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guy over at Elite Fitness Just died of cardiomyopathy

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Just found this post today. It seems he had symptoms as early as 2 years ago. Sounds like he might have brushed them off, I dont know. Here is where he reported having fluid gurgling in his chest: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/tren-e-im-screwed-534934.html

Here is the post annoucning his death, done by a friend of his.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/ironhorse242-passed-away-653268.html

I am hoping that those of us here now that have heart problems dont have a post like this made on our behalf anytime soon. Life can be so hard.
 
Jesus that sucks man.....

People come to these boards to ask serious questions and people with high post counts come in and answer stuff like they are fcking doctors. Half the time its some 21 year old kid thats been racking up post since he was 17 years old and people think he knows what he is talking about.

Take any post on DNP. You get more fcking retards with high post counts coming in saying the dumbest shit. Stuff that was proven wrong 50 years ago but they are all just repeating what they have heard...

There are/were alot of good people on elite from back in the day...sad to see anyone pass...
 
very sad
 
Jesus that sucks man.....

People come to these boards to ask serious questions and people with high post counts come in and answer stuff like they are fcking doctors. Half the time its some 21 year old kid thats been racking up post since he was 17 years old and people think he knows what he is talking about.

Take any post on DNP. You get more fcking retards with high post counts coming in saying the dumbest shit. Stuff that was proven wrong 50 years ago but they are all just repeating what they have heard...

There are/were alot of good people on elite from back in the day...sad to see anyone pass...


thats why its always advised to take what people have to offer with a grain of salt and medical issues should be ask with the medical community.

people associate high post counts with knowledge and intelligence and them being a guru
 
Jesus that sucks man.....

People come to these boards to ask serious questions and people with high post counts come in and answer stuff like they are fcking doctors. Half the time its some 21 year old kid thats been racking up post since he was 17 years old and people think he knows what he is talking about.

Take any post on DNP. You get more fcking retards with high post counts coming in saying the dumbest shit. Stuff that was proven wrong 50 years ago but they are all just repeating what they have heard...

There are/were alot of good people on elite from back in the day...sad to see anyone pass...

Very much agree here. See that kind of stuff happening at all the sites. Shocks me that someone that is suffering symptoms like that wouldnt go see the doc right away. This kinda goes along with the post I made awhile ago about "brushing it off". So many of us brush off symtoms, especially if they go away eventually. Problem is, even though the symtoms subside, it doesnt mean the condition is gone or isnt serious.
 
I wonder how much of an impact the deaths and the heart attacks/caridomyopathy have on people's actions after reading here about it. Hoping that it causes some to be more careful and really look at how and why they are using AAS. Is the risk youre taking worth it?
 
Maldorf, I was coughing up fluid and it was blood. I got a bad virus at 37, and had fluid on my lungs and heart. I almost died, thank God, he spare me. Unless you guys experience this, you will never know how precious your air and life really is. Be careful, with what you do, so you can enjoy life, when you get older.
 
Maldorf, I was coughing up fluid and it was blood. I got a bad virus at 37, and had fluid on my lungs and heart. I almost died, thank God, he spare me. Unless you guys experience this, you will never know how precious your air and life really is. Be careful, with what you do, so you can enjoy life, when you get older.

Yes, this really is something that you will never understand how it feels until death looks you in the eye. When I went into my arrythmia, my heart was beating so fast that it was not really pumping much blood at all. I passed out and just about went into ventricular fibrillation. As I was passing out I felt so very tired, and was fighting it so hard not to close my eyes. I knew if I closed my eyes it was a good chance that I may never open them again. Eyelids go heavier and heavier until I couldnt keep them open. Then it got all dark and there was a view like I was looking down a huge tunnel. i could see myself lying on the floor, and the light at the end of the tunnel where I was lying was really really bright. Then all of the sudden I sped really fast down the tunnel and enterd that area at the end. The tunnel was gone and I was awake again lying on the floor looking up at the paramedics. the one guy was like, "man you scared the shit out of us". They had to shock me 2x to get my heart going again. Luckily my 2 little girls had been put to bed by my wife while we waited for them to come after 911 was dialed. Otherwise, my little girls would have to watch me pass out and get shocked. My wife freaked out.
 
Thanks for sharing that Maldorf. Here is my story, I got what I thought was the flu, after 2 days I felt a sharp pain in my heart. I was nausea and had a high fever. I got up in the middle of the night and knew something was wrong. I blacked out and my wife called for an ambulance. Next thing I knew I was in Surgerical Intensive Care Unit. They started packing me down with ice, my temp was 105, put an IV in me and put me on oxygen. I couldn't hold down food so they put it through my IV. I had fluid on my heart and lungs, the fluid almost suffocated my heart. It weaken to arteries into my heart and my organs were shutting down. I never felt that bad in my life, it took me 6 months to recover.
 
Yes, this really is something that you will never understand how it feels until death looks you in the eye. When I went into my arrythmia, my heart was beating so fast that it was not really pumping much blood at all. I passed out and just about went into ventricular fibrillation. As I was passing out I felt so very tired, and was fighting it so hard not to close my eyes. I knew if I closed my eyes it was a good chance that I may never open them again. Eyelids go heavier and heavier until I couldnt keep them open. Then it got all dark and there was a view like I was looking down a huge tunnel. i could see myself lying on the floor, and the light at the end of the tunnel where I was lying was really really bright. Then all of the sudden I sped really fast down the tunnel and enterd that area at the end. The tunnel was gone and I was awake again lying on the floor looking up at the paramedics. the one guy was like, "man you scared the shit out of us". They had to shock me 2x to get my heart going again. Luckily my 2 little girls had been put to bed by my wife while we waited for them to come after 911 was dialed. Otherwise, my little girls would have to watch me pass out and get shocked. My wife freaked out.


Thats some scarry stuff, im glad your still around you have alot of good knowledge and are a very resepcted member here. I dont think enough people watch there health as they should untill its too late.
 
Thanks for sharing that Maldorf. Here is my story, I got what I thought was the flu, after 2 days I felt a sharp pain in my heart. I was nausea and had a high fever. I got up in the middle of the night and knew something was wrong. I blacked out and my wife called for an ambulance. Next thing I knew I was in Surgerical Intensive Care Unit. They started packing me down with ice, my temp was 105, put an IV in me and put me on oxygen. I couldn't hold down food so they put it through my IV. I had fluid on my heart and lungs, the fluid almost suffocated my heart. It weaken to arteries into my heart and my organs were shutting down. I never felt that bad in my life, it took me 6 months to recover.

Sounds like a close call. Infection really hits fast. That blood clot I had with my heart attack hit so fast that I never had any warning. How long were you in ICU? Both times I was in there about 6 days. ICU sucks bad. I hate how they come in every 3 hours of so to take blood. I had so many holes in me! My veins were shot for about 6 months.
 
Just found this post today. It seems he had symptoms as early as 2 years ago. Sounds like he might have brushed them off, I dont know. Here is where he reported having fluid gurgling in his chest: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/tren-e-im-screwed-534934.html

Here is the post annoucning his death, done by a friend of his.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/ironhorse242-passed-away-653268.html

I am hoping that those of us here now that have heart problems dont have a post like this made on our behalf anytime soon. Life can be so hard.

Reading his post is a little spine chilling and of course saddening. I too get the impression that he brushed off the symptoms but I also feel that the people that responded to his post (with one exception) weren't helpful. We'll never know whether a better response would have prompted him to see a doctor and/or quit AAS but I don't think the responses helped.

There was no indication of pneumonia -- fluid in the lungs is not sufficient evidence of pneumonia. More importantly, he didn't report a fever, cough, production of sputum or chest pain. Further, he reported that the symptoms abated when he discontinued the AAS. So the (Internet) diagnosis of pseumonia was absurd.

This isn't merely academic because its one thing to tell a person that he has pneumonia and another tell him that he has the indications of systemic cardiovascular disease. Pneumonia doesn't have occult symtoms -- unlike cardiomyopathy -- and and if he believed this "diagnosis" he would then conclude that he was fine when the gurgling stopped.

The person that identified the symptoms as evidence of pulmonary edema was correct but he didn't make any effort to explain the significance of pulmonary edema. Perhaps an explanation would have shocked him into action. Perhaps not. We'll never know.
 
Jesus that sucks man.....

People come to these boards to ask serious questions and people with high post counts come in and answer stuff like they are fcking doctors. Half the time its some 21 year old kid thats been racking up post since he was 17 years old and people think he knows what he is talking about.

Take any post on DNP. You get more fcking retards with high post counts coming in saying the dumbest shit. Stuff that was proven wrong 50 years ago but they are all just repeating what they have heard...

There are/were alot of good people on elite from back in the day...sad to see anyone pass...


Amen.
 
i recently had a ultrasound of the heart done because i had a ekg performed that showed signs of possible heart enlargment on the left side of the heart, but everything was in check doc said it was normal do to my excessive exercising routines. anyone care to chime in?? i just began dbol but now this thread is BUGGIn me out, even tho i got the go from the doc (which knows what i do gear wise) any second opinions, also what was this guy on what did he take throught his cycle history, as for me i just stick to the basics test and growth some slin (near future) and an oral twice a year, I like to keep it simple yet effective. But, My prayers go out to his family and close ones thats a loss that could of and should of been prevented with proper actions.
 
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There was a reader of this board, IM, and Muscle Mayhem that also died of this early this year.

**broken link removed**

Do you think oil use might have had something to do with that guy dying? Looking at the pics he obviously used excessive amounts of SEO. Reading Mayhem I know Chad and Mike blame oil for a lot of things - what do you think of that in general?

For example they blame Matarazzo's problems on oil. As well indirectly for the death of Youngblood and so on.
 
Treat Hypertension

i recently had a ultrasound of the heart done because i had a ekg performed that showed signs of possible heart enlargment on the left side of the heart, but everything was in check doc said it was normal do to my excessive exercising routines. anyone care to chime in??

"Ventricular hypertrophy (i.e., increased ventricular mass) occurs as the ventricle adapts to increased stress, such as chronically increased
volume load (preload) or increased pressure load (afterload). Although hypertrophy is a physiological response to increased stress, the response can become pathological and ultimately lead to a deterioration in function. For example, hypertrophy is a normal physiological adaptation to exercise training that enables the ventricle to enhance its pumping capacity. This type of physiologic hypertrophy is reversible and non-pathological. In contrast, chronic hypertension causes pathologic ventricular hypertrophy. This response enables the heart to develop greater pressure and to maintain a normal stroke volume despite the increase in afterload. However, over time, pathologic changes occur in the heart that can lead to heart failure."
(Excerpted from Cardiovascular Physiology Concepts (Lippincott, Williams & Wilkins; 2005)

So yes, some degree of (left) ventricular hypertrophy is to be expected from exercising because the hypertrophy is an adaptive response to the physiological stress. But like many things more is not necessarily better. Continual (left) ventricular hypertrophy becomes pathological. There are two types of pathological ventricular hypertrophy: eccentric and concentric. The type of hypertrophy produced by physical exercise is termed physiologic left ventricular hypertrophy and is distinguished from the pathological forms by the absence of the addition of new sarcomeres.

With concentric hypertrophy the wall of the ventricle thickens (and stiffen) but the ventricular volume stays the same or shrinks. Along with the thickening there is stiffening i.e. a loss of elasticity. Concentric hypertrophy is typically the result of chronic pressure overload. This impairs the ventricles capacity to fill with blood and it reduces stroke volume. This hypertrophy produces an increase in end-diastolic pressure (i.e. the period where the heart fills with blood, after contraction).

With eccentric hypertrophy the wall increases in thickness together with a proportionate increase in ventricular volume. Eccentric hypertrophy is usually due to chronic volume overload (eg. from obesity). Eccentric hypertrophy produces an increase in systolic pressure (i.e. when the heart contracts).

AFAIK AAS produce concentric (left) ventricular hypertrophy and the route of the pathology is uncontrolled hypertension. (With GH I think the effect is direct rather than mediated through hypertension.) Hypertension is in most cases asymptomatic, so a long career of AAS use can produce a hypetrophied left ventricle that will only manifest symptoms very late in the natural history of the disease.

This is why it is important that AAS users monitor their blood pressure (automatic blood pressure monitors are affordable) and treat any hypertension. If you want to avoid/reduce left ventricular hypertrophy then treat hypertension -- it is as simple as that.

i just began dbol but now this thread is BUGGIn me out, even tho i got the go from the doc (which knows what i do gear wise) any second opinions, also what was this guy on what did he take throught his cycle history, as for me i just stick to the basics test and growth some slin (near future) and an oral twice a year, I like to keep it simple yet effective.

You should start monitoring your blood pressure on-cyle (weekly at least) and treat any hypertension. If you are hypertensive during a cycle then you can be certain that your left ventricular wall is thickening. You can be certain because the hypertrophy is a compensatory response to the extra workload produced by the hypertension. These increases in thickness will be progressive and incremental, each cycle with untreated hypertension is adding new sarcomeres, little-by-little.

Fortunately, hypertension is easy to treat and left ventricle hypertrophy can be reversed by treating hypertension. The standard first-line treatment is thiazide type diuretic. If you aren't getting a good reduction in blood pressure from just a thiazide type diuretic then add an ACE inhibitor.
 
Ockham's Razor

Do you think oil use might have had something to do with that guy dying? Looking at the pics he obviously used excessive amounts of SEO. Reading Mayhem I know Chad and Mike blame oil for a lot of things - what do you think of that in general?

For example they blame Matarazzo's problems on oil. As well indirectly for the death of Youngblood and so on.

If he died of cardiomyopathy then I doubt it. I can't see by what mechanism SEO would produce a deterioartion in the integrity of heart tissue.

In any event, if you are looking to explain something then the simplest explanation is often the correct one. AAS are known to produce hypertension. Hypertension is known to produce left ventricular (LV)hypertrophy. LV hypertrophy is known to produce LV dysfunction. Why reject this well-defined explanation for one that relies on some undefined mechanism by which Caprylic acid produces loss of heart tissue integrity?
 

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