High anabolic lower test in offseason

MethodAir · Jan 29, 2020

LATS said:
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Right, but as @thebigbus noted, eq converts to a synthetic 'equipoise estradiol' metabolite, which can suppress aromatization.

Yes.. but I'm sure its weak in that regard.. especially if we are talking about supra levels compounds. In other words I'd probably not rely on it in regards to estro suppression.. but I'd have to check on it more..
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Right. However, there were blood readings circulating on a facebook group which suggested that the supraphysiological use of test and eq may have resulted in crashed estrogen for at least one user. It's a possibility to consider, if nothing else.

LATS · Jan 29, 2020

MethodAir said:
Yes.. but I'm sure its weak in that regard.. especially if we are talking about supra levels compounds. In other words I'd probably not rely on it in regards to estro suppression.. but I'd have to check on it more..

Right. However, there were blood readings circulating on a facebook group which suggested that the supraphysiological use of test and eq may have resulted in crashed estrogen for at least one user. It's a possibility to consider, if nothing else.
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Matt porter told me that he believed that primo crashed his estro levels once too.. which made me question as to the legitimate nature of his primo as we know primo is substituted with mast and other compounds regularly.. he was on 200mgs of test at the time..

juggy38 · Jan 29, 2020

LATS said:
Right. However, there were blood readings circulating on a facebook group which suggested that the supraphysiological use of test and eq may have resulted in crashed estrogen for at least one user. It's a possibility to consider, if nothing else.

Matt porter told me that he believed that primo crashed his estro levels once too.. which made me question as to the legitimate nature of his primo as we know primo is substituted with mast and other compounds regularly.. he was on 200mgs of test at the time..
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Lats I remeber that IG post. That was when Matt was doing 6-8 week “cycles” of really low dose items to see how it affect blood work. IIRC he did 200 DHB, and then a stint of like 20mg anavar daily

MethodAir · Jan 29, 2020

LATS said:
Right. However, there were blood readings circulating on a facebook group which suggested that the supraphysiological use of test and eq may have resulted in crashed estrogen for at least one user. It's a possibility to consider, if nothing else.

Matt porter told me that he believed that primo crashed his estro levels once too.. which made me question as to the legitimate nature of his primo as we know primo is substituted with mast and other compounds regularly.. he was on 200mgs of test at the time..
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Yea, the same applies to DHT derivatives. Anecdotally, I ran 200test, 400primo and my shoulders started creaking like a 90 year old (and I don't have joint problems). This was later supported by blood readings in the facebook group I mentioned.

LATS · Jan 29, 2020

Yeah .. but as we have seen in the past primo is heavily counterfeited.. no doubt dht derivatives can effect estrogen.. but many arent taking primo like they thought.. I know Matt figured out through testing that half his primo amps were fake.. but I agree dht can lower estro In many individuals.. we have seen this in blood work..

MethodAir · Jan 29, 2020

LATS said:
Yeah .. but as we have seen in the past primo is heavily counterfeited.. no doubt dht derivatives can effect estrogen.. but many arent taking primo like they thought.. I know Matt figured out through testing that half his primo amps were fake.. but I agree dht can lower estro In many individuals.. we have seen this in blood work..

Very true.

silverback1984 · Jan 30, 2020

luki7788 said:
According to me, tren is really the only measure concerning them, we take a more forced look, personally I used up to 200 mg of ace daily every day in the last days before the competition and I have no problems at this dose.

To be honest, of course I will not write the name but everyone will know who it is. 5 times the strongest man in the world used 300mg ace train per day and 30iu gh, anadrol in doses of 300mg daily for 9-10 months a year because this was the start season, life is still great and fulfills other sports

What a superb champion he was , the best of all time. What were his testosterone doses per week ?

IronLion2 · Jan 30, 2020

LATS said:
Yes.. but I'm sure its weak in that regard.. especially if we are talking about supra levels compounds. In other words I'd probably not rely on it in regards to estro suppression.. but I'd have to check on it more..

Boldenone – Realizing its full potential – IronMag Bodybuilding & Fitness Blog

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"Why? One explanation is found in the drug’s metabolism. Specifically, Boldenone metabolizes to an anti-aromatase inhibitor known as 1,4 dienedone. This could certainly explain why Boldenone, despite it relatively high rate of aromatization, does not deliver anywhere near the estrogenic punch that its aromatization rate implies."

- Our very own @Mike Arnold

LATS · Jan 31, 2020

IronLion2 said:
Boldenone – Realizing its full potential – IronMag Bodybuilding & Fitness Blog

www.ironmagazine.com

"Why? One explanation is found in the drug’s metabolism. Specifically, Boldenone metabolizes to an anti-aromatase inhibitor known as 1,4 dienedone. This could certainly explain why Boldenone, despite it relatively high rate of aromatization, does not deliver anywhere near the estrogenic punch that its aromatization rate implies."

- Our very own @Mike Arnold

Interesting.. still cant use eq though.. the anxiety is too much

madg · Feb 1, 2020

luki7788 said:
test prop 125mg ed
masteron p 100mg ed
tren ace 150mg ed
anavar 100mg ed
Stanozolol 50mg ed
primo 100mg ed

Of course, I advise you not to suggest my doses to anyone, first of all I have never had good genetics and when I started training I weighed 145 pounds, the second thing I used saa for over 11 years and I reached these doses gradually. Thirdly, I never feel any major side effects, I am quite resistant to them, which can be seen even after the results of the laoratory tests

Luki do you cruise or take time off at your level ?

FIRE0808 · Feb 1, 2020

LATS said:
Interesting.. still cant use eq though.. the anxiety is too much

At what dose did you got the anxiety, Lats?

LATS · Feb 1, 2020

It starts at about 300mgs

madg · Feb 1, 2020

FIRE0808 said:
At what dose did you got the anxiety, Lats?

I dont get it but my training partner gets fucked even on 300 mgs like LATS

i think ppl that are affected get it no matter the dose

Bleed · Feb 1, 2020

I got horrid anxiety on 800mg of eq but that was with a few other compounds included. I didnt have any issues with lower doses. Im going to try running a base of eq next winter with low test to see how that goes. Im not sure if im asking for trouble but ive avoided side effects by keeping test low with tren. Maybe it'll work. Or maybe ill have to randomly walk out of meetings for a minute until it clears my system. Or maybe my dhb run will go so well ill just use it in the winter and up the dosage.

madg said:
I dont get it but my training partner gets fucked even on 300 mgs like LATS

i think ppl that are affected get it no matter the dose

bonacris · Feb 1, 2020

Elvia1023 said:
I type so fast and informal in ways so the paragraphs can get long You are drinking guinness. From a can? I bet it tastes like crap in the US. It does in the UK even from draught. Have you ever been to Ireland? If not you need to go to Dublin and drink it there and you will know what I mean. Hopefully I will go to Dublin or Cork later this year

Come to Galway. It's a much nicer place than dublin or cork.

Elvia1023 · Feb 3, 2020

bonacris said:
Come to Galway. It's a much nicer place than dublin or cork.

I have been to Galway. I met a girl in Limerick or Cork (can't remember which one) and she was from there so I flew over a few weeks later and took her out over the weekend. It's definitely nicer but I am not really going to see the nice scenary as it will be for a weekend away with my mates.

Incidentally I am thinking over time on my current cycle I will probably lower test to about 300-450mg and add in primo at a decent dose to go with npp and masteron e. Right now I am on 600mg sust, 525mg npp and 200mg mast e. I am thinking maybe 700mg primo and stay at those doses until the end of my blast.

VaginaBoob89 · Feb 8, 2020

luki7788 said:
my example cycle from the last offseason (I do not include insulin and gh only androgens only)
2,1g sustanon week(300mg ed)
1,4g deca week
500mg dhb week

Do you use anything for prolactin with that high of deca? how about AI?

luki7788 · Feb 8, 2020

VaginaBoob89 said:
Do you use anything for prolactin with that high of deca? how about AI?

2.5mg letro ed buddy and 0.5mg cabergoline every 10-14days

This year I will take one more approach to aromasin as an IA because I recently found myself lousy with low concentration because it did not work practically at all, I used letro

MyNameIsJeff · Feb 8, 2020

luki7788 said:
2.5mg letro ed buddy and 0.5mg cabergoline every 10-14days

This year I will take one more approach to aromasin as an IA because I recently found myself lousy with low concentration because it did not work practically at all, I used letro

!? The letro is not the issue here, it's the ridiculously high dose... The dose about 20 times higher than what it should be.