HELLO, I Need FEEDBACK/OPINIONS on 1st injectable cycle

[pistonpump]

I am preplanning cycle for next year. Looks like this:

1-5 Dbol 30-50mg
3-5 Adex .25mg ED
1-14 Test E 500mg week
1-14 EQ 600mg week
10-16 Proviron 25mg
5-15 HCG 250iu 2x week
13-16 Anavar 50-75mg
16-17 Nolva 40mg or Ralox or Torem??? suggestions?
18-20 Nolva 20mg or ralox or torem
1-20 Liv 52 and or MilkthistleNacALA

I know it looks like alot but i want to be sure to protect against sides and i want to have a good cycle. I dont see much feedback on Ralox or Toremifene so I dont know what doses to take. Any feedback would be apprieciated.

btw....Im 6'2 205lbs 12% BF done numerous oral steriod cycles this will be the first injectable but im 99.9% sure i can handle the pinning.

 

[pistonpump]

BUMP

how does this look, can anyone help me out here? im mainly questioning how to keep away from gyno if i should run AI or SERM befor i go on proviron.

 

[cryptasm]

First , I congradulate you on thinking...so many people do thier first inj cycle with the shotgun approach, and pay no attention to educating themselves beforehand...that said, there are others who read a list of sides and then prepare for their first cycle by adding so many things to reduce sides that they almost become "side paranoid"...

I think the Adex is ok during the first few weeks to keep off the water and protect from gyno, the test and eq at those dosages shouldn't be an issue at those doasages so unless you turn out to be very sensitive to androgens you shouldn't have any issues here.. Using the hcg everyweek could raise estrogen , if it were me I would just use it once a month 250iu x 5 days..since you'll be on over 3 mos, that should cover ya, i think every week hcg is overkill here...just make sure you use it 2 weeks b4 you come off and then the nolva should do the job from there...
Ralox Torem???? I dunno,

other than that it looks fine...if it were me though I'd keep it simple..
Kickstart Dbol 1-4
500 test,600 EQ 1-14
Proviron at .25 pd (NOLV OR AROMASIN IF NEEDED)
HCG every 4 weeks for 5days at 250-500iu pd
if i were gonna run anavar I'd run it longer (too expensive IMO)
I dont do PCT so I won't comment
does that help??


1-5 Dbol 30-50mg
3-5 Adex .25mg ED
1-14 Test E 500mg week
1-14 EQ 600mg week
10-16 Proviron 25mg
5-15 HCG 250iu 2x week
13-16 Anavar 50-75mg
16-17 Nolva 40mg or Ralox or Torem??? suggestions?
18-20 Nolva 20mg or ralox or torem
1-20 Liv 52 and or MilkthistleNacALA

 

[pistonpump]

I think the Adex is ok during the first few weeks to keep off the water and protect from gyno, the test and eq at those dosages shouldn't be an issue at those doasages so unless you turn out to be very sensitive to androgens you shouldn't have any issues here.. Using the hcg everyweek could raise estrogen , if it were me I would just use it once a month 250iu x 5 days..since you'll be on over 3 mos, that should cover ya, i think every week hcg is overkill here...just make sure you use it 2 weeks b4 you come off and then the nolva should do the job from there...
Ralox Torem???? I dunno,

other than that it looks fine...if it were me though I'd keep it simple..
Kickstart Dbol 1-4
500 test,600 EQ 1-14
Proviron at .25 pd (NOLV OR AROMASIN IF NEEDED)
HCG every 4 weeks for 5days at 250-500iu pd
if i were gonna run anavar I'd run it longer (too expensive IMO)
I dont do PCT so I won't comment
does that help??

so use hcg once a month for 5 days then wait til next month is that what u mean, sorry?

Im goin to keep off the anavar, maybe in the future. i mainly wanted to use it because people said it doesnt suppress and hardly liver toxic. but ill keep it off.

I will get 50mg proviron so is it okay to use EOD or should i split it and take 25mg ED?

What AI should i use on cycle. Im going to get 12 weeks of proviron so the other 6 weeks what should I use?

why dont you do PCT? how does that work for you?

 

[STORM SHADOW]

My first was given to me in the 80's by the very CERTAIN Dr for the WWF...that's right. First inj cycle was Anavar and Deca 2cc's per week (nothing else) and that was it and I grew like a weed. It's still my opinion that's all a person should do on their first and in their 20's.

THE STORM

 

[cryptasm]

so use hcg once a month for 5 days then wait til next month is that what u mean, sorry?yup

Im goin to keep off the anavar, maybe in the future. i mainly wanted to use it because people said it doesnt suppress and hardly liver toxic. but ill keep it off. i think thata a wise choice, its not very liver toxic at all, so dont worry about it..

I will get 50mg proviron so is it okay to use EOD or should i split it and take 25mg ED? i would do every day, bodies by design has 25mgs for a good price, i just got some

What AI should i use on cycle. Im going to get 12 weeks of proviron so the other 6 weeks what should I use? i like aromasin (examestane)

why dont you do PCT? how does that work for you?

im 43 so i just cut down to 200mgs a weeks when I'm not on cycle, my natural levelas are low so why bother living with em?? there are a ton of articals on here about PCT, read em and find a protocall that you like, and follow it.. no reason to reinvent the wheel..that robox or whatever looks promising but I havent heard of anyone who used it yet so stick with something thats proven for now..

and like Storm suggests..KISS keep it simple stupid (no offense im not calling u stupid, its just an expression ... my first cycle in the 80's was sustanon and anavar, it worked well but i ran it for 10 weeks.. spend mor time planning you r diet than your cycle and you'll get the best gains from what ever you take...

 

[dragonfire101]

My first was given to me in the 80's by the very CERTAIN Dr for the WWF...that's right.It's still my opinion that's all a person should do on their first and in their 20's.

deca/test and a little d-bol the 1st four weeks is a simple beginner cycle that is pretty much standard.

I worked security in college with a co-worker who use to work security for the WWF and told me so many stories of after parties he use to work that the wrestlers went to. Some crazy sh*t. He had alot of stories about the Original China Club in N.Y.

 

[STORM SHADOW]

deca/test and a little d-bol the 1st four weeks is a simple beginner cycle that is pretty much standard.

I worked security in college with a co-worker who use to work security for the WWF and told me so many stories of after parties he use to work that the wrestlers went to. Some crazy sh*t. He had alot of stories about the Original China Club in N.Y.

awww the 80's... I'm still soooo stuck on it. I'd do anything to go back. The music, the women and the way they dressed... grrrrrrrrrr shwwwwing!

THE STORM

 

[cryptasm]

awww the 80's... I'm still soooo stuck on it. I'd do anything to go back. The music, the women and the way they dressed... grrrrrrrrrr shwwwwing!

THE STORM

I'm with ya Storm!!!!!

 

[pistonpump]

everyone is suggesting deca but i really am growing not to fond of its profile. I know it is great for bulking but im gonna give the EQ a go. Deca has alot of sides that im not digging. no one likes EQ over deca?

 

[STORM SHADOW]

everyone is suggesting deca but i really am growing not to fond of its profile. I know it is great for bulking but im gonna give the EQ a go. Deca has alot of sides that im not digging. no one likes EQ over deca?

Alot of sides on Deca? Besides Deca dick which many say is bull... what sides does Deca have? it's actually the most trusted anabolic by the medical community.

THE STORM

 

[K1]

My first was given to me in the 80's by the very CERTAIN Dr for the WWF...that's right. First inj cycle was Anavar and Deca 2cc's per week (nothing else) and that was it and I grew like a weed. It's still my opinion that's all a person should do on their first and in their 20's.

THE STORM

Bump this, why not stay simple for a first cycle,,,the bare minimum will give anyone great results,,,too many rookies now a days think that they need alot of gear on a first cycle, and that will help them become the next Arnoldin a couple of months??!!! A Test Enan only cycle would be a perfect first cycle for anyone!!!