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HCG + Clomid + HMG Dosing for Sperm Count

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Alrighty, zero anabolic use since 2013.

Just got my sperm levels checked and came in at the bottom 2.5% of males at 5M sperm per ml. Normal is 40M-200M.

Anyone have any personal experiences conceiving post AAS abuse? What protocols were most affective for you?

Did anyone conceive while on TRT or pellet therapy?
 

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Wanted to start my own thread about fertility specifically sperm morphology.

I reached out to Dave palumbo and DC and they shared their protocols with me. Pretty similar to what you posted. 2000iu hcg every other day 75iu hmg every other day Different days and 50mg daily clomid.
 

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easy issue to solve

hcg
hmg
clomid

pregnancy guaranteed pretty much, just a matter of when (weeks)
 

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In your opinion is it possible to achieve healthy sperm levels while on trt?
 

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Why chance it.
if the guy needs trt then he needs it. nobody is doing trt and replacing what they already have for the fun of daily injections next 54 years.

so trt by definition is needed so he needs hcg/hmg to keep his fertility
 

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if the guy needs trt then he needs it. nobody is doing trt and replacing what they already have for the fun of daily injections next 54 years.



so trt by definition is needed so he needs hcg/hmg to keep his fertility


I need it too. But if my chances are better to come off then I’d do that. Get the job done ASAP and hop back on.
 

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I need it too. But if my chances are better to come off then I’d do that. Get the job done ASAP and hop back on.
Been there and done that.

Next time I will be trying to stay on trt for first 6months of trying. If that doesnt work then i will come off.

Last time i went from heavy use of everything. Off 12 weeks and sperm count of 120million. Not much good with no sex drive at all. Lucky she got pregnant the first time we had sex when i was off. Even with viagra and cialis was like trying to get a bit of cooked spaghetti through a key hole.

Even once back on mentally and sexually took a good 6 months to feel almost normal again.
 

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I need it too. But if my chances are better to come off then I’d do that. Get the job done ASAP and hop back on.
there is no need to go off and after 2 weeks of going off you are guaranteed to feel like death. no fun having 120 test in your body and free test barely detectable.
 

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You can search my old posts for details, but as I've posted before, I successfully used Test + HCG + HMG to raise my sperm count from zero to 35 million, without ever going off of testosterone. And I have been using test and other steroids for over 27 years, so I was completely shut down when I started my fertility program.

I also used Clomid and Proviron and Letrozole during this time, but I don't feel they added anything to the program. If I had to do it all over again, I would keep to:

200-300mg test per week
500iu HCG every other day
30iu HMG or FSH every day

My wife is currently six months pregnant, and we are expecting a healthy baby girl in November.
 

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This is ALR's fertility protocol.

Blasting Big Balls Protocol: (right from the book)
Day
1. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg/Lupron .35mg
2. Lupron .35 mg
3. Lupron .35 mg
4. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg /Lupron .35mg
5. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
6. Lupron .35 mg
7. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
8. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg /Pergonal
9. HCG 2000iu
10. Pergonal
11. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemastane 12.5mg
12. Pergonal/HCG 2000iu
13. Pergonal
14. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg /HCG 2000iu
15. Pergonal
16. HCG 2000iu
17. Pergonal
18. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg
19. Pergonal/HCG 2000iu
20. Off
21. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg /HCG 2000iu
22. Lupron .35 mg
23. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
24. Lupron .35 mg
25. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg /Lupron .35mg
26. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
27. Lupron .35 mg
28. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg /Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu

Pergonal is HMG comes in 75 iu of FSH and 75 iu of LH per single dose vial. And it is a Sub-Q. Generic version is IM. About $11.
It says that in almost all cases where HPTA function is inhibited by the negative feedback loop due to AAS use, activity can be restored in about THREE months.

The key factors are:

1.) Control or elimination of negative feedback loops factors such as estrogen and prolactin.

2.) Reinitiating of pituitary and testes function.
Okay, so the use of an anti-prolactin like cabergoline or bromocriptine is needed, as is an anti-aromatase (anti-estrogen) such as Arimidex or Exemestane for elimination of negative feedback loops. Reinitiating of the pituitary glands and testes function is a matter of supplying GnRH, LH and FSH in the correct sequence to avoid additional feedback loops.
 

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You can search my old posts for details, but as I've posted before, I successfully used Test + HCG + HMG to raise my sperm count from zero to 35 million, without ever going off of testosterone. And I have been using test and other steroids for over 27 years, so I was completely shut down when I started my fertility program.

I also used Clomid and Proviron and Letrozole during this time, but I don't feel they added anything to the program. If I had to do it all over again, I would keep to:

200-300mg test per week
500iu HCG every other day
30iu HMG or FSH every day

My wife is currently six months pregnant, and we are expecting a healthy baby girl in November.

can you posted your full protocole including clom and letro... how long you was on this protocole
 

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can you posted your full protocole including clom and letro... how long you was on this protocole
I was on my fertility protocol for eleven months total, November 2017 to when we did IVF in October of 2019. Things changed as I went along, depending on how I felt and what I had access to.

I stayed on 200-300mg of test per week the whole time.

I started off with using 25mg Clomid, 25mg Proviron, and HCG in November of 2017.

The amount of HCG amount varied, I started off with a Crisler protocol of 100iu per day and went up to 500iu per day. I never liked how HCG made me feel, it raised my estrogen, gave me some erectile dysfunction and gynecomastia. But it was necessary for fertility. Never liked the Clomid either, all it seemed to do was raise my SHBG. Clomid did not raise my FSH; that never went up until I started using HMG in July. But I didn't have access to pharm HMG in the beginning.

In May my sperm count was up from zero to 4 million, in June it was up to 7 million, but with poor motility.

In July I started working with a fertility doctor who wanted me to use more HCG; up to 3000iu every other day. But that raised my estrogen way too high, gave me anxiety, erectile dysfunction, gynecomastia. When I complained to the fertility doctor that my estrogen was too high, and bloodwork showed it high, he prescribed me Letrozole. But even a quarter tab of that every other day crashed my estrogen down undetectable on lab tests and made me miserable. So I cut out the Letrozole and cut the HCG back down to 500iu every other day, where I felt best.

In July I also added in HMG, which I really feel was the key to progress. Up until then, my FSH and LH had been undetectable on lab tests. But after adding 30iu-60iu of HMG per day, I had good levels of both FSH on my bloodwork.

I stayed on the following up until our IVF procedure in October:

25mg Clomid per day
25mg Proviron per day
200-300mg test per week
500iu HCG every other day
30iu-60iu HMG or FSH every day

At the time of our IVF procedure, my sperm count was at 35 million with much improved fertility. If I remember correctly, my wife produced 23 eggs, of which 20 were viable, of which my sperm fertilized 17 embryos. Only 3 survived past the 5-day blastocyst phase. The first two we had implanted didn't take.

The last embryo became our beautiful little baby girl, who is now 5 months old, happy and healthy and well.

Hope this helps you. Again, if I had to do it all over again, I would have cut out all the extra stuff like Clomid and Proviron, which I feel didn't help much, and I would have just stuck with:

200-300mg test per week
500iu HCG every other day
30iu HMG or FSH every day

Best wishes,

Sides
 

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I was on my fertility protocol for eleven months total, November 2017 to when we did IVF in October of 2019. Things changed as I went along, depending on how I felt and what I had access to.

I stayed on 200-300mg of test per week the whole time.

I started off with using 25mg Clomid, 25mg Proviron, and HCG in November of 2017.

The amount of HCG amount varied, I started off with a Crisler protocol of 100iu per day and went up to 500iu per day. I never liked how HCG made me feel, it raised my estrogen, gave me some erectile dysfunction and gynecomastia. But it was necessary for fertility. Never liked the Clomid either, all it seemed to do was raise my SHBG. Clomid did not raise my FSH; that never went up until I started using HMG in July. But I didn't have access to pharm HMG in the beginning.

In May my sperm count was up from zero to 4 million, in June it was up to 7 million, but with poor motility.

In July I started working with a fertility doctor who wanted me to use more HCG; up to 3000iu every other day. But that raised my estrogen way too high, gave me anxiety, erectile dysfunction, gynecomastia. When I complained to the fertility doctor that my estrogen was too high, and bloodwork showed it high, he prescribed me Letrozole. But even a quarter tab of that every other day crashed my estrogen down undetectable on lab tests and made me miserable. So I cut out the Letrozole and cut the HCG back down to 500iu every other day, where I felt best.

In July I also added in HMG, which I really feel was the key to progress. Up until then, my FSH and LH had been undetectable on lab tests. But after adding 30iu-60iu of HMG per day, I had good levels of both FSH on my bloodwork.

I stayed on the following up until our IVF procedure in October:

25mg Clomid per day
25mg Proviron per day
200-300mg test per week
500iu HCG every other day
30iu-60iu HMG or FSH every day

At the time of our IVF procedure, my sperm count was at 35 million with much improved fertility. If I remember correctly, my wife produced 23 eggs, of which 20 were viable, of which my sperm fertilized 17 embryos. Only 3 survived past the 5-day blastocyst phase. The first two we had implanted didn't take.

The last embryo became our beautiful little baby girl, who is now 5 months old, happy and healthy and well.

Hope this helps you. Again, if I had to do it all over again, I would have cut out all the extra stuff like Clomid and Proviron, which I feel didn't help much, and I would have just stuck with:

200-300mg test per week
500iu HCG every other day
30iu HMG or FSH every day

Best wishes,

Sides
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You can search my old posts for details, but as I've posted before, I successfully used Test + HCG + HMG to raise my sperm count from zero to 35 million, without ever going off of testosterone. And I have been using test and other steroids for over 27 years, so I was completely shut down when I started my fertility program.

I also used Clomid and Proviron and Letrozole during this time, but I don't feel they added anything to the program. If I had to do it all over again, I would keep to:

200-300mg test per week
500iu HCG every other day
30iu HMG or FSH every day

My wife is currently six months pregnant, and we are expecting a healthy baby girl in November.
Congrats bro ,how long did it take her to get pregnant
 

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Congrats bro ,how long did it take her to get pregnant
11 months in total. I am 52 and have been using test and other steroids for 28 years, and she is 42 and has been on birth control for years. So we each had our own fertility issues when we started, but thank God it all worked out for the best and we have our miracle baby.
 

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