HGH Useless Fat burner according to Taeian?

[Pheedno]

I'll fall in line with TOO55 and 165. I was nationally qualified for 3 years in a row back in my day(never thought that phrase would be useful), but would be absolutely stomped into the ground at a junior show. It makes sense to throw your trunks in the ring on a local, state, or even regional show if you're consistently placing top 2-3. I don't see any logic or point to spend the money, time, and travel to head to a national show that you know you're not ready for. Unless it's just the point of telling people you're "headed to nationals" for a few months. If so, fair enough. Have at it.

 

[Muay Thai]

I have got down to probbably 10% bodyfat, when I had covid i was leaner. with ZERO Cardio on growth the last 3 months from 14% and very very minimal AAS, but like @slesh said, the results on 10iu and above dwarf lower doses. and I am using jintropins, I know they work because my 63 year old mom has had unreal results at only 2iu perd ay

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

So why not compete locally where your friends and family can easily see you, show off your improvements there and then go on a vacation where you don’t spend 2 days of it getting tanned, carbing up and sitting around backstage at a bodybuilding show?

My family is very religious my dad's a pastor and he disapproves of it when I first started I had a finally speak up he thought it would hurt his business that I was seeing posing trunks or with my body. He was raised very religious and seated in his beliefs.


As far as traveling , this is my vacation, this year. Until I'm better at real estate then my money has to go in saving it for investing in real estate. Most of the year I'm working making money to have a better life. So it's two and one for me, bodybuilding and vacation.

 

[Muay Thai]

with insulin 3x per week I will add 10iu pre workout and low carbs throughout day the only carbs i have intra or intra supplement is a big gatorade with 44g something carbs. my appetite is up lately, though just beat covid. started cialis I feel like a king lol , fucking labetalol KILLS my vascularity

 

[Othello]

My family is very religious my dad's a pastor and he disapproves of it when I first started

my parents made me run it by my priest when i first started lol

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

my parents made me run it by my priest when i first started lol

I'd imagine it could go two very different ways , depending on the priests beliefs.

What'd the priest say?

 

[Othello]

I'd imagine it could go two very different ways , depending on the priests beliefs.

What'd the priest say?

sent you pm

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

with insulin 3x per week I will add 10iu pre workout and low carbs throughout day the only carbs i have intra or intra supplement is a big gatorade with 44g something carbs. my appetite is up lately, though just beat covid. started cialis I feel like a king lol , fucking labetalol KILLS my vascularity

I heard something on think big bodybuilding I think it's called Dave Grossland ,I think his name is, was on there or maybe it's not think big that's Dusty Hanshaw but Dave Grossland is on there and he was talking about insulin and how going over a certain amount actually wears , from what I understand, beta cells. I have no idea if this is true. Just something I've heard that I've looked for evidence on it and haven't found it.

Probably a good idea to not go over 10 Ius most days. Unless there is some information that I haven't seen. Ok for short term load , like carb loading before a competition

 

[pickapeck]

Thats not what his thought recommends at all.

Personally, and i DONT have a national level physique, i would never step on stage unless I FOR SURE knew i wasnt going to get laughed at.
I understand people can look their best look and show improvements, but that's not what the national level is for.
You want to show how good you look, do your local show and get better every year. Maybe you'll win...

I dont understand how someone would CHOOSE to be last. That is a choice to showcase just how non-national level u look.

I did not compete at bodybuilding. I competed in judo. In that sport fighting up in skill and weight helps to improve. That is not to say a yellow belt with a year experince could, would or should fight at nationals. But fighting up within limits is a good part of a stratagy to improve. And.. sometimes losing exposes weaknesses unrealized opening avenues to improve even more. Eventually I was fighting at nationals. I never won nationals but I placed in top three. Losing to world champions and Olympians was not completely a defeat to me. It was a challenge and I would do it again given more youth.

 

[pickapeck]

I heard something on think big bodybuilding I think it's called Dave Grossland ,I think his name is, was on there or maybe it's not think big that's Dusty Hanshaw but Dave Grossland is on there and he was talking about insulin and how going over a certain amount actually wears , from what I understand, beta cells. I have no idea if this is true. Just something I've heard that I've looked for evidence on it and haven't found it.

Probably a good idea to not go over 10 Ius most days. Unless there is some information that I haven't seen. Ok for short term load , like carb loading before a competition

My guess would be no it doesn't but maybe under extreme circumstances possible. The notion to use insulin when also using 6 iu and higher GH is to save the beta cells having to crank out massive amounts of insulin to override the high IGF-1 levels that interfere with the insulin receptor thus preventing import of glucose and driving up serum glucose levels. It may be that the environment caused by this cenario is somehow toxic but I don't know of a mechanism that would negatively impact beta cells other than the notion that the GH is so high and IGF-1 so high that regardless of exogenous insulin the beta cells are still signaled to high output. Given the massive amounts of carbohydrates and over all food consumed with this forced feeding done by BBers along with high AAS+massive GH+ some exo-insulin I guess it is posible that the beta cells remain under high stress even in the presence of exo-insulin.

 

[pickapeck]

@Love_to_Bodybuild I’ve always wondered this but don’t really talk to anyone who does this so haven’t had a chance to ask - why do Junior Nationals or any other national show if you can’t win your class locally?

How would this even be possible. You have to qualify for national level shows.

 

[b-boy]

@Love_to_Bodybuild I’ve always wondered this but don’t really talk to anyone who does this so haven’t had a chance to ask - why do Junior Nationals or any other national show if you can’t win your class locally?

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I did not compete at bodybuilding. I competed in judo. In that sport fighting up in skill and weight helps to improve. That is not to say a yellow belt with a year experince could, would or should fight at nationals. But fighting up within limits is a good part of a stratagy to improve. And.. sometimes losing exposes weaknesses unrealized opening avenues to improve even more. Eventually I was fighting at nationals. I never won nationals but I placed in top three. Losing to world champions and Olympians was not completely a defeat to me. It was a challenge and I would do it again given more youth.

The difference is that when you competed at worlds, you worked your way up there. Over years and matches and you built experience. You were not a fish out of water walking into something outmatched. You were self-aware of the improvements you needed to make and wanted a challenge.

ALSO, judo is a performance sport. You dont reallly know where you stand until you are in the heat of the match.
That is nothing like BBing. You can look in the mirror and have soooome sort of gauge of where you stand.
I understand your thinking, but its an apples to oranges comparison that doesnt work here.

 

[pickapeck]

The difference is that when you competed at worlds, you worked your way up there. Over years and matches and you built experience. You were not a fish out of water walking into something outmatched. You were self-aware of the improvements you needed to make and wanted a challenge.

ALSO, judo is a performance sport. You dont reallly know where you stand until you are in the heat of the match.
That is nothing like BBing. You can look in the mirror and have soooome sort of gauge of where you stand.
I understand your thinking, but its an apples to oranges comparison that doesnt work here.

You're somehow assuming that I am professing that the equivalent of a yellow belt walk into the nationals and fight. You know Ronnie, after turning pro, placed as an also ran for some years before he became Ronnie. According to your logic he was wasting his time and learned nothing during that period.

 

[165StateChamp]

You're somehow assuming that I am professing that the equivalent of a yellow belt walk into the nationals and fight. You know Ronnie, after turning pro, placed as an also ran for some years before he became Ronnie. According to your logic he was wasting his time and learned nothing during that period.

This guy is the equivalent of a yellow belt based on his physique and competition history.

You don’t really seem to understand how bodybuilding competition works and that’s ok. I wouldn’t argue something I have no knowledge of though. But the internet is the internet, have at it.

 

[pickapeck]

This guy is the equivalent of a yellow belt based on his physique and competition history.

You don’t really seem to understand how bodybuilding competition works and that’s ok. I wouldn’t argue something I have no knowledge of though. But the internet is the internet, have at it.

If I recall, he is, or was until recently, natural and did fairly well in natural ranks. Thanks for assuming I know nothing about bodybuilding. Sure you should chose a reasonable step up in competition and like I said in an earlier post, I don't see how anyone can compete in a national competition without qualification. So if he is qualified then he is qualified. If not then this whole argument is mute. Good luck in your next competition Champ. Don't aim to high or you might not win.

 

[Elvia1023]

If I recall, he is, or was until recently, natural and did fairly well in natural ranks. Thanks for assuming I know nothing about bodybuilding. Sure you should chose a reasonable step up in competition and like I said in an earlier post, I don't see how anyone can compete in a national competition without qualification. So if he is qualified then he is qualified. If not then this whole argument is mute. Good luck in your next competition Champ. Don't aim to high or you might not win.

I don't understand how you don't get it. Compete or not it doesn't matter to me it's common sense. Yes in other situations you want to compete against people who are much more skilled than you so you can improve but this is very different. It's nothing like martial arts or boxing etc. Even in those sports they are not (well they shouldn't but it does happen occasionally) going to put 2 people who are worlds apart in regards to skill level in a competitive fight. Sparring when training is a very different thing.

The difference in development between him and the others at the nationals is massive and he doesn't need to stand next to them on stage in his trunks to see that. Some people may be totally unaware of how they truly look but it should be obvious if you are anywhere near a certain level in bodybuilding. X-Factor auditions where the person can's sing good come to mind. What's the point in getting on a bodybuilding stage at over 10% body fat. I am all for going for it and doing what you want but you also need to be realistic and not waste your time and money.

Each to their own though and what Love_to_bodybuild wrote is nice and well he loves to bodybuild so he should continue doing what makes him happy. I do agree though he could compete at various local/regional shows if he wants to compete. If he likes to travel go and see nice places and maybe even go to a bodybuilding show/expo whilst there. Now if he wants to get on stage and look out of place and come last that is up to him but I wouldn't waste the money and if bodybuilding is that important I would use the money to get better at bodybuilding (food, aas, hgh, gym, massage etc) so he can compete against those guys in the future.

 

[pickapeck]

I don't understand how you don't get it. Compete or not it doesn't matter to me it's common sense. Yes in other situations you want to compete against people who are much more skilled than you so you can improve but this is very different. It's nothing like martial arts or boxing etc. Even in those sports they are not (well they shouldn't but it does happen occasionally) going to put 2 people who are worlds apart in regards to skill level in a competitive fight. Sparring when training is a very different thing.

The difference in development between him and the others at the nationals is massive and he doesn't need to stand next to them on stage in his trunks to see that. Some people may be totally unaware of how they truly look but it should be obvious if you are anywhere near a certain level in bodybuilding. X-Factor auditions where the person can's sing good come to mind. What's the point in getting on a bodybuilding stage at over 10% body fat. I am all for going for it and doing what you want but you also need to be realistic and not waste your time and money.

Each to their own though and what Love_to_bodybuild wrote is nice and well he loves to bodybuild so he should continue doing what makes him happy. I do agree though he could compete at various local/regional shows if he wants to compete. If he likes to travel go and see nice places and maybe even go to a bodybuilding show/expo whilst there. Now if he wants to get on stage and look out of place and come last that is up to him but I wouldn't waste the money and if bodybuilding is that important I would use the money to get better at bodybuilding (food, aas, hgh, gym, massage etc) so he can compete against those guys in the future.

I'm sure now that the gang has completely deconstructed Love_to_bodybuild, who was brave enough to post his natty pictures, you are all very proud of yourselves and certainly never ever should any of you aim high because bodybuilding is a different kind of sport. Maybe I missed it but no one answered me. How can he go to nationals if not qualified? or is he? If he is then maybe you are making assumptions based on natty pictures. Anyways we all certainly have opinions. Yours have been long winded for 10 years. I remember you from peak muscle. Maybe this thead served a purpose. A strong man would make sure to figure out how to win using your discouragement as fire. I hope that Love_to_bodybuild is a strong man.

 

[Elvia1023]

I'm sure now that the gang has completely deconstructed Love_to_bodybuild, who was brave enough to post his natty pictures, you are all very proud of yourselves and certainly never ever should any of you aim high because bodybuilding is a different kind of sport. Maybe I missed it but no one answered me. How can he go to nationals if not qualified? or is he? If he is then maybe you are making assumptions based on natty pictures. Anyways we all certainly have opinions. Yours have been long winded for 10 years. I remember you from peak muscle. Maybe this thead served a purpose. A strong man would make sure to figure out how to win using your discouragement as fire. I hope that Love_to_bodybuild is a strong man.

It's not about putting him down. He has actually been very rude to me in the past but I like him. I admire what he has posted in this thread as well but you also have to call it how it is. I don't want him to take my post the wrong way. I haven't a bad word to say about Love_to_bodybuild but if he posts pics on a bodybuilding stage and looks out of place I will be completely honest with him. Just like if my mate went on X-factor and couldn't sing very good I would be honest with him. It's not like he has 1 weak body part or one thing is off and he can easily fix it he is years of development behind those competitors. I want him to do well so hopefully our posts do motivate him to improve. I remember a certain poster saying I had chicken legs and I used that as motivation every leg day for about a year afterwards

I admire the fact he stood on stage but I don't know if he see's something that isn't there or he just likes getting on stage and isn't bothered he is nowhere near the level required. Trust me I love it when people follow their dreams and go for it. If they fail then great get up and keep trying. However you also have to be realistic. I wouldn't step on a national stage either because there would be no point. No one is putting a ceiling limit on him either because I would love him to put everything he has into his passion and get bigger and shredded and go back on that stage and win.

 

[165StateChamp]

If I recall, he is, or was until recently, natural and did fairly well in natural ranks. Thanks for assuming I know nothing about bodybuilding. Sure you should chose a reasonable step up in competition and like I said in an earlier post, I don't see how anyone can compete in a national competition without qualification. So if he is qualified then he is qualified. If not then this whole argument is mute. Good luck in your next competition Champ. Don't aim to high or you might not win.

Lmao bro, I’m not assuming anything. You analogizing between Ronnie Coleman competing as a pro and this guy makes it clear enough you’re clueless. And that’s fine - I wouldn’t expect you to be knowledgeable of competing in bodybuilding if you’ve never done it. But it behooves you to just keep your mouth shut on topics you know nothing about instead of talking in circles and making it clear you know nothing.

Anyway, this dude has repeatedly placed last or second to last at Jr Nationals. He has also lost to multiple guys in his class every time he competed locally. The reason he is qualified is because the standards qualify top 5 for Jr Nationals. However, as stated earlier and supported by every pro/national judge I’ve ever met, qualified does not mean ready. He continues to get experience at losing at the local level, he doesn’t need to do a national show and get laughed at behind his back to get more of that.

As far as myself, I won 3 overalls before doing Jr Nationals after being encouraged to do so by multiple experienced people in bodybuilding. After placing second there to a guy who got second the following year at North Americans and being told to by Tyler Manion, I did USAs in 2021 and placed top 5 there after winning another overall. Now, I’ll do Nationals this year because I’m doubly qualified from winning an overall in 2021 and placing top 5 at USAs.

But you can bet your ass I’m not petitioning the IFBB to give me a pro card so I can do a pro show because I know exactly where I fit in.