High carb VS high protein

[Optimo Pharma]

Question for you all. There has been recent talk that if you eat 100 G of protein and high carb will build more muscle. Rather than 100 G of carb and high protein. What do we think about this? High protein or high carb?

 

[Virtues]

Protein builds muscle and carbs fuel training.
Get enough protein first, then add carbs to improve performance and growth.
High carbs cannot replace low protein.

 

[Optimo Pharma]

I would agree. It was wild to me that that was even a debate I saw recently

 

[Splitzz]

Don’t believe all the BS on social media. Unless any studies have been performed is just talk.

 

[Optimo Pharma]

I didn’t believe it just wanted to share it here cuz it seemed crazy to me

 

[SOUR DIESEL]

Rather than 100 G of carb and high protein. What do we think about this? High protein or high carb?

^^^hey brother ..anybody that's been doing this for any amount of real time already knows the answer to this ..very well
..how?
..bc we'v tried it .....& the results speak clearly


→it's is not an "either ..or" situation
..there's a balance for "best" results

►carbohydrates spare protein
..adequate protein without adequate corresponding carbs
..causes the protein to be burned for fuel ..as needed ..instead of being used to build structure


►CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING;
Skeletal muscle is composed of approximately 70-75% water & 18-23% protein, making it a highly hydrated, protein-rich tissue. The remaining 1–7% consists of fats, glycogen, and minerals. Water acts as a solvent for metabolic processes, while proteins like actin and myosin are essential for muscle structure and contraction

-Water (70-75%): Essential for transporting nutrients, maintaining cellular volume, and facilitating muscle contraction
-Protein (18-23%): The structural component responsible for muscle strength, contraction, and rebuilding
-Other Components: Small amounts of fat (lipids), glycogen (energy storage), and minerals (calcium, magnesium, potassium) are present
-Structure: Muscle fibers operate like "active sponges," where water-filled networks contain contractile proteins

►adequate hydration is critical for protein synthesis and preventing muscle breakdown
^^^why does this matter here?
..bc;
-carbohydrates are stored as glycogen in muscles ..& the liver
-each gram of glycogen binds 3-4grams of water
-so when you eat carbs ..your body stores more water along with them

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→IMO; though protein is essential ..adequate carbohydrates are indispensable for making efficient use of protein intake
..in other words; adequate carbohydrate allows you to make much better use of any protein intake ..& amplifies results
..so tho carbs don’t build muscle directly ..they;
-fuel hard workouts
-refill glycogen
-spare/reduce muscle breakdown
-increase insulin ←this is very beneficial in this scope/goal


***LONG STORY SHORT;
..low carbs + high protein = shitty workouts & "lagging" gains


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[Optimo Pharma]

I couldn’t agree more. I’m just shocked it’s even a conversation that’s happening.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Figure out your protein target (200g? 300g?) and then calories (deficit or surplus)

Then food preferences; if you're goal is bodybuilding, it's gonna be skewed toward higher carb

If it's not based around stuff you like to eat, or moderately modified from that, might not work so well long-term

Also note: bodybuilding diets tend to be repetitive & boring; that's OK depending on your goals

 

[buck]

Seems most studies in the past figuring out nitrogen retention were not done the best. Mostly it seems they have people pee in a bottle, analyzed the amount of nitrogen excreted then formed their opinion as to how much nitrogen is needed for growth. But nitrogen is also excreted through sweat, pooping etc. When i started lifting i figured out what i thought was optimal from my reading. After a time i added more protein and grew better. And did that till it seemed that i had hit my threshold. I adjusted my other macro to see how things went as well. I changed one thing at a time and tried it for a few months to see how things went. It is not like i was going to shrink any doing it this way.

 

[Optimo Pharma]

Good way to go about it