HDL/LDL really bad, help?

[clarkf]

I had this very conversation with my doc the other day.Everybody is on statins yet infarction rates havent dropped.Also the majority of these people infarcting were under 200 total cholesterol with acceptable hdl levels. Obviously other factors such as those mentioned above are going to be more important markers in the future.It also appears family history is really more of a key than bloodwork numbers.

kid1dakota Ive read multiple times that people having heart attacks had "normal" cholesterol #s. So why does the medical community make such a big deal out of cholesterol?? Purely to push statins on people?? Thats my guess obviously

 

[Ursine Muscle]

AAS & Lipids

The bottom line is alwasy the same: genetic, genetics, genetics.

The HDL & LDL of a friend actually got slightly better with AAS, but that was probably because of routine exercise. And still, because of family history, they were bad.

Many medications can trash our lipid profiles and many of these meds are being pushed by doctors who want at four day cruise in the Caribbean in January paid for by a pharm company. American medicine, you have to remember, ranks 37th in morbidity and our lifespans are only 38th compared to Western Europe (and Japan)--where they still smoke like crazy and eat high fat foods routinely. (WHO figures).

This being said, you have to get the bloodtests and deal with the ire/anger/wrath/pissed off reaction of your doc.

The big picture, as I see it, is that the problem isn't addressed with the proper research and that sports doctors, such as those hired for the billion dollar industy of the NFL, are not publishing what they see due to legal issues. There is a wink & a nod here, athletes are expendible racehorses. There is always a younger (and cheaper) horse in the pipeline.

The reality is that individual athletes, such as bodybuilders & powerlifters, have a common knownledge--unstructured and uneven--which far exceeds our trained "scientific" MDs. And that there should be a meeting of the minds if the most important issue was people's lives. But putting all of this together is one of the functions of this list, I guess.

 

[clarkf]

Heres the part I dont understand. If for example your HDL and LDL get altered due to AAS use or any drug for that matter that effects lipids, is this a false reading? Someone who eats donuts all day and has high cholesterol probably has alot of fat in their blood stream correct? But what about a Bodybuilder that eats chicken and potatoes all day. Their cholest numbers may still be high due to the drugs, but theyre consuming very little dietary fat. So does this really mean they have high cholesterol or just alterd cholesterol numbers due to a certain drug?

 

[Ursine Muscle]

AAS

Genetics, genetics, genetics

I once had a gf who when she wanted to clean the apt, took valium.

Medicine deals in gross data, not individuals. The same drug, substance (within reason) will effect two different people, differently.

Lipids & diet is terribly complex. Red wine, olive oil, for example, and the Mediterrean diet, despite high fat of certain types, high sodium cheeses, brine olives, etc., gives an advantage against cardio problems even for heavy smokers, such as Cypriots (highest smoking rates in Europe still, I think).

You have to find what works for you.

 

[jmwhitt]

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