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Growth Hormone – Pharma vs. Generic: Is There Any Point in Speculating?

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I wasn't going to write anything more on this topic, but the pharma vs. generic debate will be immortal :)

(This post is based on my own professional experience in biopharma, personal experience with various GH, and used AI to compile it all — but only using scientific publications and referenced sources (which are listed at the end))



There will always be those who feel a difference, especially the mythical difference in IGF-1 levels at a lower pharma dose compared to a generic one. And this is justified and entirely possible, despite a theoretically pure raw material according to an HPLC test—and even then, the type of HPLC test is a critical question. It's just like with estrogen testing... but there are many more aspects here.

We will never know for sure, because:

  1. No one will conduct clinical trials and in-depth raw material analysis (which involves much more than just HPLC) on generics.
  2. Every batch of a generic can differ. There's a lot that can go wrong in the process, and it lacks the quality standards of pharma. This isn't about the equipment, but about meticulously controlled procedures and processes. There's a lack of the analytical tools required by pharma to manage this quality.
  3. Everyone shares their own empirical experiences. Unfortunately, for me, if someone hasn't personally picked up GH from a pharmacy with a prescription—where even the transport and storage procedures are strictly monitored—then such comparisons are meaningless. "Pharma" from the black market is just another generic.

I happen to be one of those who noticed a huge difference in effects, particularly in the dose-to-IGF-1-level ratio, with an overwhelming advantage in favor of Genotropin, which I used to get myself from a pharmacy. For years now, I've been using a trusted generic because I no longer have the ability to arrange a prescription.

The fundamental difference between, for example, Genotropin and generics lies in the technology and method of production.

Pharmaceutical manufacturers primarily choose CHO (Chinese Hamster Ovary) cells for hormone expression because they are mammalian cells. They are capable of creating complex proteins that are nearly identical to human ones. This ensures maximum efficacy, stability, and most importantly, safety, which is an absolute requirement for obtaining marketing authorization from regulatory agencies (like the FDA or EMA). This process is expensive, slow, and complex.

"Underground" labs use E. coli bacteria because it's a cheaper system, but it has one major drawback: the necessity of protein refolding. This is one of the biggest disadvantages and technical challenges of producing in E. coli and is a key differentiator from production in CHO cells.

When E. coli bacteria are instructed to produce a human protein in huge quantities and at breakneck speed, something undesirable happens. In an environment that is foreign to it (the bacterial cell) and with such intense production, the protein cannot correctly fold into its active, three-dimensional structure. Instead, the tangled protein chains stick together, forming inclusion bodies—dense, insoluble, and biologically inactive clumps. At this point, 100% of the produced protein is completely useless.

To recover anything of value from them, producers must conduct a multi-step, chemical refolding process:

  • Isolation and Denaturation: First, the bacterial cells are broken open, and these hard "clumps" of protein are isolated. Then, they are dissolved in strong chemicals (denaturants, e.g., concentrated urea), which completely "unravel" all the tangled protein chains.
  • Refolding: This is the most critical and difficult stage. By slowly and controllably removing the denaturant, conditions are created in which the "unraveled" protein chains have a chance to spontaneously fold anew—this time, into the correct, active form.
This process is often very inefficient (a large portion of the protein will still fold incorrectly or form aggregates again) and offers no guarantee of success. The final product can still be contaminated with inactive forms.

In CHO cells, this problem practically doesn't exist. As mammalian cells, they possess the entire machinery for correct protein folding and secrete a finished, correctly folded, and fully active product. This eliminates the need for the complicated and risky refolding process, ensuring much higher quality and safety of the final drug.

Let's go further...

The action of GH is not merely about its presence in the body, but about its precise "fit" into specific receptors on the surface of target cells, like a key in a lock. This fit initiates a cascade of signals inside the cell, leading to a biological effect (e.g., tissue growth). The key to this fit is the correct three-dimensional (3D) structure of the protein, also known as its conformation. We can have 1 gram of a substance that consists 100% of molecules with the correct amino acid sequence (primary structure), but if they are not correctly folded in space, the "key" will not fit the "lock."

Quality control in pharmaceutical production is not just about HPLC—EVEN THOUGH MAMMALIAN CELLS PRODUCE A FULLY FINISHED AND FUNCTIONAL PROTEIN, ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR A REFOLDING STEP.

The main factors determining the functionality of synthetic growth hormone are:

Correct Folding: This is the most important factor. The production process must be optimized so that the newly formed amino acid chain folds into a precise, biologically active 3D structure. An incorrectly folded protein is useless.
Absence of Aggregation: Incorrectly folded molecules tend to clump together into larger complexes called aggregates. Such aggregated hormone is not only non-functional (the receptors are blocked) but can also be harmful, triggering an undesirable immune response.
Correct Isoform: In the human body, growth hormone exists in several variants (isoforms). The main and most active one is the 22-kDa molecule. Synthetic preparations must mimic this specific form. The presence of other, less active isoforms reduces the overall functionality of the product.
Post-Translational Modifications (PTMs): Natural human proteins often undergo additional modifications after synthesis. In the case of growth hormone produced in bacteria, these modifications are absent, which is actually desired. However, production errors, such as the oxidation of certain amino acids (methionine), can destroy the molecule's biological activity.
How is functionality checked? (Quality Control)

Physicochemical Methods:

Chromatography (e.g., HPLC):
Checks the purity of the preparation and detects the presence of aggregates or protein fragments.
Electrophoresis (e.g., SDS-PAGE): Verifies if the protein has the correct molecular weight (e.g., 22 kDa).
Spectroscopic Techniques (e.g., Circular Dichroism): Directly analyze the secondary and tertiary structure, i.e., the correctness of the "folding."
Biological Assays (Bioassays):This is the ultimate proof of functionality.
  • In vitro (in the lab): The hormone preparation is added to a cell culture that has growth hormone receptors. The response of these cells, such as their proliferation, is then measured. This is a direct test of the "key's" ability to open the "lock."
  • In vivo (in the body): Although this is the domain of clinical trials rather than routine batch control, it is tests on patients (e.g., IGF-1 stimulation tests) that ultimately confirm the drug works as expected.
Can a misfolded hormone show up as "pure" on an HPLC test?It depends on the HPLC method used, but in a properly conducted quality analysis—no, it will not be shown as pure. The explanation is as follows:

Different types of HPLC: HPLC is not a single technique. For protein analysis, two main types are used:

Reverse-Phase HPLC (RP-HPLC): Separates molecules based on their hydrophobicity (aversion to water). Incorrect protein folding almost always exposes hydrophobic fragments on the outside that are normally hidden inside. Such a misfolded molecule will interact more strongly with the chromatography column and will appear in a different place on the chromatogram (usually later) than the correctly folded hormone.
Size-Exclusion HPLC (SEC-HPLC): Separates molecules based on their size. A correctly folded hormone has a specific, compact size. Misfolded molecules tend to form aggregates (clumps), which are much larger. SEC-HPLC is extremely effective at detecting these aggregates—they will appear on the chromatogram as separate, earlier peaks, clearly indicating product contamination.
Conclusion: If a simple, low-resolution HPLC method were used, it is theoretically possible that minor folding changes would not be detected. However, professional drug quality control uses validated, high-resolution methods (often both RP- and SEC-HPLC) that are designed specifically to detect such abnormalities. In this case, a misfolded or aggregated hormone would be identified as an impurity, not a pure product.

Part 2 below

 
Can GH show elevated levels in blood tests and raise IGF-1, but still lack full functionality? Here, the answer must be split into two parts, as it touches upon the difference between presence and bioactivity.

Elevated Growth Hormone (GH) levels in serum? YES. Standard lab tests measuring GH levels in the blood are immunoassays (e.g., ELISA). They work by "recognizing" a fragment of the hormone with a specific antibody. It is highly probable that even in a misfolded protein, this small fragment (called an epitope) to which the test antibody binds will remain intact. As a result, the lab test will detect the presence of the protein and show a high level of "immunoreactive" GH, even if the molecule is biologically useless because it cannot bind to the proper receptor in the body's cells.

Elevated IGF-1 levels? Not exactly... It is a fact that an elevated IGF-1 level is a measure of its biological EFFECT. IGF-1 is produced mainly in the liver in response to the proper and effective binding of a functional growth hormone to its receptors. If the administered hormone is misfolded and non-functional, it will not be able to stimulate the liver cells to produce IGF-1. BUT...
Let's imagine this using the analogy of a modern car key.

Pharmaceutical Hormone = Original, Factory Key Fob
"Underground" Hormone = Cheap, Copied Replacement
Receptors in different tissues = Different Car Functions (doors, ignition, trunk)


Here's what these differences depend on:1. Different "Sensitivity" and "Requirements" of Receptors in Different Tissues Not all receptors in the body are the same, and not all react in the same way.

Molecular Explanation: The growth hormone receptors in the liver, responsible for IGF-1 production, may be very numerous and/or require only a basic, threshold signal for activation. It's enough for the hormone to bind "somehow" to trigger this mass production.
Analogy: The lock on the car door is simple and robust. The key just needs to have the right general shape to turn it and open the door. This is a basic function. This is what raising IGF-1 is like.
Molecular Explanation:
The receptors on fat cells (adipocytes), which initiate direct lipolysis (fat burning), might be more "demanding." They may require a stronger, longer, and more stable signal to activate the complex enzymatic cascade inside the cell.
Analogy: The remote engine start module is much more sophisticated. It requires a perfect, precise digital signal from the key. If the signal is too weak, distorted, or too short, the car's computer will ignore it for security reasons. This is what activating other, more subtle pathways is like.



Part 3 below
 
The Quality of the "Signal" – i.e., Affinity and Binding Kinetics the key difference lies in the quality of the "connection" between the hormone and the receptor.

Molecular Explanation: A pharmaceutical-grade hormone has a perfect 3D structure. It binds to the receptor with high affinity (the "strength" and precision of the fit) and optimal kinetics (it remains attached for the right amount of time). This generates a strong, clean, and stable signal to the cell's interior.
Analogy: The original key fits into the ignition smoothly, with no play, and sends a perfect, clean digital code.
Molecular Explanation: An "underground" hormone, even if correctly folded, can have micro-defects. It binds to the receptor more weakly (low affinity), is unstable, "jiggles" in the binding site, or detaches too quickly. The signal it generates is weak, "jerky," and incomplete.
Analogy: The copied key is loose, doesn't make perfect contact, and its cheap chip sends a weak, noisy signal.
So, is a raw material's HPLC result a guarantee of quality?You can have a result from a basic HPLC test indicating 99% purity or more, and at the same time, the product can be worthless or even harmful due to problems not detected by this single method.

Why does this happen? The limitations of a single method. Every analytical technique examines a product from only one, specific angle. "99% purity" in a typical HPLC test only means that 99% of the signal comes from a single substance that behaves in the same way under specific conditions (e.g., interaction with the column).This test tells us nothing about:
  • Whether this substance has the correct molecular weight.
  • Whether this substance is correctly folded in three-dimensional space.
  • Whether it contains aggregates that might have been missed by that specific HPLC method (e.g., they stuck permanently to the column or were too large to exit it).
An Analytical Example: Three Different Tests, Three Different Answers Imagine analyzing a hypothetical, flawed batch of synthetic growth hormone:

HPLC Test (Result: 99% purity): We see one large, clear peak on the chromatogram. The computer calculates its area as 99% of the total. Initial conclusion: "The product looks very pure."

SDS-PAGE Electrophoresis Test (Result: presence of aggregates and fragments):We apply the same sample to a gel. After analysis, we see:
  • A main band at 22 kDa (our "pure" product from HPLC).
  • A fainter but clear band at 44 kDa (these are dimers, i.e., two hormone molecules stuck together—an inactive form).
  • A blurry smear below 22 kDa (these are degraded protein fragments).
  • New conclusion: "The product is not so pure after all; it contains undesirable aggregates and degradation products that the HPLC did not show."

Circular Dichroism Test (Result: wrong structure):We now analyze the protein from the main peak (the "pure" 99%). The spectroscopy result shows a spectrum that differs significantly from the reference standard for an active, correctly folded hormone.

Conclusion: Even the main, seemingly pure fraction of the product is structurally flawed and, as a result, will not function correctly.


A Simple Analogy Think of it like inspecting a car:


HPLC is like checking if there is one car in the garage, not a mix of a car and three bicycles (purity assessment). Result: "Yes, 99% is one car."
Electrophoresis is like putting it on a scale (mass assessment). Result: "The car is 300 kg too light—the engine is missing!"
Circular Dichroism is like trying to start it and drive away (structure and function assessment). Result: "The steering wheel is locked, and the wheels are square."


Only the combination of all this information provides a complete and true picture of quality. That's why in pharmaceuticals, one never relies on a single method but uses a set of different, so-called orthogonal methods (examining the product from different angles) to guarantee the purity, identity, structure, and finally, the potency of the drug.

Final Conclusions

  1. Can a generic hormone be made just as well and work just as well as pharma? YES, IT CAN, but it is much more difficult and random.
  2. Can a basic HPLC test of the raw material fail to show the full picture of functionality? YES, IT CAN.
  3. Does the level of GH in the blood give us any real picture? NO (but we've known this for a long time).
  4. Will non-functional GH raise IGF-1? NO, because raising IGF-1 is already a biological response. (but it doesnt mean we have full functional GH)
  5. Can GH raise GH and IGF-1 levels but still not have full functionality? YES.
  6. Will someone ever conduct the studies to answer all these theoretical questions? 99.9% NO, and we are left with an empirical approach and our own "tendencies." Besides, such a study would be meaningless anyway—it could only be done if every generic were identical, which it is not and never will be.
  7. Will GH that is theoretically not fully functional but does raise IGF-1 give results? Of course.
  8. Any discussion about pharma vs. generic is generally pointless. Even long-term comparative studies would not contribute anything here. You would have to compare all generics on the market and be sure that a given manufacturer meticulously cares about processes, procedures, and quality control (which is not just about sterility) and that every batch is identical.


IMO? Look for good generics. But don't be ignorant if someone tells he felt difference. He really could.

If you have the money ($) and the ability to get pharma from a pharmacy yourself (but not from under the counter in Mexico or Turkey)—try it.

Sources Used​

CHO vs. E. coli Expression Systems for Therapeutic Proteins

Source: Walsh, G. (2018). Biopharmaceutical benchmarks 2018. Nature Biotechnology.
Direct Link: https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt.4305
Source: Baeshen, M. N., et al. (2015). Cell factories for insulin production. Microbial Cell Factories
Direct Link: https://microbialcellfactories.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12934-015-0327-5

Inclusion Bodies and Protein Refolding in E. coli


Source: Singh, A., et al. (2015). Protein recovery from inclusion bodies of Escherichia coli using mild solubilization process. Microbial Cell Factories.
Direct Link: https://microbialcellfactories.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12934-015-0222-0
Source: Fahnert, B., Lilie, H., & Neubauer, P. (2004). Inclusion bodies: formation and utilisation. Advances in Biochemical Engineering/Biotechnology.
Direct Link: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/b94530

Analytical Quality Control for Biologics (Beyond Basic HPLC)

Source: Berkowitz, S. A., et al. (2012). Analytical tools for characterizing biopharmaceuticals and the implications for biosimilars. Nature Reviews Drug Discovery.
Direct Link: https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd3746
Source: US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). (2015). Guidance for Industry: Quality Considerations in Demonstrating Biosimilarity of a Therapeutic Protein Product to a Reference Product.
Direct Link:
https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/quality-considerations-demonstrating-biosimilarity-therapeutic-protein-product-reference-product

Growth Hormone Receptor Signaling and Nuanced Bioactivity

Source: Brooks, A. J., & Waters, M. J. (2010). The growth hormone receptor: mechanism of activation and clinical implications. Nature Reviews Endocrinology.
Direct Link: https://www.nature.com/articles/nrendo.2010.128
Source: Vijayakumar, A., et al. (2010). The metabolic effects of growth hormone in the elderly are not mediated by insulin-like growth factor-I. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism.
Direct Link: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/95/2/897/2596959
 
Do we really need another thread for this 😵‍💫
 
Actually we don't need any new thread about bb as everything has been already said
I’m not sure if you’re trying to strawman me, as that’s not at all what I’m implying…

But you even said in your own post
Any discussion about pharma vs. generic is generally pointless.
And we also already have an active thread on the front page on this very topic
 
"Discussion" should be replaced by "arguing" and i know what your'e saying, by this post i only wanted to show that nothing is black or white and we should respect others choices and feelings
 
I appreciate the detail and info, but there’s another thread on the first page of literally the same topic lol
 
Yes i know, just wanted to sum it up and explain important (at least for me) dependents, to avoid digging deep by new ones

Asked mods to delete it
 
So glad this was posted after the last 8 page thread on the exact same topic lol.

And you really wrote this post and for PM... with a list of works cited? If so you have too much time on your hands lol.
I think we all know it was ai lol 😂
 
I think we all know it was ai lol 😂

Cmon man..

that's what i added at the beginning "(This post is based on my own professional experience in biopharma, personal experience with various GH, and used AI to compile it all — but only using scientific publications and referenced sources (which are listed at the end))"

Nevermind
 
Cmon man..

that's what i added at the beginning "(This post is based on my own professional experience in biopharma, personal experience with various GH, and used AI to compile it all — but only using scientific publications and referenced sources (which are listed at the end))"

Nevermind
Yeah I’m just playing around dude. You’re good lol.
 
Until we have some pics of pharma vs UGL this is going to be a pointless topic. That’s no hate, it’s just the reality of this sport.

And to be honest I have pics of myself on pharma and pics of me on TP’s. I used to believe there was a difference, but pics don’t lie and there was no difference. I wish there was given how much money I spent on pharma.

Edit- and if someone has bloodwork comparing the two with a drastic difference I would bet money one of the batches was fake.
 
The Quality of the "Signal" – i.e., Affinity and Binding Kinetics the key difference lies in the quality of the "connection" between the hormone and the receptor.

Molecular Explanation: A pharmaceutical-grade hormone has a perfect 3D structure. It binds to the receptor with high affinity (the "strength" and precision of the fit) and optimal kinetics (it remains attached for the right amount of time). This generates a strong, clean, and stable signal to the cell's interior.
Analogy: The original key fits into the ignition smoothly, with no play, and sends a perfect, clean digital code.
Molecular Explanation: An "underground" hormone, even if correctly folded, can have micro-defects. It binds to the receptor more weakly (low affinity), is unstable, "jiggles" in the binding site, or detaches too quickly. The signal it generates is weak, "jerky," and incomplete.
Analogy: The copied key is loose, doesn't make perfect contact, and its cheap chip sends a weak, noisy signal.
So, is a raw material's HPLC result a guarantee of quality?You can have a result from a basic HPLC test indicating 99% purity or more, and at the same time, the product can be worthless or even harmful due to problems not detected by this single method.

Why does this happen? The limitations of a single method. Every analytical technique examines a product from only one, specific angle. "99% purity" in a typical HPLC test only means that 99% of the signal comes from a single substance that behaves in the same way under specific conditions (e.g., interaction with the column).This test tells us nothing about:
  • Whether this substance has the correct molecular weight.
  • Whether this substance is correctly folded in three-dimensional space.
  • Whether it contains aggregates that might have been missed by that specific HPLC method (e.g., they stuck permanently to the column or were too large to exit it).
An Analytical Example: Three Different Tests, Three Different Answers Imagine analyzing a hypothetical, flawed batch of synthetic growth hormone:

HPLC Test (Result: 99% purity): We see one large, clear peak on the chromatogram. The computer calculates its area as 99% of the total. Initial conclusion: "The product looks very pure."

SDS-PAGE Electrophoresis Test (Result: presence of aggregates and fragments):We apply the same sample to a gel. After analysis, we see:
  • A main band at 22 kDa (our "pure" product from HPLC).
  • A fainter but clear band at 44 kDa (these are dimers, i.e., two hormone molecules stuck together—an inactive form).
  • A blurry smear below 22 kDa (these are degraded protein fragments).
  • New conclusion: "The product is not so pure after all; it contains undesirable aggregates and degradation products that the HPLC did not show."

Circular Dichroism Test (Result: wrong structure):We now analyze the protein from the main peak (the "pure" 99%). The spectroscopy result shows a spectrum that differs significantly from the reference standard for an active, correctly folded hormone.

Conclusion: Even the main, seemingly pure fraction of the product is structurally flawed and, as a result, will not function correctly.


A Simple Analogy Think of it like inspecting a car:


HPLC is like checking if there is one car in the garage, not a mix of a car and three bicycles (purity assessment). Result: "Yes, 99% is one car."
Electrophoresis is like putting it on a scale (mass assessment). Result: "The car is 300 kg too light—the engine is missing!"
Circular Dichroism is like trying to start it and drive away (structure and function assessment). Result: "The steering wheel is locked, and the wheels are square."


Only the combination of all this information provides a complete and true picture of quality. That's why in pharmaceuticals, one never relies on a single method but uses a set of different, so-called orthogonal methods (examining the product from different angles) to guarantee the purity, identity, structure, and finally, the potency of the drug.

Final Conclusions

  1. Can a generic hormone be made just as well and work just as well as pharma? YES, IT CAN, but it is much more difficult and random.
  2. Can a basic HPLC test of the raw material fail to show the full picture of functionality? YES, IT CAN.
  3. Does the level of GH in the blood give us any real picture? NO (but we've known this for a long time).
  4. Will non-functional GH raise IGF-1? NO, because raising IGF-1 is already a biological response. (but it doesnt mean we have full functional GH)
  5. Can GH raise GH and IGF-1 levels but still not have full functionality? YES.
  6. Will someone ever conduct the studies to answer all these theoretical questions? 99.9% NO, and we are left with an empirical approach and our own "tendencies." Besides, such a study would be meaningless anyway—it could only be done if every generic were identical, which it is not and never will be.
  7. Will GH that is theoretically not fully functional but does raise IGF-1 give results? Of course.
  8. Any discussion about pharma vs. generic is generally pointless. Even long-term comparative studies would not contribute anything here. You would have to compare all generics on the market and be sure that a given manufacturer meticulously cares about processes, procedures, and quality control (which is not just about sterility) and that every batch is identical.


IMO? Look for good generics. But don't be ignorant if someone tells he felt difference. He really could.

If you have the money ($) and the ability to get pharma from a pharmacy yourself (but not from under the counter in Mexico or Turkey)—try it.

Sources Used​

CHO vs. E. coli Expression Systems for Therapeutic Proteins

Source: Walsh, G. (2018). Biopharmaceutical benchmarks 2018. Nature Biotechnology.
Direct Link: https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt.4305
Source: Baeshen, M. N., et al. (2015). Cell factories for insulin production. Microbial Cell Factories
Direct Link: https://microbialcellfactories.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12934-015-0327-5

Inclusion Bodies and Protein Refolding in E. coli


Source: Singh, A., et al. (2015). Protein recovery from inclusion bodies of Escherichia coli using mild solubilization process. Microbial Cell Factories.
Direct Link: https://microbialcellfactories.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12934-015-0222-0
Source: Fahnert, B., Lilie, H., & Neubauer, P. (2004). Inclusion bodies: formation and utilisation. Advances in Biochemical Engineering/Biotechnology.
Direct Link: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/b94530

Analytical Quality Control for Biologics (Beyond Basic HPLC)

Source: Berkowitz, S. A., et al. (2012). Analytical tools for characterizing biopharmaceuticals and the implications for biosimilars. Nature Reviews Drug Discovery.
Direct Link: https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd3746
Source: US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). (2015). Guidance for Industry: Quality Considerations in Demonstrating Biosimilarity of a Therapeutic Protein Product to a Reference Product.
Direct Link:
https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/quality-considerations-demonstrating-biosimilarity-therapeutic-protein-product-reference-product

Growth Hormone Receptor Signaling and Nuanced Bioactivity

Source: Brooks, A. J., & Waters, M. J. (2010). The growth hormone receptor: mechanism of activation and clinical implications. Nature Reviews Endocrinology.
Direct Link: https://www.nature.com/articles/nrendo.2010.128
Source: Vijayakumar, A., et al. (2010). The metabolic effects of growth hormone in the elderly are not mediated by insulin-like growth factor-I. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism.
Direct Link: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/95/2/897/2596959
I believe some people on meso were pitching in together for testing of the tertiary structure of some generics hgh. Anyone know more about this? I believe it was jano doing the testing. Can't seem to find it rn.
 
I will give you this: there is a lot of information about GH production I did not know. I appreciate the enthusiasm and the time you took.

That said, Im with everyone else. Ive not seen anything except insane cost for same results using pharma grade gh.

If the E coli method is cheaper, Im surprised the pharmaceutical companies havent started using it themselves and keeping the costs the same.
 

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