HGH Bloat Dieting/Supplement Advice?

[ft33]

Is it a bad idea to take beta blockers while on hgh? I don't have time to read all those articles right now, but will bookmark it for the weekend.

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[ft33]

My diet has been on point and the bloat is so bad my pants are getting super tight around my thighs lol. I'll be switching hgh brands soon. It will be interesting to see if it is any different with regards to bloat.

 

[ft33]

Dandelion root has really worked well for the bloating issues. I was not expecting it to work so well/fast..

 

[themuscle]

First time i ran gh I didn’t get any water retention, though I may have been on God’s juice the tren as well lol. This time i am running 2iu gh morning, and 10mg mk pre bed. I am retaining some so I’m not sure if it’s better gh or the mk-677 I’m running even though it’s only 10mg. Either was does the gh water retention subside or stay until you stop??


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[Bmac101]

First time i ran gh I didn’t get any water retention, though I may have been on God’s juice the tren as well lol. This time i am running 2iu gh morning, and 10mg mk pre bed. I am retaining some so I’m not sure if it’s better gh or the mk-677 I’m running even though it’s only 10mg. Either was does the gh water retention subside or stay until you stop??


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Mk is probably the main cause of your bloat, at 10mg it won't be bad, but I still hold water even with 10mg. At 20mg I go up like 7 - 10 pounds of water in days. Made my BP rocket too, had to drop it. Re-started at 10mg pre-bed and it's not too bad (for me).

 

[prodaf]

bump if anyone used nebivolol with hgh

 

[prodaf]

bump if anyone used nebivolol for bloat, moon face etc....

 

[johnjuanb1]

Limit calories to 500 per meal.
Do cardio.
Drink plenty of water

 

[IsaacHaze1]

Dam now you have me wondering if I should try aldactone. Just 25mg ED? Any bad sides (particularly related to sexual function?)

aldactone is a pretty potent anti androgen. Just FYI. I wouldnt want to take it long term. It is used in combination with Estrogen in Transgender therapy.

 

[prodaf]

Limit calories to 500 per meal.
Do cardio.
Drink plenty of water

if it was so easy but thx bro...

 

[1bigmofo]

If you get abdominal bloating I have been using GI comfort by Optimal Health. I used it for about 30 days and saw a drastic reduction in belly bloat and distention. I ran out and it returned. I ordered some more and again, in about 10 days abdominal bloat was significantly reduced. May want to gibe it a shot...I won't stop using it again.

 

[bighank]

Ive been on kefeis for 2 months and bloated as fuck.on only 2 iu a day.horrible.i just switched to tp greys today.im so bloated my BP shot up alot.my heads kills me all day.my eyes feel like there going to blow out of my head.diet is low carb and low salt.i srink alot pf water all day.had a headache for a week.went to my dr and my endo.got put on BP meds.just started today hopefully it works.if not gona drop to 1 iu a day.im 38 so it will still do something.im on 150mgs of trt a day.sucks i never got this bad on gh.been on and off for 10 years.if this dont work gona have to stop gh.this sucks

 

[pickapeck]

In fact....here is the original post from the guy in case someone is looking for it.



I am one of those individuals that will start retaining water on just 2ius per day. I came across this article in another group and decided to give it a try at 2.5mg twice per day. I am now up to 4 ius per day with no water retention. I just wanted to share this i case it may help someone else since I have learned so much from this board over the years.

Nebivolol – the ultimate antihypertensive drug that all users should consider
As we know, anabolic hormones alter the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system causing potential changes in salt balance, water retention, blood volume, then subsequently hypertension, LVH and kidney damage.
Coupled with changes in LDL and HDL ratio, not really a pleasant environment for your heart, arteries, circulation.

1. Standard beta blockers causes major alterations in insulin sensitivity and lipid mobilisation. Resulting in type 2 diabetes, and therefore fatloss becoming impossible

2. Angiotensin II receptor antagonist and ACE inhibitors lower plasma noradrenaline levels. Not exactly a good thing when you need this to increase for optimal CNS engagement (strength), fat loss, and energy.

I’ve looked in to all these other classes of drugs used to treat hypertension (except diuretics), and they all have side effects that are not exactly ideal. Generally, they don’t target the core issue, in relation to hormone use, this being alterations in the system I mentioned above. Instead they increase Renin and Aldosterone as a compensatory mechanism.

Here comes Nebivolol. A cardioselective beta 1 antagonist. It is also a beta 3 agonist. Amazing. It has profound nitric oxide properties as well. It doesn’t alter exercise tolerance, it actually aids in fat loss, it doesn’t alter plasma noradrenaline levels (it just blocks noradrenaline from acting on the beta 1 receptors in the heart and kidneys); Lowers renin and aldosterone; It reverses LVH; increases glucose and lipid metabolism; increases Testosterone by 80-90%; and many more… literally void of any side effects.
“In the nebivolol group, a significant decrease in blood pressures (P < 0.001) and heart rate (P < 0.01) was seen. Nebivolol therapy also suppressed plasma renin and aldosterone concentration (P < 0.02) but increased plasma atrial natriuretic peptide levels (P < 0.03)”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/sci…/ar...6752739290238X

Angiotensin II receptor antagonist increase Renin and Aldosterone, whilst Nebivolol decreases.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/…/artic...3317111500618X

“Nebivolol is endowed with peripheral vasodilating properties mediated by the modulation of the endogenous production of nitric oxide. It does not significantly decrease airway conductance compared with atenolol and propranolol. Nebivolol does not compromise the left ventricular function, but it may increase stroke volume, and does not reduce heart inotropism during exertion”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/…/artic...43661898903875

“Nebivolol, through β3AR, is able to induce lipolysis and promote thermogenic and mitochondrial genes. The induction of lipolysis and the thermogenic program could explain the reduction of lipid droplets size”
http://journals.lww.com/…/Nebivolol_...ia__3_adrener…

“nebivolol does not alter exercise capacity significantly in healthy volunteers.”
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00051145
“Our findings in these short-term trials confirm previous reports regarding the neutral effects of nebivolol on lipid profile and carbohydrate metabolism.21,22 Recent data suggest that compared with metoprolol, nebivolol at a comparable dose improved oxidative stress and insulin sensitivity, decreased plasma soluble P-selectin, and increased adiponectin levels in hypertensive patients.”
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/…/j.1...009.0011…/full
“Free fatty acid, free glycerol, plasma catecholamines, beta-endorphines and atrial natriuretic peptide (ANP) increased before and after treatment during maximal and submaximal exercise but remained unaltered by nebivolol treatment”
“nebivolol did not negatively affect lipid and carbohydrate metabolism and substrate flow.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11607802

“Bisoprolol and nebivolol significantly increased concentration of testosterone (by 82 and 85%, respectively) and prolactin (by 77 and 83%, respectively), lowered levels of estradiol and follicle-stimulating hormone, improved vascular blood flow in penile arteries, and did not worsen sexual function.”
[Level of hormones of pituitary-gonadal axis, penile blood flow and sexual function in men with... - Abstract - Europe PMC

“Nebivolol Reverses Endothelial Dysfunction in Essential Hypertension”
Nebivolol Reverses Endothelial Dysfunction in Essential Hypertension | Circulation

“Effects of nebivolol on proliferation and apoptosis of human coronary artery smooth muscle and endothelial cells”
https://academic.oup.com/cardiovascr...…/2/430/400450

“Nebivolol: A Novel Beta-Blocker with Nitric Oxide-Induced Vasodilatation”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1993984/
“Results of the present study demonstrate an inhibitory effect of nebivolol on several components of the atherosclerotic plaque which contribute to its progression. As compared to the control mice, the nebivolol-treated animals showed, along with significantly lower plaque size, a decrease in necrotic core size, collagen content, macrophage and T cell density, and activity of matrix metalloproteinases. In contrast, the drug increased the content of smooth muscle cells in the fibrous cap of the plaque.”
http://jpp.krakow.pl/…/archi…/12_13/...8_article.html

“In hypertensive patients with LVH, nebiviolol, combined with thiazide diuretics, significantly decreased LVMI. Moreover, Nebivolol was able to modify LV geometry from concentric to eccentric. Such effects were significantly higher in patients treated with nebivolol 5 mg/daily than in patients treated with ramipril 2.5 mg/daily. The clinical implication of these results is that the\ treatment with nebivolol/thiazides in hypertensive patients reduces the cardiovascular risk associated with LVH”

“Both nebivolol and ramipril reduced left ventricular mass and left ventricular mass index, but the effect of nebivolol was significantly higher than ramipril. Nebivolol was also able to induce a statistically significant change in the left ventricular geometry evaluated by the relative wall thickness, a marker of cardiovascular risk. “

“Nebivolol reduces arterial stiffness and central blood pressure which have a
pathogenetic role in promoting left ventricular hypertrophy”
http://www.europeanreview.org/wp/wp-...loads/1269.pdf
“Available data suggest that nebivolol has a protective effect on left ventricular function. The drug appears to reduce preload and maintain or decrease afterload. Total peripheral vascular resistance did not increase in any study of nebivolol. Heart rate and left ventricular end-diastolic pressure are decreased, whereas stroke volume is increased and cardiac output is generally maintained, notably in patients with heart failure. Nebivolol reduced left ventricular mass in hypertensive patients with left ventricular hypertrophy.”
https://link.springer.com/…/10.2165/...199957040-0001[/CENTER][/CENTER]
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[rmtt]

aldactone is a pretty potent anti androgen. Just FYI. I wouldnt want to take it long term. It is used in combination with Estrogen in Transgender therapy.

Your right...it has been used in that type of therapy "off label" for years.

But in much larger doses (200mg+). They have even ran studies at 400mg.

In normal doses of 12.5mg to 25mg... it's labeled use is as a potassium sparing diuretic and there are a lot of men (typically with heart issues) that are on it.

Excess Gh levels have been shown to be linked with increased aldosterone levels....which can cause salt and fluid buildup......or bloat.
And aldactone is a medicine that acts as an antagonist for that process.

Now given all of that...the newest one (nebivolol) that everyone is talking about would seem to be the better choice.

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[okko]

If you get abdominal bloating I have been using GI comfort by Optimal Health. I used it for about 30 days and saw a drastic reduction in belly bloat and distention. I ran out and it returned. I ordered some more and again, in about 10 days abdominal bloat was significantly reduced. May want to gibe it a shot...I won't stop using it again.

Lotus340


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[bber99]

High HGH levels will increase sodium reabsorption by the intestines. Since potassium has the opposite effect of sodium increasing potassium will help decrease the excess water retention.

Sprinkle some "Nu-salt" or some other brands like that on your meals. Most of us dramatically overconsume sodium and underconsume potassium as well so the ratio is all fucked up. That's a big reason we get too much water retention.

 

[nothuman]

In fact....here is the original post from the guy in case someone is looking for it.



I am one of those individuals that will start retaining water on just 2ius per day. I came across this article in another group and decided to give it a try at 2.5mg twice per day. I am now up to 4 ius per day with no water retention. I just wanted to share this i case it may help someone else since I have learned so much from this board over the years.

Nebivolol – the ultimate antihypertensive drug that all users should consider
As we know, anabolic hormones alter the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system causing potential changes in salt balance, water retention, blood volume, then subsequently hypertension, LVH and kidney damage.
Coupled with changes in LDL and HDL ratio, not really a pleasant environment for your heart, arteries, circulation.

1. Standard beta blockers causes major alterations in insulin sensitivity and lipid mobilisation. Resulting in type 2 diabetes, and therefore fatloss becoming impossible

2. Angiotensin II receptor antagonist and ACE inhibitors lower plasma noradrenaline levels. Not exactly a good thing when you need this to increase for optimal CNS engagement (strength), fat loss, and energy.

I’ve looked in to all these other classes of drugs used to treat hypertension (except diuretics), and they all have side effects that are not exactly ideal. Generally, they don’t target the core issue, in relation to hormone use, this being alterations in the system I mentioned above. Instead they increase Renin and Aldosterone as a compensatory mechanism.

Here comes Nebivolol. A cardioselective beta 1 antagonist. It is also a beta 3 agonist. Amazing. It has profound nitric oxide properties as well. It doesn’t alter exercise tolerance, it actually aids in fat loss, it doesn’t alter plasma noradrenaline levels (it just blocks noradrenaline from acting on the beta 1 receptors in the heart and kidneys); Lowers renin and aldosterone; It reverses LVH; increases glucose and lipid metabolism; increases Testosterone by 80-90%; and many more… literally void of any side effects.
“In the nebivolol group, a significant decrease in blood pressures (P < 0.001) and heart rate (P < 0.01) was seen. Nebivolol therapy also suppressed plasma renin and aldosterone concentration (P < 0.02) but increased plasma atrial natriuretic peptide levels (P < 0.03)”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/sci…/ar...6752739290238X

Angiotensin II receptor antagonist increase Renin and Aldosterone, whilst Nebivolol decreases.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/…/artic...3317111500618X

“Nebivolol is endowed with peripheral vasodilating properties mediated by the modulation of the endogenous production of nitric oxide. It does not significantly decrease airway conductance compared with atenolol and propranolol. Nebivolol does not compromise the left ventricular function, but it may increase stroke volume, and does not reduce heart inotropism during exertion”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/…/artic...43661898903875

“Nebivolol, through β3AR, is able to induce lipolysis and promote thermogenic and mitochondrial genes. The induction of lipolysis and the thermogenic program could explain the reduction of lipid droplets size”
http://journals.lww.com/…/Nebivolol_...ia__3_adrener…

“nebivolol does not alter exercise capacity significantly in healthy volunteers.”
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00051145
“Our findings in these short-term trials confirm previous reports regarding the neutral effects of nebivolol on lipid profile and carbohydrate metabolism.21,22 Recent data suggest that compared with metoprolol, nebivolol at a comparable dose improved oxidative stress and insulin sensitivity, decreased plasma soluble P-selectin, and increased adiponectin levels in hypertensive patients.”
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/…/j.1...009.0011…/full
“Free fatty acid, free glycerol, plasma catecholamines, beta-endorphines and atrial natriuretic peptide (ANP) increased before and after treatment during maximal and submaximal exercise but remained unaltered by nebivolol treatment”
“nebivolol did not negatively affect lipid and carbohydrate metabolism and substrate flow.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11607802

“Bisoprolol and nebivolol significantly increased concentration of testosterone (by 82 and 85%, respectively) and prolactin (by 77 and 83%, respectively), lowered levels of estradiol and follicle-stimulating hormone, improved vascular blood flow in penile arteries, and did not worsen sexual function.”
[Level of hormones of pituitary-gonadal axis, penile blood flow and sexual function in men with... - Abstract - Europe PMC

“Nebivolol Reverses Endothelial Dysfunction in Essential Hypertension”
Nebivolol Reverses Endothelial Dysfunction in Essential Hypertension | Circulation

“Effects of nebivolol on proliferation and apoptosis of human coronary artery smooth muscle and endothelial cells”
https://academic.oup.com/cardiovascr...…/2/430/400450

“Nebivolol: A Novel Beta-Blocker with Nitric Oxide-Induced Vasodilatation”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1993984/
“Results of the present study demonstrate an inhibitory effect of nebivolol on several components of the atherosclerotic plaque which contribute to its progression. As compared to the control mice, the nebivolol-treated animals showed, along with significantly lower plaque size, a decrease in necrotic core size, collagen content, macrophage and T cell density, and activity of matrix metalloproteinases. In contrast, the drug increased the content of smooth muscle cells in the fibrous cap of the plaque.”
http://jpp.krakow.pl/…/archi…/12_13/...8_article.html

“In hypertensive patients with LVH, nebiviolol, combined with thiazide diuretics, significantly decreased LVMI. Moreover, Nebivolol was able to modify LV geometry from concentric to eccentric. Such effects were significantly higher in patients treated with nebivolol 5 mg/daily than in patients treated with ramipril 2.5 mg/daily. The clinical implication of these results is that the\ treatment with nebivolol/thiazides in hypertensive patients reduces the cardiovascular risk associated with LVH”

“Both nebivolol and ramipril reduced left ventricular mass and left ventricular mass index, but the effect of nebivolol was significantly higher than ramipril. Nebivolol was also able to induce a statistically significant change in the left ventricular geometry evaluated by the relative wall thickness, a marker of cardiovascular risk. “

“Nebivolol reduces arterial stiffness and central blood pressure which have a
pathogenetic role in promoting left ventricular hypertrophy”
http://www.europeanreview.org/wp/wp-...loads/1269.pdf
“Available data suggest that nebivolol has a protective effect on left ventricular function. The drug appears to reduce preload and maintain or decrease afterload. Total peripheral vascular resistance did not increase in any study of nebivolol. Heart rate and left ventricular end-diastolic pressure are decreased, whereas stroke volume is increased and cardiac output is generally maintained, notably in patients with heart failure. Nebivolol reduced left ventricular mass in hypertensive patients with left ventricular hypertrophy.”
https://link.springer.com/…/10.2165/...199957040-0001[/CENTER][/CENTER]
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Been on this at 5mg before bed for about 2 months now. Love it! Resting heart rate is down (even on low dose HGH, which usually bumps mine up) and there are literally no side effects. Hardly anymore water retention. The combo of 5mg Nebi and 40mg Telmisartan before bed is awesome.

 

[prodaf]

Thanks for infos

 

[UserNameGoesHere]

Been on this at 5mg before bed for about 2 months now. Love it! Resting heart rate is down (even on low dose HGH, which usually bumps mine up) and there are literally no side effects. Hardly anymore water retention. The combo of 5mg Nebi and 40mg Telmisartan before bed is awesome.

Did you need a script from your Dr? Nebi could also help with the water retention I get from hcg as well.

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[dale338]

K'm seriously considering dropping the last GH I've been using for the past 60 days. While I can see reduced fat and am increasing vascularity, the bloat is getting ridiculous. I'm going to shop for known GH, that causes less bloat. I looked pregnant today after lunch. Big old round gut, but at the same time, lean. It's strange. I look ripped, but I don't at the same time. I only use 2IU's a day.