High Hematocrit

[plumpsumo]

Hey Guys,

I need some help. My HCT (hematocrit) is naturally on the high-normal side (about 49) from HRT (Androderm).

I'd like to start watching a tad bit more DVDs, but am concerned.

Any natural supplements to recommend along with dosages is greatly appreciated. I already am doing 3G of fish oil caps ED per Shelby's advice.

Thanks,
Plump

 

[Userat204]

That's really not bad but it's smart to consider if planning to add to your use. The only thing I have found to lower hematocrit is donating blood. Even while on trt you should do this every 58 days just to reduce it.

I would say stay away from EQ, nandrolone, and anadrol if it's already semi high because both of those will increase RBC.

I'm not sure if tren would raise it or primo/mast/var may be good options.

 

[maldorf]

That's really not bad but it's smart to consider if planning to add to your use. The only thing I have found to lower hematocrit is donating blood. Even while on trt you should do this every 58 days just to reduce it.

I would say stay away from EQ, nandrolone, and anadrol if it's already semi high because both of those will increase RBC.

I'm not sure if tren would raise it or primo/mast/var may be good options.

I agree with the above. The main thing you are going to have to do is start having phlebotomies either at the docs office or donating. Donating is going to be easier as long as you dont let your HCT get up to like 55 or so because then they wont let you give.
I would give blood right before you start your cycle. I wouldnt run a cycle more than maybe 8 weeks tops and dont run it too high dose. Stay away from the EQ/Deca IMO. I think tren jacked mine up too. No anadrol of course. Personally, if youre on the equivalent of say 100-150 mg test per week HRT if you take a cycle of 500 mg test that is going to be all you need to grow darn well. If I were you I would purchase a hemoglobin meter and keep track of yours during the cycle. Once you HGB get up to like 18 its definetely time to either give blood or get off the cycle and drop back to HRT only. You will be surprised how fast your count goes up, and you may not make it 8 weeks even. I forget how often the blood banks let you give blood but I think it may be once every 90 days. If it gets high before then youll have to find another place to give.

PS, you can buy those meters online and they have come down a lot in price since I bought mine. Look around and youll find some.

 

[Richusa]

As a precaution take a daily asprin this will not lower the numbers but will help keeping blood thin and circulating

 

[deanabol]

I've never heard of a heimaglobin meter , that would be really usefull !!

 

[mike036]

my hematocrit was very high a couple of months ago-58.i donated blood at the red cross,the cut off is 60 over here at the red cross in new york,and i donate now every two months-currently at my last donation my hematocrit was 49 and i am currently using test and the dreaded eq-donating blood definitely works and a baby aspirin every day

 

[Ehren]

Here are some other things you can do beside donating:

Cardio 20 minutes a day 6 days a week. Bicycle works best...cyclists always have lower crit. Runners second.

Grapefruit, half a GF a day. Or, I use Grapefruit seed extract. GF aggregates red blood cells when crit is high. Once they're aggregated, they're excreted. Interestingly, GF will raise your crit if it's low, or lower it if it's high.

Aspirin. As said above. Helps keeps clots from forming. Also, if you take aspirin, you lose a about a tablespoon of blood a day in the intestines...so it adds up.

Lots of water. Gallon or more per day. Adds some water to the ratio. And as athletes, we're often dehydrated.

Hope this helps!

 

[ramayana]

Here are some other things you can do beside donating:

Cardio 20 minutes a day 6 days a week. Bicycle works best...cyclists always have lower crit. Runners second.


I am on 100mg test c per week for hrt (for 2 years or so) and over the past year I have been mountain biking consistently, in addition to my workouts: 2 intense rides per week. I just had labs drawn a few weeks ago and my crit was 45. My doc was very surprised saying "most of my trt patient's hct run significantly higher". Plus, I feel much better overall getting outside pushing myself on the bike.

 

[buck]

i donate blood every 2-3 months and it keeps my numbers in a good range, and i don't have to worry about the Dr. cutting off my scripts!

 

[maldorf]

Cardio 20 minutes a day 6 days a week. Bicycle works best...cyclists always have lower crit. Runners second.

!

Doing the cardio did nothing for lowering my HCT. I wish it had. I now do 45 mins a day on the treadmill which is about 3 miles for me and it had zero affect. thats just my personal experience. So it doesnt work for everyone and I would not rely on it to lower it. DOing cardio though is extremely healthy and we should all do lots of it anyhow, so do as much as you can.

 

[NZRABBIT]

Maldorf,
Do elevated haemoglobin levels correlate well with elevated haematocrit levels?

 

[yates]

Are you guys referring to baby Aspirins daily (81mg)?

or Adult size aspirins (325mg)?

 

[Creation]

Here are some other things you can do beside donating:

Cardio 20 minutes a day 6 days a week. Bicycle works best...cyclists always have lower crit. Runners second.

Grapefruit, half a GF a day. Or, I use Grapefruit seed extract. GF aggregates red blood cells when crit is high. Once they're aggregated, they're excreted. Interestingly, GF will raise your crit if it's low, or lower it if it's high.

Aspirin. As said above. Helps keeps clots from forming. Also, if you take aspirin, you lose a about a tablespoon of blood a day in the intestines...so it adds up.

Lots of water. Gallon or more per day. Adds some water to the ratio. And as athletes, we're often dehydrated.

Hope this helps!

had no idea grapefruit could do this...thanks for the info

 

[kid1dakota]

Are you guys referring to baby Aspirins daily (81mg)?

or Adult size aspirins (325mg)?

The baby aspirin is what is used for aspirin therapy.One a day has been the standard,BUT latest research has turned toward more and more docs recommending two baby aspirins per day.

 

[deanabol]

I think the main misconception with aspirin is that people think it thins the blood and that as long as they take it they'll be ok.
It will do nothing to lower hct / iron levels but only help prevent clots forming

 

[Ehren]

Here are some other things you can do beside donating:

Cardio 20 minutes a day 6 days a week. Bicycle works best...cyclists always have lower crit. Runners second.


I am on 100mg test c per week for hrt (for 2 years or so) and over the past year I have been mountain biking consistently, in addition to my workouts: 2 intense rides per week. I just had labs drawn a few weeks ago and my crit was 45. My doc was very surprised saying "most of my trt patient's hct run significantly higher". Plus, I feel much better overall getting outside pushing myself on the bike.

Nice! 45 is a good place to be! Genetics plays a role too. And clotting disorders are a bitch if a person is predisposed. At first, cardio may cause crit to rise, but then should go down a bit in many cases.

Doing the cardio did nothing for lowering my HCT. I wish it had. I now do 45 mins a day on the treadmill which is about 3 miles for me and it had zero affect. thats just my personal experience. So it doesnt work for everyone and I would not rely on it to lower it. DOing cardio though is extremely healthy and we should all do lots of it anyhow, so do as much as you can.

That's a bummer, Maldorf! Sound advice here too, don't rely on any one thing. Donate, cardio, Grapefruit, aspirin, water, etc....every day. That way, if you miss a day on one thing, it's not the end of the world! Literally!

Im going in to donate in the next two weeks, so we'll see if Im still good. I've recently started Deca which can do a number on Crit...but my cycles are short and moderately dosed and my off time is long. But it's TRT so Ive got to be careful.

Just anecdotally, it's been good thru many cycles. My last test was after a month of Drol and Test/Mast for 2 months. I attribute being ok to plenty of movement every day, all the above and a couple things no one mentioned...but there's no science behind these: I'm sparing with red meat. I love it, but in Europe we eat lost of chicken and pork. So less iron in the diet overall. And I drink shitloads of coffee, which has been shown to decrease iron absorption. Does it contribute? Dunno. But so far so good.

 

[Ehren]

had no idea grapefruit could do this...thanks for the info

Sure, my pleasure, Bro!

One side effect of GF though...it may cause the orals you take to be more effective. It limits the breakdown of any orals that are deactivated by the CYP450 enzyme. Take fresh Grapefruit juice or 10-15 drops of GSExtract with 25mg of Viagra for example and you'll see what I'm talking about!

 

[Stewie]

Not intended on intruding. ..yes there is a correlation between the two hemoglobin X3 = hematocrit. Ex: if your hemoglobin is 15 your hematocrit SHOULD be around 45%.

For those doing routine phlebotomies consider having your TIBC with saturation and ferritin levels checked once or twice a year

For myself I go in once a month for routine phlebotomies,So the week of and the week after my Lettings I'll supplement with 325mg of ferrous sulfate (Iron) per day
Otherwise I become anemic and with low ferritin levels (which both Iron and ferritin are bound in the blood) puts me at continual sub clinical hypothyroidism, in which I'm on prescribed T3 because of this.

I'm like Maldorf,cardio doesn't help lower my levels, although some it does work for them.
Grapefruit does work for me, something I've found that helps is to eat it solo from iron fortified foods, due too Vitamin C aids in absorptio of iron which may raise RBC'S.

Effect of hematocrit on blood pressure - PubMed Mobile
Ingestion of grapefruit lowers elevated... [Int J Vitam Nutr Res. 1988] - PubMed - NCBI

Maldorf,
Do elevated haemoglobin levels correlate well with elevated haematocrit levels?

 

[Chipper Jones78]

I had always worried aabout high RBC and EQ.

What is considered a "high dose" for the average 200LB male athlete?

What is considered a "safe doe" with EQ?

Chip

 

[saps]

I give blood when I'm cruising on TRT doses. Its not every 8 weeks like you can since my blasts are longer than that. But 3-4 times a year surely is better than none. You have to get the old blood out, all the pills and potions in the world are not as effective as giving a pint.