Good oral to go with Equipoise Cycle?

[killerphysique]

if you're sensitive to androgenic orals, i'd stick with the anavar but run it for longer. It's extremely low toxicity and doesn't effect HPTA function, so it's kind of the holy grail of orals in the respect you can stay on it for quite a while without negative sides. I'd run it at least 3 months for some quality lean hard gains

 

[greaser13]

Just an update: I decided to take everyone's advice and spring for another bottle of EQ, so I will now be doing 15 weeks of EQ at 600mg/week, along with 125mg/week of Test E (just replacement level) and I'll also be running sponsor Lightning Fast's Tbol for the last weeks weeks (right up to PCT). I've never run Tbol before, so I'm not sure about the dosage yet.

So far, I'm 4 weeks in. I haven't noticed anything yet, but I was also sick for the past 2 weeks, which was terrible timing! :banghead:

 

[Pragmatist]

How'd your cycle workout for you?

 

[greaser13]

How'd your cycle workout for you?

Sorry -- I didn't see this until just now.

It was an interesting cycle -- very different from my previous ones. I got pretty sick for a few weeks early on, but decided to stick with the cycle.

I had zero sides and never felt any lethargy, which I used to get when I just ran oral PH/DS in the past. The gains are really gradual and it takes a long time to kick in. You will notice an increase in vascularity at about 6-8 weeks. I ran it for 15 weeks total, with Tbol for the last 5 weeks and Test E just at TRT levels throughout the cycle. I also took HCG at 250mgs every 4 days until the last 2 weeks of the cycle.

As I said, the gains are very gradual, so if you're just going by your reflection you might not notice much, but if you take measurements and before and after pics you'll see the difference.

PCT (clomid and nolva) was incredibly smooth and easy. I was worried about recovery because I'd never run a cycle that long before. I got blood work done 3 weeks into PCT and my test was already at 721 ng/dl with normal LH and FSH.

I think if I were to do it again I'd kick it off with an oral, but because the EQ takes so long to start working. But if you're patient and don't expect instant results, it's a good compound.

 

[Millineum Man]

Sorry -- I didn't see this until just now.

It was an interesting cycle -- very different from my previous ones. I got pretty sick for a few weeks early on, but decided to stick with the cycle.

I had zero sides and never felt any lethargy, which I used to get when I just ran oral PH/DS in the past. The gains are really gradual and it takes a long time to kick in. You will notice an increase in vascularity at about 6-8 weeks. I ran it for 15 weeks total, with Tbol for the last 5 weeks and Test E just at TRT levels throughout the cycle. I also took HCG at 250mgs every 4 days until the last 2 weeks of the cycle.

As I said, the gains are very gradual, so if you're just going by your reflection you might not notice much, but if you take measurements and before and after pics you'll see the difference.

PCT (clomid and nolva) was incredibly smooth and easy. I was worried about recovery because I'd never run a cycle that long before. I got blood work done 3 weeks into PCT and my test was already at 721 ng/dl with normal LH and FSH.

I think if I were to do it again I'd kick it off with an oral, but because the EQ takes so long to start working. But if you're patient and don't expect instant results, it's a good compound.

This is why most guys say they can't can't stand EQ. Takes forever to kick in.

 

[j-pet]

Add in proviron. Makes a good cycle great

 

[Knight9]

Add in proviron. Makes a good cycle great

I don't think that's one of the orals he was contemplating. I'm sure he meant an anabolic oral.

 

[j-pet]

I don't think that's one of the orals he was contemplating. I'm sure he meant an anabolic oral.

Yeah I know but I think it's still worth considering

 

[greaser13]

This is why most guys say they can't can't stand EQ. Takes forever to kick in.

I have no idea about the chemistry involved, but if someone could make EQ with a shorter/quicker esther, I think it would be a fantastic compound and would be much more popular.

 

[chidoman]

Oh, IMO It's fantastic enough, just give it time!
I just finished my first run with it @ 600mgs/week along with 50 mgs generic Proviron ed as well and like the results overall, It's just too bad I ran out of EQ at my 14th week point and would I loved to push it to 16 weeks. At 46 years of age and comparing this cycle to the experience I had with Deca last summer, this one is less suppressive and yielded drier mass and moderate strength gain after week 7, that's just how long it took in my case to stert seeing and feeling results....Damn I wish I'd stocked up on an extra vial, learned my lesson and will run it at 900 mgs next time to test the waters!
What I really loved this compound for was the lack of side effects and along with the addition of Proviron, it helped my free test( or whatever It's left) to maintain a sense of well being and my nuts didn't shrunk all the way like when I did Deca, It's just a different dept. just cope with the tardiness and the gift will come later!

 

[greaser13]

Oh, IMO It's fantastic enough, just give it time!
I just finished my first run with it @ 600mgs/week along with 50 mgs generic Proviron ed as well and like the results overall, It's just too bad I ran out of EQ at my 14th week point and would I loved to push it to 16 weeks. At 46 years of age and comparing this cycle to the experience I had with Deca last summer, this one is less suppressive and yielded drier mass and moderate strength gain after week 7, that's just how long it took in my case to stert seeing and feeling results....Damn I wish I'd stocked up on an extra vial, learned my lesson and will run it at 900 mgs next time to test the waters!
What I really loved this compound for was the lack of side effects and along with the addition of Proviron, it helped my free test( or whatever It's left) to maintain a sense of well being and my nuts didn't shrunk all the way like when I did Deca, It's just a different dept. just cope with the tardiness and the gift will come later!

I definitely enjoyed the results and a complete lack of noticeable sides -- I just wish the results would manifest sooner. I had only done short cycles before with other compounds (6-8 weeks) and I was worried about the effect that a 15 week cycle would have on recovery. I ran HCG for most of the cycle to help keep the boys sensitized and my total test was back in the 700 range after only 3 weeks of PCT (I'm 41 and very happy with test levels in that range) -- so I guess recovery wasn't an issue. I also ran Test E at a low dose through most of the cycle to avoid feeling shut down (really low dose -- basically TRT levels -- 125mgs/week).

I also used 600mgs a week, but maybe a higher dose would be better?

 

[chidoman]

I also used 600mgs a week, but maybe a higher dose would be better?

If you're able to handle it, why not?
I've read many posts about ppl developing anxiety issues with it, IMO, It's a personal experience, nothing else, If you were able to withstand 600mgs. with no issues, next run should be more to get the most benefits out of this compound. I will start at 700 mgs. next time, and thankfully my supplier has a high mg. version of EQ (600mgs./cc) and will test the waters at 900mgs. to see if any sides do develop...On the positive side, This run instinctively made me want to do what I've should have done long time ago, which is DONATE blood, I'm a poor man and didn't get bloods done while on cycle to see if my red blood cell count was high, I just did it and it felt just right and have become a regular donor just for the sake of it, and since I've decided to run EQ more frequently now, It's just an incentive to contribute to the cause. I'm still trying to squeeze the most out of my cycles before I go on trt for life, It's inevitable and the Deca cycle I did last year, has completely changed me and i'm not the same man I was prior to it, It's the price to pay to play in this Game and It is what it is, let's look for alternatives, that's All!

 

[BEASTZ6]

I have been diagnosed with anxiety disorder, for which I take an anitdepression to control it. I pretty much stay on EQ year round at a minimum of 600 mg/wk (my sweet spot). I have gone as hish as 1600mg/wk with no anxiety whatsoever.

 

[greaser13]

I also heard reports of people randomly experiencing anxiety, but I had no emotional side effects of any kind while I was on it. My mood was fine and libido was probably a bit higher than normal. With things like anxiety, I think people can psych themselves into feeling nervous or anxious, plus they were likely running at least one or two other compounds with EQ, so it is quite possible the reported issues with anxiety were either psychosomatic or were maybe related to other compounds.

As far as the allegedly higher blood count, I did notice some increased vascularity, but my BP was always normal (I have a little home test machine) and when I got blood work done 3 weeks into PCT, my blood count was normal.

I'm definitely inclined to try 900mgs, though my source only offers 300mgs/ml, which would make for a pretty hefty injection, if I did it all at once.

 

[FIRE0808]

I loved running Anadrol or Var with Eq.

 

[greaser13]

I loved running Anadrol or Var with Eq.

Was EQ and Var a good combo for cutting?

 

[Millineum Man]

Oh, IMO It's fantastic enough, just give it time!
I just finished my first run with it @ 600mgs/week along with 50 mgs generic Proviron ed as well and like the results overall, It's just too bad I ran out of EQ at my 14th week point and would I loved to push it to 16 weeks. At 46 years of age and comparing this cycle to the experience I had with Deca last summer, this one is less suppressive and yielded drier mass and moderate strength gain after week 7, that's just how long it took in my case to stert seeing and feeling results....Damn I wish I'd stocked up on an extra vial, learned my lesson and will run it at 900 mgs next time to test the waters!
What I really loved this compound for was the lack of side effects and along with the addition of Proviron, it helped my free test( or whatever It's left) to maintain a sense of well being and my nuts didn't shrunk all the way like when I did Deca, It's just a different dept. just cope with the tardiness and the gift will come later!

So, your bodyweight stood the same, but your body composition changed?

 

[mewalrus]

I always at least double my dose of EQ for the first week, and I usually only run it for the first 4 weeks. So if I had 250mg/ml I would probably get 2 vials and run 1500, 1500, 1000, 1000. This way I'm feeling it by week two and that long ass ester will clear by the end of my cycle.

I always figure out how im going to run things using this PCT calculator, you can put different esters in and see for a given dose approximately how much free hormone your getting each day of your cycle, plus you can see how long intil it clears.

Here is an example, for the above 28 day cycle. At day 80 I am still getting about 10 mg free boldenone ED with a total of 150mg still in my body. It doesn't completely clear until almost 120 days. During the peak of the cycle on day 29 I am getting 170mg free boldenone.

**broken link removed**

 

[mewalrus]

Here is the output for 4 weeks at 1500, 1500, 1500, 1500. The injection days are a bit messed up because I put in every 3.5 days trying to get biweekly with 750x2 first 2 weeks and 500x2 last 2 weeks. You get the idea tho.

Post Cycle Therapy / PCT Calculator
Day 1: 0mg T, 750mg E/D/TInjection Day 750
Day 2: 0mg T, 707.9mg E/D/T
Day 3: 0mg T, 668.2mg E/D/T
Day 4: 0mg T, 630.7mg E/D/T
Day 5: 0mg T, 1323.9mg E/D/TInjection Day 750
Day 6: 0mg T, 1249.7mg E/D/T
Day 7: 0mg T, 1179.5mg E/D/T
Day 8: 0mg T, 1863.3mg E/D/TInjection Day 750
Day 9: 0mg T, 1758.7mg E/D/T
Day 10: 0mg T, 1660.1mg E/D/T
Day 11: 0mg T, 1566.8mg E/D/T
Day 12: 0mg T, 2207.5mg E/D/TInjection Day 750
Day 13: 0mg T, 2083.7mg E/D/T
Day 14: 0mg T, 1966.8mg E/D/T
Day 15: 0mg T, 2356.3mg E/D/TInjection Day 500
Day 16: 0mg T, 2224mg E/D/T
Day 17: 0mg T, 2099.2mg E/D/T
Day 18: 0mg T, 2481.3mg E/D/TInjection Day 500
Day 19: 0mg T, 2342.2mg E/D/T
Day 20: 0mg T, 2710.7mg E/D/TInjection Day 500
Day 21: 0mg T, 2558.6mg E/D/T
Day 22: 0mg T, 2414.9mg E/D/T
Day 23: 0mg T, 2779.4mg E/D/TInjection Day 500
Day 24: 0mg T, 2623.4mg E/D/T
Day 25: 0mg T, 2976.1mg E/D/TInjection Day 500
Day 26: 0mg T, 2809.2mg E/D/T
Day 27: 0mg T, 2651.5mg E/D/T
Day 28: 0mg T, 3002.7mg E/D/TInjection Day 500
Day 29: 0mg T, 2834.2mg E/D/T
Day 30: 0mg T, 2675mg E/D/T
Day 31: 0mg T, 2525mg E/D/T
Day 32: 0mg T, 2383.2mg E/D/T
Day 33: 0mg T, 2249.5mg E/D/T
Day 34: 0mg T, 2123.3mg E/D/T
Day 35: 0mg T, 2004mg E/D/T
Day 36: 0mg T, 1891.7mg E/D/T
Day 37: 0mg T, 1785.5mg E/D/T
Day 38: 0mg T, 1685.2mg E/D/T
Day 39: 0mg T, 1590.6mg E/D/T
Day 40: 0mg T, 1501.3mg E/D/T
Day 41: 0mg T, 1417.2mg E/D/T
Day 42: 0mg T, 1337.5mg E/D/T
Day 43: 0mg T, 1262.4mg E/D/T
Day 44: 0mg T, 1191.8mg E/D/T
Day 45: 0mg T, 1124.8mg E/D/T
Day 46: 0mg T, 1061.5mg E/D/T
Day 47: 0mg T, 1001.9mg E/D/T
Day 48: 0mg T, 945.8mg E/D/T
Day 49: 0mg T, 892.8mg E/D/T
Day 50: 0mg T, 842.5mg E/D/T
Day 51: 0mg T, 795.3mg E/D/T
Day 52: 0mg T, 750.6mg E/D/T
Day 53: 0mg T, 708.4mg E/D/T
Day 54: 0mg T, 668.8mg E/D/T
Day 55: 0mg T, 631.2mg E/D/T
Day 56: 0mg T, 595.8mg E/D/T
Day 57: 0mg T, 562.3mg E/D/T
Day 58: 0mg T, 530.8mg E/D/T
Day 59: 0mg T, 501mg E/D/T
Day 60: 0mg T, 472.8mg E/D/T
Day 61: 0mg T, 446.3mg E/D/T
Day 62: 0mg T, 421.4mg E/D/T
Day 63: 0mg T, 397.8mg E/D/T
Day 64: 0mg T, 375.3mg E/D/T
Day 65: 0mg T, 354.3mg E/D/T
Day 66: 0mg T, 334.5mg E/D/T
Day 67: 0mg T, 315.7mg E/D/T
Day 68: 0mg T, 297.8mg E/D/T
Day 69: 0mg T, 281.3mg E/D/T
Day 70: 0mg T, 265.5mg E/D/T
Day 71: 0mg T, 250.6mg E/D/T
Day 72: 0mg T, 236.5mg E/D/T
Day 73: 0mg T, 223.2mg E/D/T
Day 74: 0mg T, 210.8mg E/D/T
Day 75: 0mg T, 198.7mg E/D/T
Day 76: 0mg T, 187.8mg E/D/T
Day 77: 0mg T, 177.2mg E/D/T
Day 78: 0mg T, 167.1mg E/D/T
Day 79: 0mg T, 157.8mg E/D/T
Day 80: 0mg T, 148.9mg E/D/T
Day 81: 0mg T, 140.4mg E/D/T
Day 82: 0mg T, 132.7mg E/D/T
Day 83: 0mg T, 125.3mg E/D/T
Day 84: 0mg T, 118.2mg E/D/T - Start PCT
Day 85: 0mg T, 111.6mg E/D/T - Start PCT
Day 86: 0mg T, 105.1mg E/D/T - Start PCT
Day 87: 0mg T, 99.4mg E/D/T - Start PCT
Day 88: 0mg T, 93.7mg E/D/T - Start PCT
Day 89: 0mg T, 88.6mg E/D/T - Start PCT
Day 90: 0mg T, 83.7mg E/D/T - Start PCT
Day 91: 0mg T, 78.8mg E/D/T
Day 92: 0mg T, 74.6mg E/D/T
Day 93: 0mg T, 70.3mg E/D/T
Day 94: 0mg T, 66.4mg E/D/T

 

[ALLEX]

I have no idea about the chemistry involved, but if someone could make EQ with a shorter/quicker esther, I think it would be a fantastic compound and would be much more popular.

It's been done and most raw sources carry some short ester of boldenone.

Word is that it brings all sorts of sides, very painful to shoot and makes you really sick.