not to nit pick, but...
to some degree the dose thing IS true...
wouldn't YOU be bigger if rather then running the hrt stuff you ran a real cycle?
we both know the answer, no need to say yes... lol
agree
I also understand what you mean and don't disagree, but high doses of steroids, slin, gh do make you hold more water which means bigger size, but it is only cosmetic, it makes the muscle you have bigger, so someone like you gears up and ends up 285+ and someone who hasn't put the time in ends up 200ish on the hrt doses.
the low dose tren is actually interesting, I haven't used anything other then trt ish test for years but recently ran some tren, it was side effect city at around 100mgs/wk, I could see how a dose like you mentioned could be of merit. I see guys posting doses in the 100+mg per shot rang and just cant imagine that any more.
you and me both
what are you personal thoughts about becoming more sensitive to these drugs as time goes on?
side effects wise totally agree...more and more side effects as a bber ages no doubt. If it pertains to gains wise I dont know if i can say that an older bber responds better to dosages than a young one....I do think an older bber has honed his craft and knows all the ancillary stuff (training wise, supplementation wise, eating wise) that young bodybuilders so badly lack because no matter what they do---the drugs solve the answer whether right or wrong
it seems to almost go against most other drug stuff but personally I feel as I get older I get much more out of much less aas, do you feel like you have seen or felt any of that personally?
I feel im dialed in bigtime on what i need to do pre workout intra and post workout as far as nutrition, and what exactly i should be doing supplementation and ancillary wise...I got my training down pat...I have proved to myself 1000 times over what i need to do to make muscle gains....so i feel i got that set in stone and it always works for me. I dont know if i can matter of factly state that SHBG levels better ratioed when you age (in fact is most likely the opposite)...so I dont think what works for Frankie at 23 is less potent than what works for Frankie at 46...I just think Frankie at 46 knows what the hell to do with the other stuff besides juice
out of curiosity do you run gh now with your hrt?
No personally ive had some bad experiences with GH....never used more than 3ius....tried it around 2004 i think and without any shadow of doubt I developed sleep apnea from it (never had it before in any way shape or form with juice usage)....it got bad and had to get CPAP machine.....gave it up for quite a few years....went back to it and sleep apnea got even worse and I was even leaner that time around....I have no qualms about it working...you can stay lean year round and pretty much eat anything and stay that leaness...but for me personally there is no doubt that I got tissue growth in the back of my throat and i developed sleep apnea from it. (IM not the only one...I know many that feel the same way as me)
I know you did not really use it before, at least way back...
one more part im curious about is what do you feel we are really doing by years of blasting and cruising or years of aas use and training?
Positively=creating a muscle mass threshold over time that is extremely hard to go away....density that will never leave you if you hold it for enough time.
Negatively=if you dont do regular lab work and health assesments you could be really screwing up your health....but if you keep on top of things and always have that "health first, and if health is proven healthy i can go after the muscle mass" notion in your head...then you can do your thing
personally I feel that the aas just allow us to recover better, and allow us to build new nerve innervations without over training.
could we achieve the same end with different means?
meaning could you be the you, you are today without the blasting and cruising and only running lower doses?
No no way in heck....I overclocked my genetic ability to gain muscle mass by doing what i did (although i never abused myself and like i said 750-1000mg of test was my top dosages)....but how i did things i went past threshholds and busted plateaus that I never would have reached with TRT dosages...and then i did everything in my power to stay past those threshholds...AND DID.... so just like the once fat guy or girl who thru diet or cardio now has gotten lean but always has to worry and be meticulous not to blow up into fat guy or girl again.....ive been here so long now that its hard for me to get "small"....it aint going anywhere....unless i give it a reason too (cold turkey no TRT, stop training, eat like a bird)
one more thing on the doses is that today we see so many guys using stupid high doses, I learned all the basics I know from you and for the most part always stayed within similar ranges of what you talk about or used to. we see and have seen plenty of guys get huge on doses like that, what I feel we have not see so much of is guys that really push the drug limits getting any real justified size out of it.
totally agree...kind of scary isnt it....these guys blasting to the high heavens and creating organ damage that is going to rear its ugly head 12-15 years down the road yet they dont have this longterm dense muscle mass to go with it
with aas I feel there is a real point of diminishing returns, for example 3000mgs weekly is really not all that much better then 1500mgs weeks, and 6000mgs weekly sure as shit isn't much better then 3000mgs weekly. agree? disagree?
I do agree...I dont know exactly where that sweet spot is per se because i always had that "ok bro you are going to have kids someday and your goals are being a dad/businessman/good husband along with your bbing goals" instilled in me so that kept me on the side of the fence to proceed with caution. I dont know why so many of these guys think that whatever it is (18? 20?) guys can die over the last couple years from using alot of drugs yet they think somehow "ok thats those guys, wont happen to me"
what do we feel these high doses are doing other then cell volumization?
meaning allowing us to hold more creatine/water ect?
what does using 6000 mgs really do that using 3000mgs does not do, other then more water?
Good question, I really dont know where that sweet spot is and i dont know if anyone could ever answer that. Might be an individualistic thing as Ive seen some genetically elite use baby dosages and explode and others have to use the whole kitchen sink to make gains....I dont know exactly how to answer that...I dont know if there is a set in stone answer....but there is no doubt that some people are injecting AMOUNTS out of severe insecurity and trying to cure that insecurity by next weekend.....
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