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HCG + Clomid + HMG Dosing for Sperm Count

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Alrighty, zero anabolic use since 2013.

Just got my sperm levels checked and came in at the bottom 2.5% of males at 5M sperm per ml. Normal is 40M-200M.

Anyone have any personal experiences conceiving post AAS abuse? What protocols were most affective for you?

Did anyone conceive while on TRT or pellet therapy?
 

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Wanted to start my own thread about fertility specifically sperm morphology.

I reached out to Dave palumbo and DC and they shared their protocols with me. Pretty similar to what you posted. 2000iu hcg every other day 75iu hmg every other day Different days and 50mg daily clomid.
 

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easy issue to solve

hcg
hmg
clomid

pregnancy guaranteed pretty much, just a matter of when (weeks)
 

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In your opinion is it possible to achieve healthy sperm levels while on trt?
 

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Why chance it.
if the guy needs trt then he needs it. nobody is doing trt and replacing what they already have for the fun of daily injections next 54 years.

so trt by definition is needed so he needs hcg/hmg to keep his fertility
 

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if the guy needs trt then he needs it. nobody is doing trt and replacing what they already have for the fun of daily injections next 54 years.



so trt by definition is needed so he needs hcg/hmg to keep his fertility


I need it too. But if my chances are better to come off then I’d do that. Get the job done ASAP and hop back on.
 

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I need it too. But if my chances are better to come off then I’d do that. Get the job done ASAP and hop back on.
Been there and done that.

Next time I will be trying to stay on trt for first 6months of trying. If that doesnt work then i will come off.

Last time i went from heavy use of everything. Off 12 weeks and sperm count of 120million. Not much good with no sex drive at all. Lucky she got pregnant the first time we had sex when i was off. Even with viagra and cialis was like trying to get a bit of cooked spaghetti through a key hole.

Even once back on mentally and sexually took a good 6 months to feel almost normal again.
 

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I need it too. But if my chances are better to come off then I’d do that. Get the job done ASAP and hop back on.
there is no need to go off and after 2 weeks of going off you are guaranteed to feel like death. no fun having 120 test in your body and free test barely detectable.
 

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You can search my old posts for details, but as I've posted before, I successfully used Test + HCG + HMG to raise my sperm count from zero to 35 million, without ever going off of testosterone. And I have been using test and other steroids for over 27 years, so I was completely shut down when I started my fertility program.

I also used Clomid and Proviron and Letrozole during this time, but I don't feel they added anything to the program. If I had to do it all over again, I would keep to:

200-300mg test per week
500iu HCG every other day
30iu HMG or FSH every day

My wife is currently six months pregnant, and we are expecting a healthy baby girl in November.
 

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This is ALR's fertility protocol.

Blasting Big Balls Protocol: (right from the book)
Day
1. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg/Lupron .35mg
2. Lupron .35 mg
3. Lupron .35 mg
4. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg /Lupron .35mg
5. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
6. Lupron .35 mg
7. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
8. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg /Pergonal
9. HCG 2000iu
10. Pergonal
11. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemastane 12.5mg
12. Pergonal/HCG 2000iu
13. Pergonal
14. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg /HCG 2000iu
15. Pergonal
16. HCG 2000iu
17. Pergonal
18. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg
19. Pergonal/HCG 2000iu
20. Off
21. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg /HCG 2000iu
22. Lupron .35 mg
23. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
24. Lupron .35 mg
25. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg /Lupron .35mg
26. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
27. Lupron .35 mg
28. Cabergoline .25mg/Exemestane 12.5mg /Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu

Pergonal is HMG comes in 75 iu of FSH and 75 iu of LH per single dose vial. And it is a Sub-Q. Generic version is IM. About $11.
It says that in almost all cases where HPTA function is inhibited by the negative feedback loop due to AAS use, activity can be restored in about THREE months.

The key factors are:

1.) Control or elimination of negative feedback loops factors such as estrogen and prolactin.

2.) Reinitiating of pituitary and testes function.
Okay, so the use of an anti-prolactin like cabergoline or bromocriptine is needed, as is an anti-aromatase (anti-estrogen) such as Arimidex or Exemestane for elimination of negative feedback loops. Reinitiating of the pituitary glands and testes function is a matter of supplying GnRH, LH and FSH in the correct sequence to avoid additional feedback loops.
 

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