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HGH followed by tons of sugar.

jozifp103

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I guess I'm looking to get some feedback or opinions on my HGH protocol as it pertains to sugar and carbohydrate intake. From my understanding, HGH use decreases your insulin sensitivity. For this reason it's best to keep simple sugars to a minimum around time of injection. But isn't HGH active for several hours? So why is it only 45mins-1hr that you have to wait? It's known that you peak around the 3hr mark. So assuming the HGH is active for well over 3 hours, your insulin sensitivity will be low for the entire duration of HGH's activity no? And most people split the dose, so that pretty much keeps your insulin sensitivity down all day I would imagine.....

Anyways....I've chosen to ignore this information because I like to take in a lot of simple sugars just before, during, and after my workout. Here's my protocol.

Current compounds:
-EP Test E 500mg/week
-EP Deca 250mg/week (joints)
-EP Cialis 10mg/day (pumps/vascularity/BP)
-EP aromasin 10mg/day
-EP T4 100mcg/day (prevent t4 depletion from HGH use)
I call this a cruise...some consider it a cycle. Do not recommend for beginners and/or anyone unwilling to stay on top of your health.


-430am wake up
-500am pin 2.5iu Eurotropin HGH
-515am eat 1 banana and 1 Belvita breakfast bar (25g sugar)(50g net carbs)
-545am begin workout sip 16oz Monster energy drink (56g sugar)
-615am finish energy drink, switch to shake, continue workout. Shake contains (50g protein blend. Whey, Cassein, Milk, eggwhite)(60g dextrose OR 60g maltodextrin)
-Shake is finished by the time I leave the gym.

TOTALS:

-Using dextrose

141g sugar
166g net carbs

-Using maltodextrin
81g sugar
166g net carbs


I've been following this routine consistently for about 2 months now. I really enjoy the pumps and fullness I get from the high carb/sugar intake. I figure timing them around my workout would rationalize it a bit as I would be using up a lot of them.

But would you consider this overkill? I've remained at 11-12%bf during the entire 2 months.

Should I be concerned with combo of high sugars, hgh, and the possibility of developing diabetes like everyone says?

What do y'all think??
 
I guess I'm looking to get some feedback or opinions on my HGH protocol as it pertains to sugar and carbohydrate intake. From my understanding, HGH use decreases your insulin sensitivity. For this reason it's best to keep simple sugars to a minimum around time of injection. But isn't HGH active for several hours? So why is it only 45mins-1hr that you have to wait? It's known that you peak around the 3hr mark. So assuming the HGH is active for well over 3 hours, your insulin sensitivity will be low for the entire duration of HGH's activity no? And most people split the dose, so that pretty much keeps your insulin sensitivity down all day I would imagine.....

Anyways....I've chosen to ignore this information because I like to take in a lot of simple sugars just before, during, and after my workout. Here's my protocol.

Current compounds:
-EP Test E 500mg/week
-EP Deca 250mg/week (joints)
-EP Cialis 10mg/day (pumps/vascularity/BP)
-EP aromasin 10mg/day
-EP T4 100mcg/day (prevent t4 depletion from HGH use)
I call this a cruise...some consider it a cycle. Do not recommend for beginners and/or anyone unwilling to stay on top of your health.


-430am wake up
-500am pin 2.5iu Eurotropin HGH
-515am eat 1 banana and 1 Belvita breakfast bar (25g sugar)(50g net carbs)
-545am begin workout sip 16oz Monster energy drink (56g sugar)
-615am finish energy drink, switch to shake, continue workout. Shake contains (50g protein blend. Whey, Cassein, Milk, eggwhite)(60g dextrose OR 60g maltodextrin)
-Shake is finished by the time I leave the gym.

TOTALS:

-Using dextrose

141g sugar
166g net carbs

-Using maltodextrin
81g sugar
166g net carbs


I've been following this routine consistently for about 2 months now. I really enjoy the pumps and fullness I get from the high carb/sugar intake. I figure timing them around my workout would rationalize it a bit as I would be using up a lot of them.

But would you consider this overkill? I've remained at 11-12%bf during the entire 2 months.

Should I be concerned with combo of high sugars, hgh, and the possibility of developing diabetes like everyone says?

What do y'all think??


Yep, and you are taking ridiculous amount of sugar in. You better do blood work and also learn what metformin is.
 
I agree. No need for all that sugar slamming around workout time!

Do you have a pic? If you are pretty big and sub %10 BF i will say keep doing what youre doing.
 
Works for me. Last few yrs I take in 180 carbs pre and intra w 5-10 iu's gh.
Mixed in with around 190 gms protein.
Then a meal an hour later.
Sub 10% yr round.
 
I'm good with just slamming my poptart before hitting the gym lol.. Gives me a great pump. But yeah I've been wondering about carbs around hgh injections as well. I usually wait the hour after injecting before eating just to be safe but it gets frustrating sometimes.
 
Works for me. Last few yrs I take in 180 carbs pre and intra w 5-10 iu's gh.
Mixed in with around 190 gms protein.
Then a meal an hour later.
Sub 10% yr round.


You also live on Gear year round as well.
 
You also live on Gear year round as well.

Loads of guys do and they look nothing like Concreter. Although he could definitely eat healthier but it works for him :D

To the OP I misread your post and first thought you were having a shake with every hgh inject so was going to write that is really bad. But if it's just around your workout it's not too bad and can be very effective. Although I would recommend adding in a little insulin (about 5IU). A perfect combo would be hgh (2.5IU), slin (5IU) and synthetine (2-3ml).

I would also look at trying other carb sources instead of dextrose and monster energy drinks. You could still use all but perhaps experiment and see how you find other sources. I would recommend honey and coconut sugar.

You could even do your own pre workout drink. Then during training use aminos (EAA's with at least 5g leucine) and carbs (hbcd's, honey, coconut sugar, dextrose etc) and drink that throughout training. Some of the things you are currently taking in whilst training could be too heavy on your stomach. Although if it's working for you then carry on.

Definitely look into adding metformin into your daily regime too. 500mg am/pm.
 
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Dude buy a Blood Glucose test at any drug store. Takes 2 seconds to get a reading. HGH increases blood sugar the amount of suger you adding on top of it is a matter of time you getting diabetes. Up to you if you want to be doing insulin the rest of your life. Many guys do it all the time that run high amounts of hgh. Not for me though.
 
You also live on Gear year round as well.

Currently, 250 test, 150 deca and 150 primo..
3 mnth blast of 1500 test 600 deca.
2 mnths 1000 test 400 tren
The other 6 mnth I run 500 test and 800 primo.
hgh 5-10 iu, currently on peps.

Just enough!!!
 
This gets it Done!
1st A.M. coffee, 80mg aspirin, l-carnitine and 25 proviron. May add 100 t-4.
Then 5-10 iu gh before shower.
Pre- 30 bcaa plus w- instanatized, 60 gms honey, 30 gms dextrose. Mhp nitro,
and curcumin, May add ephedrine.
Intra 1, scoop Gaspari Size-on, 30gms maltodextrin and 75 whey iso.
intra 2nd, 1 scoop Mhp dk matter, 30 waxy maize or cyclic dextrin and 75 whey iso..

Just add-in your favorite Orals....
 
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Back in the day guys used to pound simple sugars around there training mostly postWO...thinking has changed throughout the years...depending on your metabolism, size, and training volume that 180 ish G's of sugars might be a little overkill, idk certainly on an everyday basis it would be for many guys, but if you are going to over eat on carbs around the training window would at least be your best bet....I used to have a hard time justifying paying top dollar for a carb....typically using dextrose or malto too, until I noticed how much better my stomach felt using some of these more advanced carbs like HCBD's. If you aren't having to cover your slin (which isn't the way to do it anyways) with a certain amount of carbs, I don't think most guys would ever have a need for more than around 100-120 G's or so even on the toughest leg day to replinish glycogen and recover well, start adding insulin, IGF to the mix that changes though.
 
Ok....I got a glucose meter and tried it out. This first test was just to figure out how to use it but I'll post the results anyway....

4:50 am - pinned 5iu Eurotropin into bicep (it's usually 2iu but missed my afternoon injection yesterday)
5:15 am - Ate 1 banana and 1 belvita breakfast bar (roughly 25g sugar 50g net carbs)
5:45 am - enter gym....sip on energy drink (56g sugar)
6:30 am - finish energy drink, sip on protein/maltodextrin shake, continue to workout. (50g protein, 60g net carbs. No simple sugars)

So for simplicity's sake we'll say I took in 81g sugar and 166 net carbs within 2 hours after injecting 5iu HGH.

7:30 am - blood glucose test

Result - 114
Range (70-245)

Will do more, better timed tests to get some real answers :)
 
Ok a month later I finally got around to doing a before/after glucose test....

I chose to do both tests fasted to remove all variables to see if HGH really does increase blood sugar.

Protocol:

10am - woke up (fasted 12 hours) and pinned 5iu Eurotropin HGH. (Pinned the whole 5iu at once instead of splitting because if there was an effect on blood sugar, I wanted to get strong results.)
10:30 am - first glucose test
10:30 am-12:57 pm - continue to fast
12:57 pm - second glucose test (2.5 hours after GH administration)

Results below:

10:30 am
htb58h.jpg



12:57 pm
fe4dj7.jpg


So here's my take based on what I've read/learned....

After 12 hours of fasting my blood sugar should have leveled off to it's constant fasting level. From my understanding your blood sugar will only drop so low in the absence of food and has a base level that is maintained by glucose production in the liver. So based on this, my blood glucose was at it's lowest, most constant level. It would not have dropped nor risen in the next few hours in the absence of food. Therefore any increase or decrease in blood glucose during this time would have to be caused by the HGH (theoretically).

So, because my BG only dropped slightly within the 2.5 hours of GH administration....my guess is that the increase in BG (insulin resistance) from HGH is a constant effect of HGH and not correlated to the timing of the shots. So BG will always be slightly elevated during HGH use, not just around the time of administration. Another reason I believe this is because a reading of >100 after 12 hours of fasting seems a bit high leading me to believe there is some insulin resistance occurring.
 
Ok a month later I finally got around to doing a before/after glucose test....



I chose to do both tests fasted to remove all variables to see if HGH really does increase blood sugar.



Protocol:



10am - woke up (fasted 12 hours) and pinned 5iu Eurotropin HGH. (Pinned the whole 5iu at once instead of splitting because if there was an effect on blood sugar, I wanted to get strong results.)

10:30 am - first glucose test

10:30 am-12:57 pm - continue to fast

12:57 pm - second glucose test (2.5 hours after GH administration)



Results below:



10:30 am

htb58h.jpg






12:57 pm

fe4dj7.jpg




So here's my take based on what I've read/learned....



After 12 hours of fasting my blood sugar should have leveled off to it's constant fasting level. From my understanding your blood sugar will only drop so low in the absence of food and has a base level that is maintained by glucose production in the liver. So based on this, my blood glucose was at it's lowest, most constant level. It would not have dropped nor risen in the next few hours in the absence of food. Therefore any increase or decrease in blood glucose during this time would have to be caused by the HGH (theoretically).



So, because my BG only dropped slightly within the 2.5 hours of GH administration....my guess is that the increase in BG (insulin resistance) from HGH is a constant effect of HGH and not correlated to the timing of the shots. So BG will always be slightly elevated during HGH use, not just around the time of administration. Another reason I believe this is because a reading of >100 after 12 hours of fasting seems a bit high leading me to believe there is some insulin resistance occurring.



I would say u need to get on some type of gda. 99 is starting to get up there. Berberine , apple cider vinegar, maybe met. Am fasted cardio helps to.


110% or expect to regret it!
 
I guess I'm looking to get some feedback or opinions on my HGH protocol as it pertains to sugar and carbohydrate intake. From my understanding, HGH use decreases your insulin sensitivity. For this reason it's best to keep simple sugars to a minimum around time of injection. But isn't HGH active for several hours? So why is it only 45mins-1hr that you have to wait? It's known that you peak around the 3hr mark. So assuming the HGH is active for well over 3 hours, your insulin sensitivity will be low for the entire duration of HGH's activity no? And most people split the dose, so that pretty much keeps your insulin sensitivity down all day I would imagine.....

Anyways....I've chosen to ignore this information because I like to take in a lot of simple sugars just before, during, and after my workout. Here's my protocol.

Current compounds:
-EP Test E 500mg/week
-EP Deca 250mg/week (joints)
-EP Cialis 10mg/day (pumps/vascularity/BP)
-EP aromasin 10mg/day
-EP T4 100mcg/day (prevent t4 depletion from HGH use)
I call this a cruise...some consider it a cycle. Do not recommend for beginners and/or anyone unwilling to stay on top of your health.


-430am wake up
-500am pin 2.5iu Eurotropin HGH
-515am eat 1 banana and 1 Belvita breakfast bar (25g sugar)(50g net carbs)
-545am begin workout sip 16oz Monster energy drink (56g sugar)
-615am finish energy drink, switch to shake, continue workout. Shake contains (50g protein blend. Whey, Cassein, Milk, eggwhite)(60g dextrose OR 60g maltodextrin)
-Shake is finished by the time I leave the gym.

TOTALS:

-Using dextrose

141g sugar
166g net carbs

-Using maltodextrin
81g sugar
166g net carbs


I've been following this routine consistently for about 2 months now. I really enjoy the pumps and fullness I get from the high carb/sugar intake. I figure timing them around my workout would rationalize it a bit as I would be using up a lot of them.

But would you consider this overkill? I've remained at 11-12%bf during the entire 2 months.

Should I be concerned with combo of high sugars, hgh, and the possibility of developing diabetes like everyone says?

What do y'all think??

Holy inflammation from all that sugar :eek:
 
I would say u need to get on some type of gda. 99 is starting to get up there. Berberine , apple cider vinegar, maybe met. Am fasted cardio helps to.


110% or expect to regret it!

This. The apple cider vingar got my blood sugar down just taking 2 tea spoons a day
 
12hrs fasted is a bit long. Your liver will secrete glucose to keep blood glucose elevated. Also, your hydration level will be a factor as well. I notice if my blood glucose during the day is a high, i'll slam 1L of water and it drops 10-15 in 1 hour. If i keep hydrating during the day, which i'm not good at, it'll stay in normal, 70-99, levels.

103 is pre-diabetic. You can bring it down with supps and some cardio. Add into your daily supp intake: Cinnamon (2g post meal, every meal), Metformin, ALA, B3 (or a B-vit complex),zinc, and Chromium. B3 & Chromium increase receptor site sensitivity to insulin, and zinc helps with beta-cell fatigue.

There is no need for excess carbs with GH. No clue where people got that idea.
 

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