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Hey I got this question from someone thru PM and I felt it was valuable enough in general that I thought I would answer it here and the kratom thread.
HIS QUESTION:
Hi DC,
I saw your post in the forums in the "help with sleep" thread and saw that you posted about how phenibut can sort of "re-set" your sensitivity to kratom.
I was wondering if you could go into that a little more as you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about that.
I have taken kratom multiple time a day, every day for the past 9 months or so. I'm not "addicted to it", but I would say that I probably have a mild dependence on it. I'm looking to wean myself off slowly and only take it a few times a week. Do you think something like phenibut could help with this?
Thanks for any insight you're willing to provide.
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My response:
I am not qualified to be recommending anything. I will however share my experience and to the degree its useful to others then I am glad I shared it.
I think everybodies physiology is different first and foremost so whether you are talking Kratom, phenibut, ephedrine, or damn near anything else a couple things stand out to me.
THE DOSAGES AND THE EFFECTS WILL BE VARIABLE BETWEEN USERS.
With Kratom, theres also a ton of variability between strains and until you figure out what your particular favorites are you should not come to any conclusions. Idealy, you want to find a couple favorites which will allow you to switch them up hopefully keeping the effects around without getting trapped in an ever increasing dosage related to chasing that feeling.
Blending to me has only complicated my ability to understand what is working and I have settled on mostly white strains as I was always a guy that liked stimulants and got nauseated with sedating drugs.
I am throwing in a Spring Valley Turmeric Curcumin Complex capsule from Walmart now with my 3 daily dosages and it certainly does not hurt the effects and many times I have felt there is some potentiating. I do tend to mostly do kratom on an empty stomach or wait until after 1 hour after eating.
My dose now remains around 3-4 grams and I have stuck with this for the last 6 weeks with the only variation once or twice a week when I may do a 4th dose in the early evening. I rotate generally everyday with one of 3 favorite strains. Pimp Grade Me dang, white lightning, or thai white. I do have some super euphoric and super green malay that I may throw in for my 3rd dose of the day, but I still like the whites the best and do not think I would do Kratom if it was not for me having discovered the whites. In fact, there are many strains that make me feel worse and not better, so I think you have to figure out what you like through experimenting and a negative experience may lead you to conclude kratoms not right for you.
Phenibut: Is a remarkably great supplement thats legal and cheap. It works great for social anxiety and sleep. It may also be very helpful as an aid to weaning off Kratom. Or maybe helping you limit your Kratom usage day to day as another tool in your tool box.
If you use it to get high then you are going to run all the risks and problems that you get into with tolerance, addiction, withdrawls that you get with Kratom. These people post a ton of stuff about withdrawls and the risk of using it more than once or twice a week.
Like with kratom, ephedrine, and a slew of other suppliments it appears to
realease natural stores of energy at a rate higher than normal and so if you deplete the stores beyond your bodies ability to replenish you are asking for an experience probably equally or more negative then what you got on the way up with the dosage.
You want to see what low to moderate daily usage is all about. Look at the responses from people on WEBMD who are using it at dosages less than 1 gram a day, in some cases 1 gram split 2- 3 ways per day.
For sleep and also to get a sense of its value in countering Kratom negatives, try 500mg in late afternoon. It will take a couple hours for effect and it will allow you to get a very deep sleep without the risk of excessive drowseyness earlier in the day. After you have done this for a few days and are not waking up with a heavy fog. Try a 500mg dose in the morning and then again in the afternoon.
Now you either wean the kratom, or discontinue it, but do not go up to recreational dosages on the phenibut if you intend to use it more than a couple times a week.
If you read web md, responses you will see that there are so many positive reports of people using it everyday at low dosages and getting life changing results similar to what kratom users discover.
But mix them if you wish and use them both on a daily basis, or move to one or the other as they both seem great tools as stand alone. It gets a whole lot more complicated if you are doing half kratom and half phenibut each day to live happily ever after.
Happily ever after is never found in any drug, but these two drugs used in dosages than limit tolerance building and addictions related to chasing the high, come pretty close to the best at lowest risk I have ever found.
You should always be able to stop without tremendous discomfort if you refuse to up the dosage and chase the high. All bets are off if you can not control yourself.
These two supplements are way to valuable for some of us long term to abuse. For others who just need a recreational high now and then can do it and get away with it. Simply because their body are getting a long enough break between highs.
I do not think anyone sells Phenibut on the boards and so I hope its alright to say: I have found powdercity.com to have very pure phenibut and a 125gm pack would be cheap and enough to answer if it was right for you. You might even go with a smaller pack, but its so cheap and I am betting if you have social anxiety or depression you may be happy to find that you get months worth of help for about $10 a month.
Hope that helps.
DC
Hey I got this question from someone thru PM and I felt it was valuable enough in general that I thought I would answer it here and the kratom thread.
HIS QUESTION:
Hi DC,
I saw your post in the forums in the "help with sleep" thread and saw that you posted about how phenibut can sort of "re-set" your sensitivity to kratom.
I was wondering if you could go into that a little more as you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about that.
I have taken kratom multiple time a day, every day for the past 9 months or so. I'm not "addicted to it", but I would say that I probably have a mild dependence on it. I'm looking to wean myself off slowly and only take it a few times a week. Do you think something like phenibut could help with this?
Thanks for any insight you're willing to provide.
######################################
My response:
I am not qualified to be recommending anything. I will however share my experience and to the degree its useful to others then I am glad I shared it.
I think everybodies physiology is different first and foremost so whether you are talking Kratom, phenibut, ephedrine, or damn near anything else a couple things stand out to me.
THE DOSAGES AND THE EFFECTS WILL BE VARIABLE BETWEEN USERS.
With Kratom, theres also a ton of variability between strains and until you figure out what your particular favorites are you should not come to any conclusions. Idealy, you want to find a couple favorites which will allow you to switch them up hopefully keeping the effects around without getting trapped in an ever increasing dosage related to chasing that feeling.
Blending to me has only complicated my ability to understand what is working and I have settled on mostly white strains as I was always a guy that liked stimulants and got nauseated with sedating drugs.
I am throwing in a Spring Valley Turmeric Curcumin Complex capsule from Walmart now with my 3 daily dosages and it certainly does not hurt the effects and many times I have felt there is some potentiating. I do tend to mostly do kratom on an empty stomach or wait until after 1 hour after eating.
My dose now remains around 3-4 grams and I have stuck with this for the last 6 weeks with the only variation once or twice a week when I may do a 4th dose in the early evening. I rotate generally everyday with one of 3 favorite strains. Pimp Grade Me dang, white lightning, or thai white. I do have some super euphoric and super green malay that I may throw in for my 3rd dose of the day, but I still like the whites the best and do not think I would do Kratom if it was not for me having discovered the whites. In fact, there are many strains that make me feel worse and not better, so I think you have to figure out what you like through experimenting and a negative experience may lead you to conclude kratoms not right for you.
Phenibut: Is a remarkably great supplement thats legal and cheap. It works great for social anxiety and sleep. It may also be very helpful as an aid to weaning off Kratom. Or maybe helping you limit your Kratom usage day to day as another tool in your tool box.
If you use it to get high then you are going to run all the risks and problems that you get into with tolerance, addiction, withdrawls that you get with Kratom. These people post a ton of stuff about withdrawls and the risk of using it more than once or twice a week.
Like with kratom, ephedrine, and a slew of other suppliments it appears to
realease natural stores of energy at a rate higher than normal and so if you deplete the stores beyond your bodies ability to replenish you are asking for an experience probably equally or more negative then what you got on the way up with the dosage.
You want to see what low to moderate daily usage is all about. Look at the responses from people on WEBMD who are using it at dosages less than 1 gram a day, in some cases 1 gram split 2- 3 ways per day.
For sleep and also to get a sense of its value in countering Kratom negatives, try 500mg in late afternoon. It will take a couple hours for effect and it will allow you to get a very deep sleep without the risk of excessive drowseyness earlier in the day. After you have done this for a few days and are not waking up with a heavy fog. Try a 500mg dose in the morning and then again in the afternoon.
Now you either wean the kratom, or discontinue it, but do not go up to recreational dosages on the phenibut if you intend to use it more than a couple times a week.
If you read web md, responses you will see that there are so many positive reports of people using it everyday at low dosages and getting life changing results similar to what kratom users discover.
But mix them if you wish and use them both on a daily basis, or move to one or the other as they both seem great tools as stand alone. It gets a whole lot more complicated if you are doing half kratom and half phenibut each day to live happily ever after.
Happily ever after is never found in any drug, but these two drugs used in dosages than limit tolerance building and addictions related to chasing the high, come pretty close to the best at lowest risk I have ever found.
You should always be able to stop without tremendous discomfort if you refuse to up the dosage and chase the high. All bets are off if you can not control yourself.
These two supplements are way to valuable for some of us long term to abuse. For others who just need a recreational high now and then can do it and get away with it. Simply because their body are getting a long enough break between highs.
I do not think anyone sells Phenibut on the boards and so I hope its alright to say: I have found powdercity.com to have very pure phenibut and a 125gm pack would be cheap and enough to answer if it was right for you. You might even go with a smaller pack, but its so cheap and I am betting if you have social anxiety or depression you may be happy to find that you get months worth of help for about $10 a month.
Hope that helps.
DC
