Herrnon, Ry, A...can you elaborate on this GH question.

[RamboStallone]

Try 12 to 15 ius every third day.

I was thinking something like 15iu on Monday and Thursday evenings/prebed. I'd like to hear more about it when you have a chance. I'm not even a GH user but I've been thinking about trying some things out. I tried generics previously at 3-5iu daily and wasn't too impressed.

 

[the_warrior]

Gotcha. I was taking a pop at you. You bring up a good point that everyone just kinda follows the flavor of the day now. It seems like back in the day a lot more experience went into stuff vs nowadays.

Chad Nicholls was probably the first one to popularize the infrequent use of insulin back in the day, and this thread topic reminded me of the good old days.

Would you want to time that to be on days where you train a weak body part? If the goal is to maximize igf elevation then I would think you'd want to break it up into several shots...4iu every 4 hours or something similar

Would you want to make those your insulin days under a Nichols type protocol...maybe 5iu humilin r with each growth shot or however much slin matches your carb intake

 

[jlm25]

Gotcha. I was taking a pop at you. You bring up a good point that everyone just kinda follows the flavor of the day now. It seems like back in the day a lot more experience went into stuff vs nowadays.
Chad Nicholls was probably the first one to popularize the infrequent use of insulin back in the day, and this thread topic reminded me of the good old days.

I would think it would be the opposite. These days we have loads more knowledge about the topic, access to more testing, more product, etc.

 

[jlm25]

I was thinking something like 15iu on Monday and Thursday evenings/prebed. I'd like to hear more about it when you have a chance. I'm not even a GH user but I've been thinking about trying some things out. I tried generics previously at 3-5iu daily and wasn't too impressed.

From the right supplier, generics are on par with pharm grade purity wise.

 

[dantes]

Try 12 to 15 ius every third day.

A pro from the 90's i used to talk to said he ran 10 ius of gh with 10ius of slin together postworkout 3 days a week. He said he did it m w f. He believed it to be the best bang for buck as far as mass goes. It seems to be obvuisly healther than doing everyday or multiple times daily as frequent use would fuck up your insulin sensitivity much more. He wasnt a big name pro by any means but his his reasoning sounded solid.

 

[nothuman]

A pro from the 90's i used to talk to said he ran 10 ius of gh with 10ius of slin together postworkout 3 days a week. He said he did it m w f. He believed it to be the best bang for buck as far as mass goes. It seems to be obvuisly healther than doing everyday or multiple times daily as frequent use would fuck up your insulin sensitivity much more. He wasnt a big name pro by any means but his his reasoning sounded solid.

I am not so sure about healthier. I wouldn't mind a debate over that. A large dose could have a bigger impact on insulin sensitivity and things like heart hypertrophy.

 

[maxtrax]

I"ve run it both ways.

5ius everyday for the month didn't add much size just more of a recomp.

I ran 20ius for 5 days first week of month and gained some weight and made me look very full.

 

[dantes]

I am not so sure about healthier. I wouldn't mind a debate over that. A large dose could have a bigger impact on insulin sensitivity and things like heart hypertrophy.

I expect it would be the opposite because your blood glucose levels would be effected a couple times per week as oppoeed to all day long.

I could very well be wrong...maybe someone with a medical background could answer this q.

 

[RamboStallone]

From what I have read and saw, slin sensitivity is affected the most when time under the curve (gh is active) is longest. Meaning the longer under active gh lead to larger decreases in slin sensitivity.

I agree with dantes on this one.

 

[jlm25]

From what I have read and saw, slin sensitivity is affected the most when time under the curve (gh is active) is longest. Meaning the longer under active gh lead to larger decreases in slin sensitivity.

I agree with dantes on this one.

I have been on gh running 10iu a day for the better part of a year and I have notice zero decrease in insulin sensitivity. Apart from theories and conjectures this method doesn't have a leg to stand on. I don't see an individual would not want steady numbers, that is why we run anabolics in similar fashion.

 

[the_warrior]

I have been on gh running 10iu a day for the better part of a year and I have notice zero decrease in insulin sensitivity. Apart from theories and conjectures this method doesn't have a leg to stand on. I don't see an individual would not want steady numbers, that is why we run anabolics in similar fashion.

I think the question is whether different dosing protocols result in different IGF levels

In dat's board, it has been discussed that igf levels are maximized when there is a gh elevation for a prolonged period as one gets with cjc dac, mk677...or large doses of gh and even better multiple dosings of gh with an overlapping period of action

In that context, I wonder whether it is important to have a continuous elevation or whether it is the cumulative elevation over a period of days and weeks...in which case many smaller dosings would actually get you higher igf-1 levels

Then again, none of this might matter at all...

 

[RamboStallone]

I have been on gh running 10iu a day for the better part of a year and I have notice zero decrease in insulin sensitivity. Apart from theories and conjectures this method doesn't have a leg to stand on. I don't see an individual would not want steady numbers, that is why we run anabolics in similar fashion.

On 3-5iu my fasted BG was up to 100. Without GH even on peps it's 70-80. The more it is active and slin sensitivity is decreased more and igf levels are higher is what seems to be the case from blood work posted on the boards. My conclusions may be off to be honest but I thought it was fact GH decreased slin sensitivity. And I'm pretty sure even studies showed more frequent dosing to have higher igf levels. I could be wrong though.

You may not experience this issue. I have a genetic predisposition to Type 2 diabetes so my slin sensitivity tends to go pretty quickly. That's why I am interested in this less frequent "boom" dosing if you will.

 

[RamboStallone]

I think the question is whether different dosing protocols result in different IGF levels

In dat's board, it has been discussed that igf levels are maximized when there is a gh elevation for a prolonged period as one gets with cjc dac, mk677...or large doses of gh and even better multiple dosings of gh with an overlapping period of action

In that context, I wonder whether it is important to have a continuous elevation or whether it is the cumulative elevation over a period of days and weeks...in which case many smaller dosings would actually get you higher igf-1 levels

Then again, none of this might matter at all...

We saw this with blood work on gh peps, more frequent dosing lead to higher igf levels.

 

[jlm25]

On 3-5iu my fasted BG was up to 100. Without GH even on peps it's 70-80. The more it is active and slin sensitivity is decreased more and igf levels are higher is what seems to be the case from blood work posted on the boards. My conclusions may be off to be honest but I thought it was fact GH decreased slin sensitivity. And I'm pretty sure even studies showed more frequent dosing to have higher igf levels. I could be wrong though.

You may not experience this issue. I have a genetic predisposition to Type 2 diabetes so my slin sensitivity tends to go pretty quickly. That's why I am interested in this less frequent "boom" dosing if you will.

It might benefit you with your predisposition. I know a few friends that it has actually effected their insulin sensitivity. but fuck, as we know, everything is so user dependent!!

 

[11111]

I have been on gh running 10iu a day for the better part of a year and I have notice zero decrease in insulin sensitivity. Apart from theories and conjectures this method doesn't have a leg to stand on. I don't see an individual would not want steady numbers, that is why we run anabolics in similar fashion.

Jlm, have been running fasted blood glucose tests during this time or are you going strictly by how you feel?

I agree with Rambo, I think it is somewhat genetic how affected someone will be by the various gh sides.

 

[jlm25]

Jlm, have been running fasted blood glucose tests during this time or are you going strictly by how you feel?

I agree with Rambo, I think it is somewhat genetic how affected someone will be by the various gh sides.

I have ran a few fasted blood glucose test. I do it once a week.

 

[11111]

I have ran a few fasted blood glucose test. I do it once a week.

Ok, nice. Great to hear you're avoiding the insulin resistance.

 

[Massive G]

I am not so sure about healthier. I wouldn't mind a debate over that. A large dose could have a bigger impact on insulin sensitivity and things like heart hypertrophy.

The dose is taken around the work out when the cells are most receptive to GH insulin etc, insulin is used as well.
I'll write more later, but the point of all this is large infrequent doses are the most effective way to take it.
If someone takes 18-21 ius GH every third day, it averages to the same daily use of 6 ius per day. So many people are focused on the half lives that they don't see the truth that constantly saturating the body with GH lessens the effectiveness of the dose.

 

[jlm25]

The dose is taken around the work out when the cells are most receptive to GH insulin etc, insulin is used as well.
I'll write more later, but the point of all this is large infrequent doses are the most effective way to take it.
If someone takes 18-21 ius GH every third day, it averages to the same daily use of 6 ius per day. So many people are focused on the half lives that they don't see the truth that constantly saturating the body with GH lessens the effectiveness of the dose.

Do you have some sort of proof to illustrate that this is the best way to take it?

 

[Mike Arnold]

The dose is taken around the work out when the cells are most receptive to GH insulin etc, insulin is used as well.
I'll write more later, but the point of all this is large infrequent doses are the most effective way to take it.
If someone takes 18-21 ius GH every third day, it averages to the same daily use of 6 ius per day. So many people are focused on the half lives that they don't see the truth that constantly saturating the body with GH lessens the effectiveness of the dose.

Although there are still some unanswered questions regarding the different methods of GH administration, the person's goals will largely determine which method is ideal. This means there is no single best way to take GH simply because different dosing patterns will produce different results, especially in terms of fat loss. This is a fairly complex subject, but as you said...a very interesting one. However, to really make this a viable thread (in terms of providing new information), we would need to address a bunch of different variables within the context of goal attainment. This would require a considerable time investment by those participating.