High Systoic BP reading

[foxman101]

Hey guys..

been batting thyroid issues and BP issues for a few months now. Last check Up was about 6 weeks ago. However since then my systolic number has been getting rather high..
Im normally in the high 140s to mid 150s…
My bottom number is always about 78.
My diet has picked up a little … and I’m much more active now
(Was on pretty much bed rest until the rules out my heart as a problem)

Just curious as to why my top number is getting up there all a sudden.

stats -
201lbs
32 yrs old
No AAS lately

take
Escitalopram 10mg ed
Metropolol 10mg
Lisiniprol / HTCZ 10/12.5 mg Ed.
.5-1mg Xanax Ed as needed
(I’ll take Xanax 1-2x a week if I get bad)

 

[Reload]

My suggestion is to keep a BP log. Am, mid day and pm. If the trend continues for a week you might look into seeing a cardiologist. At minimum go see your PCP and have labs drawn. Long term BP issues wreck kidney function among other concerns. Know rather than guess.

 

[maldorf]

Hey guys..

been batting thyroid issues and BP issues for a few months now. Last check Up was about 6 weeks ago. However since then my systolic number has been getting rather high..
Im normally in the high 140s to mid 150s…
My bottom number is always about 78.
My diet has picked up a little … and I’m much more active now
(Was on pretty much bed rest until the rules out my heart as a problem)

Just curious as to why my top number is getting up there all a sudden.

stats -
201lbs
32 yrs old
No AAS lately

take
Escitalopram 10mg ed
Metropolol 10mg
Lisiniprol / HTCZ 10/12.5 mg Ed.
.5-1mg Xanax Ed as needed
(I’ll take Xanax 1-2x a week if I get bad)

Your pulse pressure is fairly high then if your diastolic is down below 80.

One cause for that is hardening of the arteries. If the artery walls are stiff, then they are unable to stretch when the heart beats and that raises systolic pressure.

There are other causes for this too I'm sure, but can't think of any now.

 

[mike036]

Hey guys..

been batting thyroid issues and BP issues for a few months now. Last check Up was about 6 weeks ago. However since then my systolic number has been getting rather high..
Im normally in the high 140s to mid 150s…
My bottom number is always about 78.
My diet has picked up a little … and I’m much more active now
(Was on pretty much bed rest until the rules out my heart as a problem)

Just curious as to why my top number is getting up there all a sudden.

stats -
201lbs
32 yrs old
No AAS lately

take
Escitalopram 10mg ed
Metropolol 10mg
Lisiniprol / HTCZ 10/12.5 mg Ed.
.5-1mg Xanax Ed as needed
(I’ll take Xanax 1-2x a week if I get bad)

I see you mentioned you are battling thyroid issues. Do you take any meds for it. When I was diagnosed as being hypothyroid I had the same issue. My systolic was high (140-150) but my diastolic was around 70. Once I started T4 (levithyroxine) my bp went back to normal. I am low 120’s over low 70’s now.

 

[maldorf]

I see you mentioned you are battling thyroid issues. Do you take any meds for it. When I was diagnosed as being hypothyroid I had the same issue. My systolic was high (140-150) but my diastolic was around 70. Once I started T4 (levithyroxine) my bp went back to normal. I am low 120’s over low 70’s now.

Interesting. Did you ever discover why that happens?

 

[mike036]

Interesting. Did you ever discover why that happens?

No but it was definitely related to me being hypothyroid

 

[maldorf]

No but it was definitely related to me being hypothyroid

"
Hypertension and Hypothyroidism. One might expect people with hypothyroid conditions to have low blood pressure. And while sometimes this is the case, an elevated blood pressure is a common finding in patients with overt hypothyroidism **broken link removed**. But why would people with hypothyroidism experience an increase in blood pressure? The first reason is the increase in peripheral vascular resistance (6). The second reason is due to an increase in arterial stiffness, which is most likely due to myxedema of the arterial wall **broken link removed**.

The good news is that regulation of blood pressure usually improves once the thyroid hormone levels are in balance. In other words, when the person reaches a state of euthyroidism then the high blood pressure will typically become normal. This is the case with both hyperthyroid and hypothyroid conditions. However, there of course can be other factors which lead to high blood pressure, and if this is the case then balancing the thyroid hormone levels might not lead to a lowering of blood pressure in people with hypertension."

From this article.

Blood Pressure and Thyroid Health

Thyroid hormone has a profound effect on the cardiovascular system, and can also affect blood pressure. Many people with both hypothyroid and hyperthyroid conditions have hypertension. And while balancing the thyroid hormone levels will frequently help to regulate the blood pressure, sometimes...

www.naturalendocrinesolutions.com

So it increases resistance in this manner:

"Vascular resistance — Thyroid hormone relaxes vascular smooth muscle cells, thereby reducing peripheral vascular resistance [3]. Conversely, hypothyroidism causes a decrease in the release of endothelial-derived relaxing factor (EDRF), which in turn promotes contraction of these cells, thereby increasing peripheral vascular resistance [2]. This change results in reductions in cardiac output (in part because the heart cannot increase contractility to compensate) and tissue perfusion. Tissue oxygen utilization is also decreased; thus, arteriovenous (A-V) oxygen extraction is not different from that in normal subjects [4]."

UpToDate

www.uptodate.com

 

[Kaladryn]

The absolute first question is, how much cardio are you doing? Cardio is required to keep the heart in shape and BP in check for most people.

 

[foxman101]

@Reload ,
Just had bloods done etc everything game back ok. Besides thyroid #s and test was at 250…
My doc is trying to keep me from getting on thyroid meds and TRT as, once I’m on I won’t get off.

my BP log has been decent , until as of lately with the spike in the systolic number.
I’ve cut out most gluten of diet and it seems to help thyroid function as I feel better most days, if I eat pasta I can def feel the difference.

As far as cardio goes I’ve actually upped my cardio and have seen worse results lately which is odd and seems off.
I feel fine but my numbers are up.
I’ve actually switched BO devices thinking it could be a mis reading .. however that was wrong .

lately ive been extremely thirsty and just crushing Powerade / body armour and other sports drinks . Not sure if this has anything to do with anything

 

[maldorf]

@Reload ,
Just had bloods done etc everything game back ok. Besides thyroid #s and test was at 250…
My doc is trying to keep me from getting on thyroid meds and TRT as, once I’m on I won’t get off.

my BP log has been decent , until as of lately with the spike in the systolic number.
I’ve cut out most gluten of diet and it seems to help thyroid function as I feel better most days, if I eat pasta I can def feel the difference.

As far as cardio goes I’ve actually upped my cardio and have seen worse results lately which is odd and seems off.
I feel fine but my numbers are up.
I’ve actually switched BO devices thinking it could be a mis reading .. however that was wrong .

lately ive been extremely thirsty and just crushing Powerade / body armour and other sports drinks . Not sure if this has anything to do with anything

Thirst like that could be a sign of diabetes. Did you get checked out for that?

Hopefully those energy drinks aren't filled with caffeine and other stimulants, because those will raise BP.

 

[Kaladryn]

I'd consider coming off everything, maybe doing 10mg/day protocol or similar, something completely physiological, and sort your thyroid and BP issues before going supraphysiological again.

 

[foxman101]

I see you mentioned you are battling thyroid issues. Do you take any meds for it. When I was diagnosed as being hypothyroid I had the same issue. My systolic was high (140-150) but my diastolic was around 70. Once I started T4 (levithyroxine) my bp went back to normal. I am low 120’s over low 70’s now.

yes mike I have same thing ,
My doc didn’t want me in Thyroid meds as of just yet, I’ve really changed my diet and other things to try and avoid it. My number have improved but yet still having the high systolic number .

I think he is just trying to delay the Inevitable…

I was diagnosed with Hashimoto’s disease

 

[XXL]

So you are on Lisiniprol and still have Bp issues if I am reading this right?

Have you had a recent kidney panel?

A lot of times with BP it can be kidney driven. Severe mineral depletion, especially potassium plays a huge role. AND with Hashimoto’s you can bet there are a bunch. It’s an AI disease that comes with long term chronic stress and minerals loss. I have heard potassium citrate helps. Can’t rec a dose, never used it.

I have only used:
5mg cialis eod
Carditone am and pm
Nattokinase am

 

[foxman101]

So you are on Lisiniprol and still have Bp issues if I am reading this right?

Have you had a recent kidney panel?

A lot of times with BP it can be kidney driven. Severe mineral depletion, especially potassium plays a huge role. AND with Hashimoto’s you can bet there are a bunch. It’s an AI disease that comes with long term chronic stress and minerals loss. I have heard potassium citrate helps. Can’t rec a dose, never used it.

I have only used:
5mg cialis eod
Carditone am and pm
Nattokinase am

I did have several labs ran and compared to my numbers 2 months ago I made huge improvement.
My doctor attributed this to cardio / gym.. and also staying away from gluten and also anything “white”
My Anexity and stress levels have also came down significantly.
I was doing great around 117/64 - 124/68 always in that range but now, we are having higher numbers in the 140s but still 80’ or less.
And yes I know about the AI part and the lack of minerals. I try and keep a good multi in my system, and also potassium when I can.
I used to be a strong fan of Cialis at 5-10mg daily so I think I’ll go back on that soon.

my test levels are at 250, and our scale starts at 258-1100xx or so so i do qualify for TRT however going to run
HCG, Nolva and clomid with Adex to see if we can get back to natural good levels.

I’ll test again soon and check numbers , if I can find my kidney panel, I’ll post up the numbers for you guys.

appreciate all the help.
I’ll also look into those other supplements you mentioned

 

[Reload]

At 32 I understand why your trying to get your HPTA normalized.
You qualify for TRT so I'm sure that's a comfort if your plan doesn't
budge your total as high as you's like.
I'd lay off all the sugary sports drinks and stick to good ol' H2O.
You ever consider Coconut water? It's loaded with K+.

 

[Kaladryn]

I did have several labs ran and compared to my numbers 2 months ago I made huge improvement.
My doctor attributed this to cardio / gym.. and also staying away from gluten and also anything “white”
My Anexity and stress levels have also came down significantly.
I was doing great around 117/64 - 124/68 always in that range but now, we are having higher numbers in the 140s but still 80’ or less.
And yes I know about the AI part and the lack of minerals. I try and keep a good multi in my system, and also potassium when I can.
I used to be a strong fan of Cialis at 5-10mg daily so I think I’ll go back on that soon.

my test levels are at 250, and our scale starts at 258-1100xx or so so i do qualify for TRT however going to run
HCG, Nolva and clomid with Adex to see if we can get back to natural good levels.

I’ll test again soon and check numbers , if I can find my kidney panel, I’ll post up the numbers for you guys.

appreciate all the help.
I’ll also look into those other supplements you mentioned

Your body will have trouble normalizing at 250/week, that is low dose but way more than we make naturally (men make like 7-8mg/day of non-esterified test)

Running hcg, nolva, clomid, and adex all at once probably isn't going to go well.

 

[Reload]

Your body will have trouble normalizing at 250/week, that is low dose but way more than we make naturally (men make like 7-8mg/day of non-esterified test)

Running hcg, nolva, clomid, and adex all at once probably isn't going to go well.

I could be wrong here but I think he's saying his total test is 250, not that he's taking 250mg of test?
250mg/test per week and I'd be in the 1500-1900's.
I agree with his ancillary plan likely not going well.

 

[foxman101]

At 32 I understand why your trying to get your HPTA normalized.
You qualify for TRT so I'm sure that's a comfort if your plan doesn't
budge your total as high as you's like.
I'd lay off all the sugary sports drinks and stick to good ol' H2O.
You ever consider Coconut water? It's loaded with K+.

Correct ,
My test level is at 250…
I have not taken any aas in a while.
And I have switched over to Body armor lyte which is made with coconut water. I drink 3-4 a day. Then also have water, Powerade etc. I’m in FL so, I keep hydrated as much as possible with the sun.

correct tho I do qualify for TRT , my doctor is trying to bring it back naturally. He said my thyroid can play a role with the testosterone #s.
He is trying to see if my body will come back naturally before he puts me on thyroid meds and also TRT as once I go on both , or either one, it’ll be for life.

I feel decent most days. Compared to a few months ago when I felt like shit daily .

is there a specific reason you think the
HCG, clomid, nolvadex / Adex combo won’t sit well ?
too much at once ? Should I just do HCG ? I have 20,000ius I think so it should give me enough . To blast it or just cruise for a longer period .

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Basically knock everything off for a week or two other than prescribed meds. Your BP isn't lethal high just 10-20% higher than normal. It's probably the escitalopram (norepinephrine agonist).

Something you can do right away: Take your BP until you get a reliable number. Hopefully, you know how to properly take your BP. Then take 0.5 or 1 mg alprazolam. Wait an hour and repeat BP. If no change, that should rule out stress, anxiety (epinephrine), overtraining, and possibly a few other things. Know that escitalopram can increase BP and resting heart rate so maybe take your pressure before you take your daily dose. Don't stop taking it without discussing with your Doc.

But then start/drop all the following if applicable.

Switch to straight water
Minimize your sodium intake
Lower your simple sugar intake, those drinks have a ton of sugar (complex carbs only)
Drop any creatine formulation you may be taking and/or NO booster or any PDE5 inhibitor like Viagra, Cialis, etc

If it does return to your normal 115-130 range, than add your stuff back one thing at a time until you find the culprit. I bet dollars to donuts it's something you're taking rather than a health problem.

If coming off everything does nothing, then you should get some additional bloodwork (CBC, thyroid, renal, etc) or maybe need a medication adjustment.

 

[maldorf]

Correct ,
My test level is at 250…
I have not taken any aas in a while.
And I have switched over to Body armor lyte which is made with coconut water. I drink 3-4 a day. Then also have water, Powerade etc. I’m in FL so, I keep hydrated as much as possible with the sun.

correct tho I do qualify for TRT , my doctor is trying to bring it back naturally. He said my thyroid can play a role with the testosterone #s.
He is trying to see if my body will come back naturally before he puts me on thyroid meds and also TRT as once I go on both , or either one, it’ll be for life.

I feel decent most days. Compared to a few months ago when I felt like shit daily .

is there a specific reason you think the
HCG, clomid, nolvadex / Adex combo won’t sit well ?
too much at once ? Should I just do HCG ? I have 20,000ius I think so it should give me enough . To blast it or just cruise for a longer period .

How long have you been off everything and trying to get it back? My endo was the same way and had me wait about 1 year before we threw in the towel and put me on TRT. It is worth the wait IMO, even if it fails. You need to know for sure that its not coming back. My total test level never got higher than around 50 or so too. So your's is 5x as high. You shouldnt feel near as bad as I did. Keep it up, maybe youll get lucky. I was 38 at the time I tried.