Help! Cant Lower Fasted Blood Glucose

[NGL34]

Whats your A1C?

bg average over 3 months

whats BG before bed and during the day?

ACHS, AC b4 meals, HS before bed

For the OP- cardio, low glycemic carbs, increase fiber with meals, incorporate some omega 3 oils with ea. meal if trying to drive fasting bg down natural.

 

[NY Muscle]

You guys are preaching diet, drugs, not using drugs, etc, the solution no one wants to hear is: cardio.

Also, he is dieting on low carbs, in a constant state of gluconeogenesis (turn protein into glucose) and this is driving up even his fasted glucose.

No that's incorrect.

Low carbs in fact will give someone physiological insulin resistance which is not a bad thing, just means the body is functioning correctly.

As far as your GNG statement (decades old myth) that's way wrong.

GLUCONEOGENESIS is always happening and is a demand driven process not supply.

Regarding excess protein -> glucose

http://www.ketotic.org/2012/08/if-you-eat-excess-protein-does-it-turn.html

The body mostly turns protein into glucose based on need: http://caloriesproper.com/dietary-protein-does-not-negatively-impact-blood-glucose-control/

It is hard to eat enough excess protein to remove you from ketosis entirely, often it doesn't change anything:
http://caloriesproper.com/dietary-protein-does-not-negatively-impact-blood-glucose-control/

And of course, the genius, Peter, says the same, aminos CAN provide oxalaoacetate to reduce ketogenesis, but the question is, does this happen in the liver? http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2015/02/ketosis-and-protein.html

I happily accept any other articles that state the contrary of what is being proposed here. However, the evidence and biochemistry stands to reason: it is quite difficult to over consume protein to the point of being out of ketosis.

http://youtu.be/4JE-wdA3PHw

http://examine.com/faq/how-much-protein-can-i-eat-in-one-sitting/

https://youtu.be/mjmV8BlsJTQ

http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/

Finally...The human evidence on reasonable variations in protein consumption disagree. The rate of GNG is relatively fixed and is NOT affected by supply!

There is not a single study in humans (and none in rats/frogs/pigs/et that I'm aware of) which indicate too much protein does anything but spike blood glucose moderately. The only study I've seen that tested both insulin and glucagon indicates that the I/G ratio is preserved, meaning the BG spike does not "kick you out of ketosis."

I did 5 days of very high protein 450+ grams..a lot higher than I normally do some meals were over 100 grams of protein per meal, whey protein, & I did blood ketone tests over 50 times in those 5 days and never did I have any problems with ketosis. bg spiked a little but dropped shortly after and often below pre-protein ingesting numbers.

in a ketogenic individual, the evidence of raising insulin is that, while true (though the insulin spike is generally mild and short-term) there is a near immediate glucagon spike, which preserves the insulin/glucagon ratio.

So eat all the protein you want...


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[Kaladryn]

No that's incorrect.

Low carbs in fact will give someone physiological insulin resistance which is not a bad thing, just means the body is functioning correctly.

As far as your GNG statement (decades old myth) that's way wrong.

GLUCONEOGENESIS is always happening and is a demand driven process not supply.

Regarding excess protein -> glucose

The Ketogenic Diet for Health: If You Eat Excess Protein, Does It Turn Into Excess Glucose?

The body mostly turns protein into glucose based on need: http://caloriesproper.com/dietary-protein-does-not-negatively-impact-blood-glucose-control/

It is hard to eat enough excess protein to remove you from ketosis entirely, often it doesn't change anything:
http://caloriesproper.com/dietary-protein-does-not-negatively-impact-blood-glucose-control/

And of course, the genius, Peter, says the same, aminos CAN provide oxalaoacetate to reduce ketogenesis, but the question is, does this happen in the liver? Hyperlipid: Ketosis and Protein

I happily accept any other articles that state the contrary of what is being proposed here. However, the evidence and biochemistry stands to reason: it is quite difficult to over consume protein to the point of being out of ketosis.

http://youtu.be/4JE-wdA3PHw

How much protein can I eat in one sitting? | Examine.com

https://youtu.be/mjmV8BlsJTQ

The Myth of 1 g/lb: Optimal Protein Intake for Bodybuilders

Finally...The human evidence on reasonable variations in protein consumption disagree. The rate of GNG is relatively fixed and is NOT affected by supply!

There is not a single study in humans (and none in rats/frogs/pigs/et that I'm aware of) which indicate too much protein does anything but spike blood glucose moderately. The only study I've seen that tested both insulin and glucagon indicates that the I/G ratio is preserved, meaning the BG spike does not "kick you out of ketosis."

I did 5 days of very high protein 450+ grams..a lot higher than I normally do some meals were over 100 grams of protein per meal, whey protein, & I did blood ketone tests over 50 times in those 5 days and never did I have any problems with ketosis. bg spiked a little but dropped shortly after and often below pre-protein ingesting numbers.

in a ketogenic individual, the evidence of raising insulin is that, while true (though the insulin spike is generally mild and short-term) there is a near immediate glucagon spike, which preserves the insulin/glucagon ratio.

So eat all the protein you want...


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He didn't say anything about being on a ketogenic diet, I assumed he wasn't. Almost all of that information you posted is based on being in ketosis or moderate protein levels. Also they did see a small increase in blood glucose levels.

Remember to apply basic conservation of energy to these ideas. There is only a limited amount of undigested protein that pass though the body AND there is no storage mechanism for protein. As I have pointed out before, protein used for muscle building and repair has ZERO calories, it becomes potential energy in the body (in the form of tissues). All other protein is metabolized and will become glucose or fat. I'm not saying it will necessarily increase blood sugar very much, I don't know maybe it will at high enough amounts, but I am saying that it has to go SOMEWHERE. Unless you are in ketosis, and excesss ketones are excreted, something has to happen to that protein.

IMO the real reason not to eat too much protein: If you eat too much protein, you cannot eat enough carbs or fat. Carbs are anabolic, and fat is necessary, so that right there caps protein intake at about 30-40% of total calories max.

If you are playing with ketosis it is a different story, but that's not my thing.

 

[para]

You guys are preaching diet, drugs, not using drugs, etc, the solution no one wants to hear is: cardio.

Also, he is dieting on low carbs, in a constant state of gluconeogenesis (turn protein into glucose) and this is driving up even his fasted glucose.

Thanks for posting this. My fasting BG in the morning is always 95-100. My AC-1 is perfect. I have tried Metformin and it doesn't drop it. I eat a lower carb, higher protein and fat diet and have for many years as my body prefers that. I've been stumped and had suspected my higher BG could be from an energy drink I have in the mornings, but low carbs could be it.

 

[Kaladryn]

Thanks for posting this. My fasting BG in the morning is always 95-100. My AC-1 is perfect. I have tried Metformin and it doesn't drop it. I eat a lower carb, higher protein and fat diet and have for many years as my body prefers that. I've been stumped and had suspected my higher BG could be from an energy drink I have in the mornings, but low carbs could be it.

Eating 30-40% of total calories from carbs is hard. To me, getting quality carbs is the hardest part of eating. Everything I actually want to eat for carbs is generally fast digesting crap: ground up grains, sugars, etc. The good carbs tend to be less dense and a pain in the ass to prepare and consume. BUT if you can do it, eat quality carbs AND make them 30-40% of total calories, then you spare your protein to be dedicated to repair and growth, plus you get optimal glycogen stores a muscle gets up to 35% of it's size from stored glycogen in the average person, this could be 50% in a bodybuilder, I don't know it hasn't be studied.

Perhaps the best part of a diet that is macro nutrient balanced is lack of kidney stress from dealing with all that protein metabolism byproducts, and anyone who trains hard is already dealing with myoglobin stress on the kidneys, made worse in the presence of excess uric acid.