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what is the dose range for this product? I have seen anywhere from 500mcg a day to 1mg a day
anyone have any experience with this?
anyone have any experience with this?
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Metribolone (methyltrienoloneJ
Androgenic 6,000-7,000
Anabolic 12,000-30,000
~ Standard Methyltestosterone (oral)
Chemical Names 17alpha-methyl-17betahydroxyestra-4,9,11-triene-3-one 17alpha-methyl-trenbolone
Estrogenic Activity none
Progestational Activity no data available
Description:Methyltrienolone is one of the strongest oral anabolic steroids ever produced. This agent is a derivative of trenbolone (trienolone), which has been c-17 alpha alkylated to allow for oral administration.This modification has created a steroid that is significantly stronger than its non-methylated cousin. Its potency has been measured to be anywhere from 120-300 times greater than that of methyltestosterone, with greater dissociation between anabolic and androgenic effects.625 626 Milligram for milligram methyltrienolone is a more active steroid than any agent sold on the commercial market, requiring doses as little as .5-1 milligram per day to notice a strong anabolic effect. Its potency is only matched by its relative toxicity, however, which has limited its modern use to that of laboratory research only.
History:
Methyltrienolone was first described in 1965.627 It was immediately identified as an extremely potent anabolic agent, far more potent than the commercially available agents of the time. In spite of its high relative activity, however, methyltrienolone has seen very limited use in humans. It was used clinically during the late 1960's and early '70's, most notably in the treatment of advanced breast cancer. Here, its exceedingly strong anabolic/androgenic action helps the drug counter the local effects of endogenous estrogens, lending it some efficacy for slowing or even regressing tumor growth. Such application was not long lived, however, as more realistic evaluations of the drug's toxicity soon led to its
, abandonment in human medicine.
By the mid-1970's, methyltrienolone was becoming an accepted standard in non-human research studies, particularly those pertaining to the study of the androgen receptor activity. For this purpose the agent is very well suited. Its sheer potency and resistance to serum-binding proteins makes it an excellent in-vitro receptor-binding
OH
Methyltrienolone
standard to compare other agents to. Being so resistant to metabolism, active methyltrienolone metabolites are also not going to greatly interfere with the results of most experiments. Body tissues can metabolize most steroids fairly easily, which means that even incubation studies can be complicated with the question of what is causing a particular effect, the steroid or one of its unidentified metabolites. This is much less of an issue with methyltrienolone. Today, methyltrienolone remains an agent of research use only.
How Supplied:
Methyltrienolone is not available as a commercial agent.
Structural Characteristics:
Methyltrienolone is a modified form of nandrolone. It differs by: 1) the addition of a methyl group at carbon 17alpha to protect the hormone during oral administration and 2) the introduction of double bonds at carbons 9 and 11, which increases its binding affinity and slows its metabolism. The resulting steroid is significantly more potent than its nandrolone base, and displays a much longer half-life and lower affinity for serum-binding
,proteins in comparison. Methyltrienolone chemically differs from trenbolone only by the addition of a methyl group at c-17. This alteration changes the activity of methyltrienolone considerably, however, such that this agent should not simply be considered an oral form of trenbolone.
Side Effects (Estrogenic):
Methyltrienolone is not aromatized by the body, and is not measurably estrogenic. It is of note, however, that methyltrienolone displays significant binding affinity for the progesterone receptor.628 The side effects associated with progesterone are similar to those of estrogen, including negative -feedback inhibition of testosterone production and enhanced rate of fat storage. Progestins
305
.............v •• v •• ~ ••v _, __a
also augment the stimulatory effect of estrogens on mammary tissue growth. There appears to be a strong synergy between these two hormones here, such that gynecomastia might even occur with the help of progestins, without excessive estrogen levels. The use of an anti-estrogen, which inhibits the estrogenic component of this disorder, is often sufficient to mitigate gynecomastia caused by progestational anabolic/androgenic steroids.
Side Effects (Androgenic):
Although classified as an anabolic steroid,androgenic side effects are stHI common with this substance. This may include bouts of oily skin, acne, and body/facial hair growth. Anabolic/androgenic steroids may also aggravate male pattern hair loss. Women are also warned of the potential virilizing effects of anabolic/androgenic steroids. These may include a deepening of the voice, menstrual irregularities, changes in skin texture, facial hair growth, and clitoral enlargement. Additionally, the 5-alpha reductase enzyme does not metabolize methyltrienolone, so its relative androgenicity is not affected by finasteride or dutasteride.
Side Effects (Hepatotoxicity):
Methyltrienolone is a c17-alpha alkylated compound. This alteration protects the drug from deactivation by the liver, allowing a very high percentage of the drug entry into the bloodstream following oral administration. e17-alpha alkylated anabolic/androgenic steroids can be hepatotoxic. Prolonged or high exposure may result in liver damage. In rare instances life-threatening dysfunction may develop. It is advisable to visit a physician periodically during each cycle to monitor "liver function and overall health. Intake of c17-alpha alkylated steroids is commonly limited to 6-8 weeks, in an effort to avoid escalating liver strain.
Methyltrienolone is an exceedingly potent oral steroid, with a very high level of resistance to hepatic metabolism. This makes methyltrienolone exceedingly liver-toxic, precluding its use as a prescription agent at this time, in any part of the world. Studies published from the University of Bonn Germany back in 1966 make this very clear.629 In fact, at this time researchers had deemed this the most liver-toxic steroid to ever be studied in humans, summing up their findings well when stating:
JlMethyltrienolone... which is orally active as an anabolic agent in a dose less than 1.0 mg per day in normal adults, has been tested with regard to its influence on liver function. As measured by multiple parameters (BSP retention; total bilirubin; activities of transaminases, alkaline phosphates and
306
cholinesterase in serum; activity of proaccelerin in plasma) methyltrienolone turned out to be very active as to causing biochemical symptoms of intrahepatic cholestasis....thus methyltrienolone at present being the most 'hepatotoxic' steroid."
The use of a liver detoxification supplement such as Liver Stabil, Liv-52, or Essentiale Forte is advised while taking any hepatotoxic anabolic/androgenic steroids.
Side Effects (Cardiovascular):
Anabolic/androgenic steroids can have deleterious effects on serum cholesterol. This includes a tendency to reduce HDL (good) cholesterol values and increase LDL (bad) cholesterol values, which may shift the HDL to LDL balance in a direction that favors greater risk of arteriosclerosis. The relative impact of an anabolic/androgenic steroid on serum lipids is dependant on the dose, route of administration (oral vs. injectable), type of steroid (aromatizable or non-aromatizable), and level of resistance to hepatic metabolism. Although not extensively studied in humans, the oral route, high relative potency, and non-aromatizable nature of methyltrienolone suggest that this agent is extremely prone to negatively altering lipid values and increasing atherogenic risk. Anabolic/androgenic steroids may also adversely affect blood pressure and triglycerides, reduce endothelial relaxation, and support left ventricular hypertrophy, all potentially increasing the risk of cardiovascular disease and myocardiai infarction.
To help reduce cardiovascular strain it is advised to maintain an active cardiovascular exercise program and minimize the intake of saturated fats, cholesterol, and simple carbohydrates-at all times during active AAS administration. Supplementing with fish oils (4 grams per day) and a natural cholesterol/antioxidant formula such as Lipid Stabil or a product with comparable ingredients is also recommended.
Side Effects (Testosterone Suppression):
All anabolic/androgenic steroids when taken in doses! sufficient to promote muscle gain are expected to! suppress endogenous testosterone production. Withou~ the intervention of testosterone-stimulating substances! testosterone levels should return to normal within 1-1 months of drug secession. Note that prolongeo
hypogonadotrophic ~econda~y to steroid Intervention.
hypogonadism abuse, necess
can itating
develo~ mediCal I
I
The above side effects are not inclusive. For more detaile~ discussion ofpotentialside effects,see theSteroid Side Effec~ section ofthis book. I
William Llewellyn's ANABDLICS, 9th ed.
Administration (General):
Studies have shown that taking an oral anabolic steroid with food may decrease its bioavailability.630 This is caused by the fat-soluble nature of steroid hormones, which can allow some of the drug to dissolve with undigested dietary fat, reducing its absorption from the gastrointestinal tract. For maximum utilization, methyltrienolone should be taken on an empty stomach.
Administration (Men):
Methyltrienolone is no longer used in clinical medicine due to an unacceptable level of hepatotoxicity.This agent is generally not recommended for physique-or performance-enhancing purposes for the same reason. Those absolutely insisting on its use need to take its level of liver toxicity very seriously. At the very least, routine blood tests should be conducted to ensure the agent is not imparting damage. Drug duration should also be very limited, preferably to 4 weeks of use or less. The relative potency of methyltrienolone is extremely high, requiring doses as little as .5 milligram per day. Its effective and tolerable range is usually considered to be .5 to 2mg per day. Dianabol-type doses of 20-30 mg daily are completely unthinkable, and should never be attempted. Again, this is an extremely toxic steroid, and all good advice would say to avoid it. Anyone of the many commercially available steroids would be much safer choices.
Administration (Women):
Methyltrienolone is no longer used in clinical medicine
due to an unacceptable level of hepatotoxicity.This agent
is not recommended for women for physique-or
!
performance-enhancing purposes due to its extremely
strong toxicity and tendency to produce virilizing side
effects.
Availability:
Methyltrienolone is not produced as a prescription steroid
product in any part of the world. With the rapid expansion
of underground steroid manufacturers, this agent has
been released as a black market designer compound.
Those contemplating the use of underground forms of
methyltrienolone should consider that such agents are
being released for human use without any government
approval or consideration to its safety.
307
Androgenic 6,000-7,000
Anabolic 12,000-30,000
~ Standard Methyltestosterone (oral)
Chemical Names 17alpha-methyl-17betahydroxyestra-4,9,11-triene-3-one 17alpha-methyl-trenbolone
Estrogenic Activity none
Progestational Activity no data available
Description:Methyltrienolone is one of the strongest oral anabolic steroids ever produced. This agent is a derivative of trenbolone (trienolone), which has been c-17 alpha alkylated to allow for oral administration.This modification has created a steroid that is significantly stronger than its non-methylated cousin. Its potency has been measured to be anywhere from 120-300 times greater than that of methyltestosterone, with greater dissociation between anabolic and androgenic effects.625 626 Milligram for milligram methyltrienolone is a more active steroid than any agent sold on the commercial market, requiring doses as little as .5-1 milligram per day to notice a strong anabolic effect. Its potency is only matched by its relative toxicity, however, which has limited its modern use to that of laboratory research only.
History:
Methyltrienolone was first described in 1965.627 It was immediately identified as an extremely potent anabolic agent, far more potent than the commercially available agents of the time. In spite of its high relative activity, however, methyltrienolone has seen very limited use in humans. It was used clinically during the late 1960's and early '70's, most notably in the treatment of advanced breast cancer. Here, its exceedingly strong anabolic/androgenic action helps the drug counter the local effects of endogenous estrogens, lending it some efficacy for slowing or even regressing tumor growth. Such application was not long lived, however, as more realistic evaluations of the drug's toxicity soon led to its
, abandonment in human medicine.
By the mid-1970's, methyltrienolone was becoming an accepted standard in non-human research studies, particularly those pertaining to the study of the androgen receptor activity. For this purpose the agent is very well suited. Its sheer potency and resistance to serum-binding proteins makes it an excellent in-vitro receptor-binding
OH
Methyltrienolone
standard to compare other agents to. Being so resistant to metabolism, active methyltrienolone metabolites are also not going to greatly interfere with the results of most experiments. Body tissues can metabolize most steroids fairly easily, which means that even incubation studies can be complicated with the question of what is causing a particular effect, the steroid or one of its unidentified metabolites. This is much less of an issue with methyltrienolone. Today, methyltrienolone remains an agent of research use only.
How Supplied:
Methyltrienolone is not available as a commercial agent.
Structural Characteristics:
Methyltrienolone is a modified form of nandrolone. It differs by: 1) the addition of a methyl group at carbon 17alpha to protect the hormone during oral administration and 2) the introduction of double bonds at carbons 9 and 11, which increases its binding affinity and slows its metabolism. The resulting steroid is significantly more potent than its nandrolone base, and displays a much longer half-life and lower affinity for serum-binding
,proteins in comparison. Methyltrienolone chemically differs from trenbolone only by the addition of a methyl group at c-17. This alteration changes the activity of methyltrienolone considerably, however, such that this agent should not simply be considered an oral form of trenbolone.
Side Effects (Estrogenic):
Methyltrienolone is not aromatized by the body, and is not measurably estrogenic. It is of note, however, that methyltrienolone displays significant binding affinity for the progesterone receptor.628 The side effects associated with progesterone are similar to those of estrogen, including negative -feedback inhibition of testosterone production and enhanced rate of fat storage. Progestins
305
.............v •• v •• ~ ••v _, __a
also augment the stimulatory effect of estrogens on mammary tissue growth. There appears to be a strong synergy between these two hormones here, such that gynecomastia might even occur with the help of progestins, without excessive estrogen levels. The use of an anti-estrogen, which inhibits the estrogenic component of this disorder, is often sufficient to mitigate gynecomastia caused by progestational anabolic/androgenic steroids.
Side Effects (Androgenic):
Although classified as an anabolic steroid,androgenic side effects are stHI common with this substance. This may include bouts of oily skin, acne, and body/facial hair growth. Anabolic/androgenic steroids may also aggravate male pattern hair loss. Women are also warned of the potential virilizing effects of anabolic/androgenic steroids. These may include a deepening of the voice, menstrual irregularities, changes in skin texture, facial hair growth, and clitoral enlargement. Additionally, the 5-alpha reductase enzyme does not metabolize methyltrienolone, so its relative androgenicity is not affected by finasteride or dutasteride.
Side Effects (Hepatotoxicity):
Methyltrienolone is a c17-alpha alkylated compound. This alteration protects the drug from deactivation by the liver, allowing a very high percentage of the drug entry into the bloodstream following oral administration. e17-alpha alkylated anabolic/androgenic steroids can be hepatotoxic. Prolonged or high exposure may result in liver damage. In rare instances life-threatening dysfunction may develop. It is advisable to visit a physician periodically during each cycle to monitor "liver function and overall health. Intake of c17-alpha alkylated steroids is commonly limited to 6-8 weeks, in an effort to avoid escalating liver strain.
Methyltrienolone is an exceedingly potent oral steroid, with a very high level of resistance to hepatic metabolism. This makes methyltrienolone exceedingly liver-toxic, precluding its use as a prescription agent at this time, in any part of the world. Studies published from the University of Bonn Germany back in 1966 make this very clear.629 In fact, at this time researchers had deemed this the most liver-toxic steroid to ever be studied in humans, summing up their findings well when stating:
JlMethyltrienolone... which is orally active as an anabolic agent in a dose less than 1.0 mg per day in normal adults, has been tested with regard to its influence on liver function. As measured by multiple parameters (BSP retention; total bilirubin; activities of transaminases, alkaline phosphates and
306
cholinesterase in serum; activity of proaccelerin in plasma) methyltrienolone turned out to be very active as to causing biochemical symptoms of intrahepatic cholestasis....thus methyltrienolone at present being the most 'hepatotoxic' steroid."
The use of a liver detoxification supplement such as Liver Stabil, Liv-52, or Essentiale Forte is advised while taking any hepatotoxic anabolic/androgenic steroids.
Side Effects (Cardiovascular):
Anabolic/androgenic steroids can have deleterious effects on serum cholesterol. This includes a tendency to reduce HDL (good) cholesterol values and increase LDL (bad) cholesterol values, which may shift the HDL to LDL balance in a direction that favors greater risk of arteriosclerosis. The relative impact of an anabolic/androgenic steroid on serum lipids is dependant on the dose, route of administration (oral vs. injectable), type of steroid (aromatizable or non-aromatizable), and level of resistance to hepatic metabolism. Although not extensively studied in humans, the oral route, high relative potency, and non-aromatizable nature of methyltrienolone suggest that this agent is extremely prone to negatively altering lipid values and increasing atherogenic risk. Anabolic/androgenic steroids may also adversely affect blood pressure and triglycerides, reduce endothelial relaxation, and support left ventricular hypertrophy, all potentially increasing the risk of cardiovascular disease and myocardiai infarction.
To help reduce cardiovascular strain it is advised to maintain an active cardiovascular exercise program and minimize the intake of saturated fats, cholesterol, and simple carbohydrates-at all times during active AAS administration. Supplementing with fish oils (4 grams per day) and a natural cholesterol/antioxidant formula such as Lipid Stabil or a product with comparable ingredients is also recommended.
Side Effects (Testosterone Suppression):
All anabolic/androgenic steroids when taken in doses! sufficient to promote muscle gain are expected to! suppress endogenous testosterone production. Withou~ the intervention of testosterone-stimulating substances! testosterone levels should return to normal within 1-1 months of drug secession. Note that prolongeo
hypogonadotrophic ~econda~y to steroid Intervention.
hypogonadism abuse, necess
can itating
develo~ mediCal I
I
The above side effects are not inclusive. For more detaile~ discussion ofpotentialside effects,see theSteroid Side Effec~ section ofthis book. I
William Llewellyn's ANABDLICS, 9th ed.
Administration (General):
Studies have shown that taking an oral anabolic steroid with food may decrease its bioavailability.630 This is caused by the fat-soluble nature of steroid hormones, which can allow some of the drug to dissolve with undigested dietary fat, reducing its absorption from the gastrointestinal tract. For maximum utilization, methyltrienolone should be taken on an empty stomach.
Administration (Men):
Methyltrienolone is no longer used in clinical medicine due to an unacceptable level of hepatotoxicity.This agent is generally not recommended for physique-or performance-enhancing purposes for the same reason. Those absolutely insisting on its use need to take its level of liver toxicity very seriously. At the very least, routine blood tests should be conducted to ensure the agent is not imparting damage. Drug duration should also be very limited, preferably to 4 weeks of use or less. The relative potency of methyltrienolone is extremely high, requiring doses as little as .5 milligram per day. Its effective and tolerable range is usually considered to be .5 to 2mg per day. Dianabol-type doses of 20-30 mg daily are completely unthinkable, and should never be attempted. Again, this is an extremely toxic steroid, and all good advice would say to avoid it. Anyone of the many commercially available steroids would be much safer choices.
Administration (Women):
Methyltrienolone is no longer used in clinical medicine
due to an unacceptable level of hepatotoxicity.This agent
is not recommended for women for physique-or
!
performance-enhancing purposes due to its extremely
strong toxicity and tendency to produce virilizing side
effects.
Availability:
Methyltrienolone is not produced as a prescription steroid
product in any part of the world. With the rapid expansion
of underground steroid manufacturers, this agent has
been released as a black market designer compound.
Those contemplating the use of underground forms of
methyltrienolone should consider that such agents are
being released for human use without any government
approval or consideration to its safety.
307
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ok no one wants to respond I did my own research
you guys never cease to amaze me
you guys never cease to amaze me
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ABOUT 2YRS AGO WE GOT A HOLD OF 2 BOTTLES
Global Anabolics "Metrien" 1mg tabs. I took only a couple tabs a Day for less than a week but my buddy who plays and teaches Hockey got Good results off 2mg a day for 30 days. He hardened up also put on some alittle muscle. I would say comparable to Winstrol or EQ. Nothing like Tren A or E IM. Sorry it's just not a Compound alot of People use. If I fought MMA i would use it!!!
Global Anabolics "Metrien" 1mg tabs. I took only a couple tabs a Day for less than a week but my buddy who plays and teaches Hockey got Good results off 2mg a day for 30 days. He hardened up also put on some alittle muscle. I would say comparable to Winstrol or EQ. Nothing like Tren A or E IM. Sorry it's just not a Compound alot of People use. If I fought MMA i would use it!!!
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you crudely copy and pasted someone's research. all im saying is posting shit like that doesnt automatically mean people are going to pour their hearts out to you about oral tren. try SEARCHING the forum... not many people use this compound for the reasons i state below with regards to the liver.... but I do commend you for at least posting something...
tren is horrible for cardio.... IMO tren has no place in MMA.
and to be perfectly honest, after reading RESEARCH on the toxicity levels of oral tren on the liver, why take it when you can inject several different forms of tren (Ace, En, Susp)... give your liver a break... if you are a top level competitor and you need the extra kick right before a contest, go for it, otherwise cmon
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This is TRUE.....
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thank you guys, I aappreciate the feedback.
PBJ
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