Has the recent affordability of HGH changed your use?

[hawkmoon]

When I was first competing it was prohibitively expensive as Protropin was the only thing around.

I first used generic GH in 2009 or 2010 and it made a difference, but I used short runs of 6-8 weeks. Somehow I never bought the line that it needed months to work, and my own results proved that out.
Since that time the price is down roughly 2/3rds and so I experimented with a longer run, in the end finding it not worth it, and I will be going back to my short runs.
I don't like using things I don't feel are needed or provided an unquestionably significant benefit (including risk/benefit ratios).

Your premise is does reduced cost equal increased use and I think that's something that should not necessarily be equivocated.
More isn't always better, at least in my experience.

 

[Klax]

When I was first competing it was prohibitively expensive as Protropin was the only thing around.

I first used generic GH in 2009 or 2010 and it made a difference, but I used short runs of 6-8 weeks. Somehow I never bought the line that it needed months to work, and my own results proved that out.
Since that time the price is down roughly 2/3rds and so I experimented with a longer run, in the end finding it not worth it, and I will be going back to my short runs.
I don't like using things I don't feel are needed or provided an unquestionably significant benefit (including risk/benefit ratios).

Your premise is does reduced cost equal increased use and I think that's something that should not necessarily be equivocated.
More isn't always better, at least in my experience.

I appreciate your thoughts on this, Hawk. For years, I've been told "as much GH as you can afford". And, well, that amount is a lot more now than it used to be. But I think I'm starting to see that isn't so much the case anymore.

 

[Spiro]

When I was first competing it was prohibitively expensive as Protropin was the only thing around.

I first used generic GH in 2009 or 2010 and it made a difference, but I used short runs of 6-8 weeks. Somehow I never bought the line that it needed months to work, and my own results proved that out.
Since that time the price is down roughly 2/3rds and so I experimented with a longer run, in the end finding it not worth it, and I will be going back to my short runs.
I don't like using things I don't feel are needed or provided an unquestionably significant benefit (including risk/benefit ratios).

Your premise is does reduced cost equal increased use and I think that's something that should not necessarily be equivocated.
More isn't always better, at least in my experience.

Would you say is there any benefit to run it on TRT when done competing, just for health reason with trt year round? Or do you think is best to just run it when cutting as you said previous

 

[hawkmoon]

Would you say is there any benefit to run it on TRT when done competing, just for health reason with trt year round? Or do you think is best to just run it when cutting as you said previous

I think a moderate dose of 3-4iu seems to have health benefits, especially when older.
That said i don't actively employ it. I really resist using anything unless I feel it required for my goals.
I abhor frequent injections, it's just not agreeable with my personality.

Note I don't see TRT when actively competing. In reality there is little space for true TRT (sub 200mg) in off season for an active competitor, and certainly not in prep.

 

[hawkmoon]

I appreciate your thoughts on this, Hawk. For years, I've been told "as much GH as you can afford". And, well, that amount is a lot more now than it used to be. But I think I'm starting to see that isn't so much the case anymore.

IMHO this was based on very tenuous speculation about what someone may have once said, and even then if they did say we can't know how serious they were.

 

[Truckman]

Choosing Chick-Fil-A and being a present Father put you in an elite company alone, compared to gen-pop. lol

8 IU's of GH, will def make the Under Armour polo fit well at the ball parks

 

[Truckman]

The community needs an Active Dad-Ex Bodybuilder Stack Protocol!haha
Trt is beta, we have cookie cutter protocols for fertility, libido, boners ,and every other situation.
Side Note: TRT is so difficult to get in a healthy high normal ranges through a clinic after years of competitive BB.
150mg-400mg weekly doesn't reflect well on panels compared to gen pop introducing treatment.

Requirements:
-Supports muscle growth when able to train.
-energy/libido;keep up at work and home life requirements.
-Can't be too high in totals to minimize lethargic sides or libido/estro sides.
-supports mental clarity & sleep.

 

[KyleSmith1985]

The community needs an Active Dad-Ex Bodybuilder Stack Protocol!haha
Trt is beta, we have cookie cutter protocols for fertility, libido, boners ,and every other situation.
Side Note: TRT is so difficult to get in a healthy high normal ranges through a clinic after years of competitive BB.
150mg-400mg weekly doesn't reflect well on panels compared to gen pop introducing treatment.

Requirements:
-Supports muscle growth when able to train.
-energy/libido;keep up at work and home life requirements.
-Can't be too high in totals to minimize lethargic sides or libido/estro sides.
-supports mental clarity & sleep.

I forgot who it was but someone on transparency with nyle has a “Dad Stack”

Test 500
GH
Anavar cycles in and out.

Idk if I could handle the test long terms and I’m a very heavy aromatizer and barely go above 300.

 

[Aikman56]

A little over $300.

Are you getting collect calls from Jupiter?

 

[Klax]

Are you getting collect calls from Jupiter?

Only on Tuesdays.

 

[gains4000]

I’ll be honest 12IU I was recovering much better than 5iu. I’ll be doing 10iu just for the recovery. Again I stand by that LR3 was much more effective for muscle growth than GH cause my IGF-1 was Not great on 10iu. I noticed the LR3 it was game changer.

 

[Klax]

I’ll be honest 12IU I was recovering much better than 5iu. I’ll be doing 10iu just for the recovery. Again I stand by that LR3 was much more effective for muscle growth than GH cause my IGF-1 was Not great on 10iu. I noticed the LR3 it was game changer.

I'm leaning this way as well. Reading' @luki7788 's 3" thread, it seems higher the better in all aspects, even when in a deficit.

 

[OldManLogan]

I would definitely go generic Chinese in this situation rather than some stuck up pharmacy grade bitch.

Colombia, Venezuela and Puerto Rico would still be pharma grade…

 

[gains4000]

I'm leaning this way as well. Reading' @luki7788 's 3" thread, it seems higher the better in all aspects, even when in a deficit.

Yes, use 10iu but more than that is a waste in my opinion. Even Illia Golem tried 30iu for a month and says it was not a good idea. Illia said 5-10IU was the optimal amount. 20IU isn’t unheard of now but that’s just too much man.

Earlier I said for MYSELF that when growing the HGH at 10iu wasn’t any more impressive than 6IU but the recovery regeneration difference was noticeable for sure.

My IGF-1 levels were not good on 10IU HGH which is why the LR3 was game changer for me I was growing so fast.

 

[NeveReveN]

Hoping to have a conversation. On a forum. Where people have conversations about things. What are you trying to gain by pretending to be a mod and decide what conversations get started on a forum? It's a valid conversation. I appreciate your opinion regarding whether this is a good discussion or not, but you're free to ignore it. If you have nothing to add, there's an ass thread and a tits thread down below that are full of productive, insightful, and educational dialogue.

He’s a smart ass who spends more time on forums than in the gym. By his estimation, nobody is smarter or wiser than he is. In his mind we would all be wise to run anything we might post here past him first for non-moderator moderation. I check in here a few times a year and without fail, he’s got something to say about everything and constantly offering pro bono daily corrective thinking lessons. He’s a child…

 

[SouthernMuscle]

He’s a smart ass who spends more time on forums than in the gym. By his estimation, nobody is smarter or wiser than he is. In his mind we would all be wise to run anything we might post here past him first for non-moderator moderation. I check in here a few times a year and without fail, he’s got something to say about everything and constantly offering pro bono daily corrective thinking lessons. He’s a child…

You sure do have a short ass memory Sean. Go do some masonry work in arizona and leave the adults alone. I told you last time i didnt have a problem with you but you seem to have a goddamn learning disability.