Heavy metals in ug gear

[makaveli25]

Ive read several articles about underground gear containing major heavy metal contiments.. Thats pretty damn scary.. How would you know if you are being poisned by lead or tin or whatever the hell might be in it.. It makes me pretty nervous thinking about it.

 

[iprimate]

Ive read several articles about underground gear containing major heavy metal contiments.. Thats pretty damn scary.. How would you know if you are being poisned by lead or tin or whatever the hell might be in it.. It makes me pretty nervous thinking about it.

You can get blood tests once a year and if necessary you can undergo IV chelation therapy to remove the heavy metals. It's a concern but don't panic yourself about it.

 

[0o0o0o]

idk you could use a magnet lol jk

take/send your stuff to a lab, I guess they dont ask questions

 

[kid1dakota]

idk you could use a magnet lol jk

take/send your stuff to a lab, I guess they dont ask questions

I don't think you can do that anymore.A lab got busted for possesion for stuff someone sent them to test.You would have to have access to the equiptment and secretly test yourself.

 

[Newman]

You can get blood tests once a year and if necessary you can undergo IV chelation therapy to remove the heavy metals. It's a concern but don't panic yourself about it.

Have you ever looked into chelation therapy?

I have & it's not as safe & simple as you might think.

The chelation formula removes a broad spectrum of minerals from patients bodies & we rely on minerals for a lot of metabolic processes, so it's not too safe to just go yanking minerals out of people bodies.

For example, to chelate lead, cadmium & mercury, the doctor may also reduce healthy levels of Iron, calcium, copper, managnese & magnesium.

What's needed to bring chelation therapy to full maturity is to have each mineral that that the body needs available as a seperate protein chelated supplement supplement so that the patients mineral profile can be regulary & frequently monitored throughout the chelation metal removal therapy so that any individual mineral that is made deficient can be replaced before the patients' health deteriorates from mineral malnutrition...

(big $$$)

 

[Newman]

I don't think you can do that anymore.A lab got busted for possesion for stuff someone sent them to test.You would have to have access to the equiptment and secretly test yourself.

Unless you knew a SOLID above ground lab that you could trust, the only other ways to pull that off would be to hire a chemist to set up a small UG analytical lab or to contact a university and see if they are willing to do a proper expirement with UG samples obtained with proper legal authorization.

I'd love to see the results...

 

[mark123can]

Unless you knew a SOLID above ground lab that you could trust, the only other ways to pull that off would be to hire a chemist to set up a small UG analytical lab or to contact a university and see if they are willing to do a proper expirement with UG samples obtained with proper legal authorization.

I'd love to see the results...

i dont see how a university could get legal authorisation to break federal lawss and import underground lab steroids even if it was for the purposes of testing

 

[VitoBrata]

The first question that comes to my mind is how would any significant quantity of heavy metals get into gear? I mean, what in the manufacturing process would expose it?

 

[robot]

Can you please point us to test results showing issues with heavy metals in gear?

I am aware of sterility issues and have seen associated results but I have yet to see posted test results showing heavy metal issues in gear.

 

[vadim_b1]

The first question that comes to my mind is how would any significant quantity of heavy metals get into gear? I mean, what in the manufacturing process would expose it?

catalysts

organic chemistry often uses certain metals to catalyze reactions, the products then undergo purification to remove those catalysts.
Due to improper or incomplete purification process some of the metals may still remain.

 

[Newman]

i dont see how a university could get legal authorisation to break federal lawss and import underground lab steroids even if it was for the purposes of testing

Do you think they can't get permission to test controlled substances?

Stop & think about it for a second...

Ask yourself how gear experiments ever happen after the first ban took effect...

 

[robot]

Does anyone have referenceable facts around the use of heavy metals in the manufacture of testosterone derivatives or test results showing unacceptable amounts of heavy metals in gear?

 

[Newman]

catalysts

organic chemistry often uses certain metals to catalyze reactions, the products then undergo purification to remove those catalysts.
Due to improper or incomplete purification process some of the metals may still remain.

That sounds plausible.

Margarine is sometimes catalysed with nickel.

I'm thinking that the heavy metals involved would be left behind in pretty minor trace quantities though...

At least, that's what I want to believe...

 

[Newman]

Does anyone have referenceable facts around the use of heavy metals in the manufacture of testosterone derivatives or test results showing unacceptable amounts of heavy metals in gear?

Yeah, I guess AAS isn't like tuna is it?

Nobody sits down & pins a 1/2 a cup of pure test powder every week...

 

[vadim_b1]

Does anyone have referenceable facts around the use of heavy metals in the manufacture of testosterone derivatives or test results showing unacceptable amounts of heavy metals in gear?

test results have been posted many times on many boards

use the search function.

That sounds plausible.

Margarine is sometimes catalysed with nickel.

I'm thinking that the heavy metals involved would be left behind in pretty minor trace quantities though...

At least, that's what I want to believe...

obviously not if several samples were documented as having failed the test for acceptable levels of heavy metals such as lead and cadmium

i think the moral for all of this is
AAS usage requires more research than ever before, which involves finding a source for HG gear only, and a source that sells LEGIT HG gear i might add.
I seriously fear that whatever health issues supposedly caused by AAS in fact were not caused by the substance itself, but by impurities present in the preparation, as well as possible bacterial contamination and overuse of harmful solvents.

 

[robot]

**broken link removed**

This goes back to BOS test in 2005 and by the looks of it has little to do with poor synthesis technique and much to do with dirty chemicals from several of the usual culprits.

Other than this output in 2005 I don't see much to make me infer there is a general problem.

Perhaps you have better searching skills with google/site search than I.

 

[Newman]

I clicked on the link & got a message saying that I wasn't authorized to view that page!?!?

What's up with that?

How do guys use the search feature if we're no able to read what it brings up?

 

[iprimate]

Have you ever looked into chelation therapy?

I have & it's not as safe & simple as you might think.

Yes I have, at great length actually.

You should take a broad spectrum mineral supplement with any form of chelation. This will replace lost minerals and also help displace the unwanted heavy metals.

If your metal levels are "sub-clinical" then you can get away with EDTA suppositories which are affordable. Oral chelation is a waste of time and money because the absorption rate is too low. It's not great with suppositories but its much higher than oral.

IV chelation would be necessary only if your levels of heavy metals are dangerously high.

 

[iprimate]

Soybeans and Mexican Yams --> AAS

Does anyone have referenceable facts around the use of heavy metals in the manufacture of testosterone derivatives or test results showing unacceptable amounts of heavy metals in gear?

The heavy metals don't come from the manufacturing process itself but rather from the raw ingredients.

Although AAS can be produced from total synthesis it is more practical (and cost effective) for AAS manufacturers to start with a preformed steroid nucleus. This will probably surprise many but most AAS are produced from steroid nuclei derived from Mexican yams and soybeans. The heavy metals come from these crops. The heavy metals may be in negligible quantities in whole soy beans or whole yams but because many yams and many beans go into producing an industrial quantity of the steroidal sapogenin diosgenin (the starting point for much of AAS synthesis) the heavy metal content rises accordingly.

In China two issues make this especially problematic: (a) poorly enforced zoning laws which can allow farming land to be polluted by industrial runoff, making the crop more contaminated with heavy metals than in countries such as the USA; and (b) the steroidal sapogenin purchased in bulk by the steroid manufacturers (not the UGLs that purchase AAS powders) isn't necessarily quality assured by either the (Chinese) sapogenin manufacturer or the (Chinese) AAS manufacturer.

So the heavy metals enter the production process very early and because of a lack of QA for purity they get passed down the production process and into the final finished product. Most UGLs obtain their AAS powders from China and the Chinese AAS manufactueres obtain their sapogenins from Chinese manufacturers who in turn obtain their soybeans and yams from Chinese farmers.

That being said it is not true to say that all UGL AAS have heavy metals or that all ULG AAS have unacceptably high levels of heavy metals.

 

[iprimate]

**broken link removed**

This goes back to BOS test in 2005 and by the looks of it has little to do with poor synthesis technique and much to do with dirty chemicals from several of the usual culprits.

Other than this output in 2005 I don't see much to make me infer there is a general problem.

Perhaps you have better searching skills with google/site search than I.

I'll wait until Bill Lwellyn (sp?) publishes his book on UGLs before forming a conclusion.