Highly unusual blood work…

Performance Based · Dec 24, 2022

Good afternoon all - just finished a three week de-load phase + vacation. I feel rested, relaxed and ready to start prepping for a few events.

Blood work done yesterday (Dec 22).

Past four weeks I have been on

Prescribed 200 test + 100 nandro + 350 primo from pharmaqo (sponsor).

Fasted blood glucose 98 (typically at 85)
Cholesterol 279 (usually 120s)
HDL 36 (about normal for me)
LDL 227 (usually around 115)

Only thing that changed compound wise was the addition of primo. Training went down to 1x per day and fairly relaxed, diet not great on the trip but not bad.

Even after GH administration (one month without) my BG is never that high….

Starting metformin ER 500mg 3x per day tomorrow.

Thoughts/Ideas?

Mufasa123 · Dec 24, 2022

Short version - glucose and ldl boggle me a bit, not seeing a connection on drugs listed and my own experience.

Just for context I have a lot of experience with low dose/cruise test and deca togther and I've run a number hplc tested primo cycles. I have a shit ton of blood work going back 10+ years and knowing how compounds affect me and my body is important to me.

I just got off a 19 week 200 test/200 deca cruise and posted maybe the best blood work I've had since my 20s (I'm late 40s). Triglycerides was 60s as was LDL. My HDL is always lower end of range (35-39) and came in at 44 which is great for me. I've run this same combo 24+ months straight years ago and thematically similar results but a little worse as diet/cardio wasn't as nailed down. I have NEVER seen deca/test combo boost or impair hdl/ldl even a point on ME up to 750 test and 600 deca.

For primo I've never run under 600mg but I've run probably three 20 week blasts at around that level. HDL always takes a hit but LDL has never increased significantly and other than hdl bloods are perfect. Maybe at lower doses like 200-300 range hdl wouldn't take a hit. For context regular hdl 35-39 and on 600mg of primo it was 26-27. Not horrible but 350 tren and 25mg winstrol Ed put hdl at 23 with all liver values in range so I mean... For a few pts of hdl hit I can run an infinitely more effective stack (based on Bloodwork alone which isn't the whole story but you get the jist). One of the reasons I'm not a big primo fan as I was looking for zero negative impacts. Bottom line for you - I've never seen or heard of primo increasing ldl substantially.

As far as fasting glucose. I've never seen mine move with 2 exceptions. GH mildly increases it and tren drops it substantially - dose dependent. I take metformin now but that predates metformin

Also I take metformin er. Without it on hgh my glucose was 101. On 1000mg 1x per day it was like 61-63. I'd start with 500mg as I just backlog off to that. Additionally ER is extended release. You don't need multiple dosages per day. Your experience may vary.

Hope that helps some but ldl and glucose don't match. Maybe something else in your life, supplements etc or maybe drugs are not as labeled. Who knows.

Cerberus777 · Dec 24, 2022

My blood work is always funky after a vacation that is relaxing. Diet is off not much cardio, I'd retest in a few weeks after you get back in the swing of things. Your workouts are full throttle you may just burn off the bad as I put it.

Reno911 · Dec 24, 2022

The LDL piece seems odd. I would just retest in a week for clarification.

As far as BG, how does your postprandial look at about 2:30 or 2:45? My fasted BG isn't always perfect but my postprandial numbers and A1C are solid.