HGH timing during bulking

[shaker89]

hey brothers, i know it's been asked before over and over again and i apologize for that but i would like to get a more specific answer.

during gaining phase or bulking i eat every 3 hours and i found out that my blood glucose is highly sensitive to HGH even to as little as 2 IUs, it reaches higher 90s to 100 fasted when in normal without HGH it's in the low 80s.
even with berberine, clean diet and cardio.

i would like to know is there a better timing for HGH during bulking where i eat every 3 hours and diet is high carb ?
i eat breakfast half an hour after waking up, so i can't do fasted injection early in the morning as i used to do it during cutting.
i know it doesn't matter results wise when to take it regarding igf conversion but i'm more concerned about timing regarding minimizing insulin resistance while calories and carbs are high most of the day ?

thanks in advance

 

[traininsane11]

hey brothers, i know it's been asked before over and over again and i apologize for that but i would like to get a more specific answer.

during gaining phase or bulking i eat every 3 hours and i found out that my blood glucose is highly sensitive to HGH even to as little as 2 IUs, it reaches higher 90s to 100 fasted when in normal without HGH it's in the low 80s.
even with berberine, clean diet and cardio.

i would like to know is there a better timing for HGH during bulking where i eat every 3 hours and diet is high carb ?
i eat breakfast half an hour after waking up, so i can't do fasted injection early in the morning as i used to do it during cutting.
i know it doesn't matter results wise when to take it regarding igf conversion but i'm more concerned about timing regarding minimizing insulin resistance while calories and carbs are high most of the day ?

thanks in advance

 

[luki7788]

If you want to minimize the negative impact on blood glucose levels, the best time to administer it is with a pre-workout bolus - no matter what anyone says I will stand by this position steadfastly because it has worked for me and literally hundreds of my clients for many years.

 

[tommyguns2]

If you want to minimize the negative impact on blood glucose levels, the best time to administer it is with a pre-workout bolus - no matter what anyone says I will stand by this position steadfastly because it has worked for me and literally hundreds of my clients for many years.

You typically train while not in a fasted state, so I'm assuming that your pre-workout bolus of GH is in the presence of a significant amount of glucose from carbs from a pre-workout meal. Doesn't that put the GH and insulin in a "tug-of-war" so to speak?

 

[luki7788]

You typically train while not in a fasted state, so I'm assuming that your pre-workout bolus of GH is in the presence of a significant amount of glucose from carbs from a pre-workout meal. Doesn't that put the GH and insulin in a "tug-of-war" so to speak?

I’m honestly shocked you still ask questions like this. These are hormones administrate from outside the body. This is not natural production.

When will people finally understand the difference between the two...

 

[MajinBoo]

I’m honestly shocked you still ask questions like this. These are hormones administrate from outside the body. This is not natural production.

When will people finally understand the difference between the two...

When you say hormones are you considering exogenous insulin as well? Because for those not using exogenous insulin, in theory, the pre-workout bolus will decrease glucose uptake in the muscle.

 

[BALDNAZI]

Take your GH right before you go to sleep. Been doing it this way for ages on a bulk. Just started my GH run on my current clean bulk 2 weeks ago and I’m up 10lbs.

Now, when talking about insulin resistance. Splitting the GH every other night instead of every night will help. MOTS-C first thing in the morning is another tool.
Small dose of Reta as well can do the same. Many ways to get this done.

Or just listen to Luki. You’re welcome.

 

[luki7788]

When you say hormones are you considering exogenous insulin as well? Because for those not using exogenous insulin, in theory, the pre-workout bolus will decrease glucose uptake in the muscle.

During training, GLUT4 is activated. So you have an active GLUT4 pathway, and it does not work in a negative way.

 

[FrenchBench22]

You typically train while not in a fasted state, so I'm assuming that your pre-workout bolus of GH is in the presence of a significant amount of glucose from carbs from a pre-workout meal. Doesn't that put the GH and insulin in a "tug-of-war" so to speak?

If your insulin sensitivity is good, your blood glucose should be back down to at least 100-140mg/dl 1-2 hours after a meal (or lower), regardless of exogenous insulin use. So you're still starting training in a nearly "fasted" state where it is ready to uptake nutrition. The caveat is if your stomach digestion can't keep up despite blood glucose being back down.

When you say hormones are you considering exogenous insulin as well? Because for those not using exogenous insulin, in theory, the pre-workout bolus will decrease glucose uptake in the muscle.

Independent of exogenous insulin or gh use, training stimulus is the most effective way to activate Glut4 in muscle, which increases insulin sensitivity in the muscle and glucose uptake/glycogen storage.

If you want to minimize the negative impact on blood glucose levels, the best time to administer it is with a pre-workout bolus - no matter what anyone says I will stand by this position steadfastly because it has worked for me and literally hundreds of my clients for many years.

I can't remember what thread it was in, but I have written here before that my blood glucose levels by the end of a training session is always "low," regardless if I'm in off-season or contest prep, pre-workout insulin or not, leg day or arms day, etc. If your insulin sensitivity is good and you train with intensity, I think Luki's method won't cause any of these theorized issues people have with gh around workout.

Attached are some photos of my post-workout blood glucose, in off-season and contest prep.
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[360]

I was under the impression that high levels of endogenous insulin will inhibit growth hormone’s metabolic actions, effectively neutralizing its effectiveness. This is true for both endogenous and exogenous growth hormone.

Insulin will inhibit exogenous growth hormone’s function.

This is why I eat my last meal of the day at 7:00PM and inject my GH right before bed at 10:00PM.

 

[bigzzz]

Trainings days: GH bolus Pre workout
Rest days: GH bolus Pre bed

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I was under the impression that high levels of endogenous insulin will inhibit growth hormone’s metabolic actions, effectively neutralizing its effectiveness. This is true for both endogenous and exogenous growth hormone.

Insulin will inhibit exogenous growth hormone’s function.

This is why I eat my last meal of the day at 7:00PM and inject my GH right before bed at 10:00PM.

Insulin doesn't just "turn off" exogenous GH like flipping a switch. It blunts some of GH's fat-burning effects and can interfere with some of the other pathways. But GH still has plenty of effects that continue working even with insulin. Not sure where you got that info or who told you that.

 

[shaker89]

If you want to minimize the negative impact on blood glucose levels, the best time to administer it is with a pre-workout bolus - no matter what anyone says I will stand by this position steadfastly because it has worked for me and literally hundreds of my clients for many years.

won't that cause hyperglycemia when i ingest the post workout meal which is high in carbs, knowing that HGH peaks a couple hours after SC injection and the workout won't last more than 90 minutes ?

 

[shaker89]

Take your GH right before you go to sleep. Been doing it this way for ages on a bulk. Just started my GH run on my current clean bulk 2 weeks ago and I’m up 10lbs.

Now, when talking about insulin resistance. Splitting the GH every other night instead of every night will help. MOTS-C first thing in the morning is another tool.
Small dose of Reta as well can do the same. Many ways to get this done.

Or just listen to Luki. You’re welcome.

do you take a bolus dose with no dividing ? do you consume carbs at the last meal before the HGH ?

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Reading these questions , I’m extremely disappointed

 

[Klax]

I've been doing pre-bed bolus every night. I'm going to try pre-workout bolus per Luki and see how it goes.

 

[shaker89]

If your insulin sensitivity is good, your blood glucose should be back down to at least 100-140mg/dl 1-2 hours after a meal (or lower), regardless of exogenous insulin use. So you're still starting training in a nearly "fasted" state where it is ready to uptake nutrition. The caveat is if your stomach digestion can't keep up despite blood glucose being back down.


Independent of exogenous insulin or gh use, training stimulus is the most effective way to activate Glut4 in muscle, which increases insulin sensitivity in the muscle and glucose uptake/glycogen storage.


I can't remember what thread it was in, but I have written here before that my blood glucose levels by the end of a training session is always "low," regardless if I'm in off-season or contest prep, pre-workout insulin or not, leg day or arms day, etc. If your insulin sensitivity is good and you train with intensity, I think Luki's method won't cause any of these theorized issues people have with gh around workout.

Attached are some photos of my post-workout blood glucose, in off-season and contest prep.
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that's impressive blood glucose readings.
let me get that straight, those readings are post workout when you have already injected HGH before working out and had a meal a couple hours before that, is that right ? how long does it take you to finish your workout ? and do you believe pre workout is superior to pre bed regarding insulin sensitivity ?

 

[shaker89]

Trainings days: GH bolus Pre workout
Rest days: GH bolus Pre bed

any reasoning for why not all days pre bed ?
still feeling the pre workout bolus dose would peak while i'm consuming the post workout meal and lower the glucose and nutrients shuttling to muscle cells.

 

[shaker89]

I've been doing pre-bed bolus every night. I'm going to try pre-workout bolus per Luki and see how it goes.

for how long and what was your experience regarding next day morning blood glucose level ?

 

[Zamun]

For those taking the bolus preworkout. How long before the gym are you taking it?


There’s a post on Meso Type-IIx stating that it doesn’t even peak for 2.5-3 hours after injecting. So unless you have a long ass workout it’s essentially hitting you post workout.