m calling bullshit in this one. Iv taken 10ius at a time alot and never felt a fucking thing. It’s not meth people. People say the wildest shit that are not in tune with their bodies. Probably just read that shit in the net and copied and pasted it like a lot of clown fucks do and call it their idea. World is chocked full of liars now. It’s alone seemed socially acceptable. Same clown fucks that out filters in their pie and actually believe peopie but it. The millennials buy everything that I do know.

The only thing I’ve felt with high dose GH was carpal tunnel, a huge desire to take a nap in traffic, and ridiculous pumps the moment I touched a dumbbell

GH also ruins my sleep and I’ve posted about the mechanism for why this happens on the GH thread. I take all my shots before 1-2pm and IM only, makes it easier to fall and stay asleep at night

 

[ronnie-eats-burgers]

The only thing I’ve felt with high dose GH was carpal tunnel, a huge desire to take a nap in traffic, and ridiculous pumps the moment I touched a dumbbell

GH also ruins my sleep and I’ve posted about the mechanism for why this happens on the GH thread. I take all my shots before 1-2pm and IM only, makes it easier to fall and stay asleep at night

why im? with an insulin syringe? do you mix it with other compounds in the same syringe? the only thing it's got going for it now is how easy it is to inject, so i don't wanna take that away haha
can't see the post. what's the mechanism?
i take mine fasted at 8/9am and it still makes my sleep crap.

 

[gauge22-v2]

First time. Running 4 IU for 4-5 weeks now.
Everyone says your deep-sleep skyrockets, but I'm experiencing the opposite. Harder to get to sleep, sometimes takes 3/4 hours, and if I wake up during, it's hard to get back down.

Initially pinned in the evening and thought that's what causing it. Switched to fasted in the morning and same thing.
I was out of town for the holidays and missed a week and went back to some heavenly sleep, so I'm fairly certain it's the GH now.

Any advice on how to sleep well with it? I'd love the fat loss benefits, but it's not worth taking all the sleep pills to offset it (Assume I have access to every pill: mirz, traz, ambien, etc.)

Also running 400 Test, 400 Primo, 25 Var, 1/2 arimidex, caber, and HCG on a ~20 week cycle for context.
Thanks brothers

What is your estrogen at? I crashed mine once and my sleep was even worse (I struggle with sleep a ton).

fwiw - I think GH at that level the "fat loss benefits" are miniscule...

 

[SAVAGEPMHNP]

Half-life of GH is short. If you are taking it first thing in the morning and still not sleeping well it’s highly unlikely it’s the GH. Also, I don’t know if I’d be starting at 4 IUs if it’s your first time using it.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

i take mine fasted at 8/9am and it still makes my sleep crap.

This right here means it’s 1000% NOT the GH.

 

[M@NU]

I still bet its the var.
if i already have a good dosage of DHT in my cycle and i add in var even at 20mg, my sleep goes to dogshit

 

[Hyperemia]

Personally anything that raises my rhr, will mess with my sleep. GH does raise my rhr, especially at higher doses. High doses of AAS do the same thing. I take nebivolol at bed to counter the rise in rhr and sleep just fine now. You have to decide if you want to throw more drugs at it or reduce/stop taking it if your issue is anything like mine.

 

[Black Beard]

First time. Running 4 IU for 4-5 weeks now.
Everyone says your deep-sleep skyrockets, but I'm experiencing the opposite. Harder to get to sleep, sometimes takes 3/4 hours, and if I wake up during, it's hard to get back down.

Initially pinned in the evening and thought that's what causing it. Switched to fasted in the morning and same thing.
I was out of town for the holidays and missed a week and went back to some heavenly sleep, so I'm fairly certain it's the GH now.

Any advice on how to sleep well with it? I'd love the fat loss benefits, but it's not worth taking all the sleep pills to offset it (Assume I have access to every pill: mirz, traz, ambien, etc.)

Also running 400 Test, 400 Primo, 25 Var, 1/2 arimidex, caber, and HCG on a ~20 week cycle for context.
Thanks brothers

Lower dosage and take in the AM. Are you running SQ or IM?


@Alzadosghost For sure, AM = amazing sleep in my experience as well ( i get horrible sleep with late evening GH. Needs to be 6 PM latest). Hormones send signals to our cells that are often delayed. That's why taking an anabolic steroid takes 2-4 weeks minimum to even "feel" or see anything even with frontloading dosages. (These are called genomic effects). I don't think the AM GH sleep benefit is a genomic effect though, it's something else.


An interesting fact is that before we hit our 30s, we make HGH all day. once we hit around 30, most of our GH is only secreted in a big pulse after falling asleep. There's something to being young and having GH in your bloodstream in the morning and daytime. This is super important for Non-genomic effects. (like nitric oxide increase = better erections being one example)

 

[Sectør]

Idk how you AM GH guys do it

Anytime I’ve dosed my gh early in the day, the rest of the day I’m just lethargic and tired as hell.

 

[PissedPajamas]

why im? with an insulin syringe? do you mix it with other compounds in the same syringe? the only thing it's got going for it now is how easy it is to inject, so i don't wanna take that away haha
can't see the post. what's the mechanism?
i take mine fasted at 8/9am and it still makes my sleep crap.

I prefer a faster peak. Scott Stevenson has some cool info on why IM trumps subq and it has to do with higher peaks for longer in serum but he can explain it better than me

High GH doses indirectly increase ACTH which increases cortisol secretion. Coupled with any other medication that work through cortisol pathways (ex: retatrutide’s glucagon agonism directly increases cortisol secretion) you have a recipe for a shift in circadian rhythm and a wired feeling at night.

I couldn’t tolerate retatrutide on 15iu GH because it gave me insomnia, but when I went down to 7.5iu’s I could take Reta without an issue