How critical is high HR if BP etc. is fine?

[bbxtreme]

i more or less test during random times of the day.
I got up 30min ago and tested and it was 79 there, so i might have overreacted a bit.
The 90+ i mainly see if i test during the day at random times. might be ive just eaten or came home from my car walking stars 2-3mins prior etc.
What i totally forgot:
i took 1,5mg tirzepatide daily to aid blood sugar while running high hgh.
Tirzepatide alone increased my HR. I am not sure why it wasnt on my radar yesterday.
But i decreased the dosage today since i want to be atleast mid 70 again. Also dropped the tirzepatide to 1,5mg eod

@NEMSZ yes, thats me.
its a genetic thing, called non-compaction cardiomyopathy.
And dont get me wrong: i am not playing roulette with my health here (or not more then i would if i were "healthy").
ive experimented alot over the last almost 4 years to see what this heart condition tolerates and what not.
E.g. i can not run NPP, DECA, Trest or DBOL. I have to keep my water retention at a pretty low level.
I have run quaterly Echos on several different amounts and components over this timeframe to see what "hurts" me and what not.
(my Echos in Q1 this year was even on a higher blast but tren was at a lower dosage. Primo was way higher and mast was in there too.
After this Echo my doc said "you are pretty much stable, mitral insufficiency went from high insufficience to low insuffiecience so keep doing what you are doing
.. i just thought "ehmm... better not xD)
I dont take your question as offensive. I would ask the same if someone else were in my shoes and probably think he is crazy.
TBH.. Bodybuilding is a very big part of my life. I would not be able to let it go without getting big mental issues..

Did you happen to have an MRI done to assess for any damage or scar tissue? An echo is great, but nowhere near as accurate as an MRI for assessing things. No judgment either, just would be good to have so you have the full picture as you move forward with cycles.

Many people genetically have a higher RHR. The key is knowing your true baseline as well tracking your HRV.

As others have said- sleep is huge as the CNS can play a role with RHR as well so ensuring a strict sleep schedule, high recovery and HRV are key.

 

[buck]

Having a high resting heart rate to support elevated BP is less then optimal for me. Both tend to age the vascular system quicker. I would do something about it myself. Just depends on ones comfort zone.

 

[M@NU]

Did you happen to have an MRI done to assess for any damage or scar tissue? An echo is great, but nowhere near as accurate as an MRI for assessing things. No judgment either, just would be good to have so you have the full picture as you move forward with cycles.

Many people genetically have a higher RHR. The key is knowing your true baseline as well tracking your HRV.

As others have said- sleep is huge as the CNS can play a role with RHR as well so ensuring a strict sleep schedule, high recovery and HRV are key.

i had something "better" than a simple MRI
Cardio MRI.
wont ever do it again. Horrible experience.
45 minutes in this tight device. contrast medium IV on one side, Adenosine IV on the other arm after around 20minutes.
I am not one who has issues with pain or unpleasent examinations etc... but this one was a horrible experience..
i have a cardiomyopathy called non compaction cardiomyopathy. Part of my heart has not properly evolved in embyonal stadium and looks like a sponge.
Heart is also enlarged but wall thickness etc is good. EF is around 38%. Mitral insuffience improved from high insufficiency to low now.

 

[bbxtreme]

i had something "better" than a simple MRI
Cardio MRI.
wont ever do it again. Horrible experience.
45 minutes in this tight device. contrast medium IV on one side, Adenosine IV on the other arm after around 20minutes.
I am not one who has issues with pain or unpleasent examinations etc... but this one was a horrible experience..
i have a cardiomyopathy called non compaction cardiomyopathy. Part of my heart has not properly evolved in embyonal stadium and looks like a sponge.
Heart is also enlarged but wall thickness etc is good. EF is around 38%. Mitral insuffience improved from high insufficiency to low now.

That sounds brutal, but it also sounds like you have a good cardiology team.

Where most guys go wrong is having a cardiac defect or event and then blindly go back to running cycles without any plan or monitoring.

Knowing all this though you will likely always have to slowly work compounds up in dosage. And if you use tren, take your Nebilivol higher to keep RHR down lower.

Always feel free to DM me for input on supplements etc but it sounds like you’re on top of it!

 

[M@NU]

That sounds brutal, but it also sounds like you have a good cardiology team.

Where most guys go wrong is having a cardiac defect or event and then blindly go back to running cycles without any plan or monitoring.

Knowing all this though you will likely always have to slowly work compounds up in dosage. And if you use tren, take your Nebilivol higher to keep RHR down lower.

Always feel free to DM me for input on supplements etc but it sounds like you’re on top of it!

its due to guys like you that i am (or at least hope so ) on top of my supplements.
guys like you, @luki7788 , @danieltx , @nothuman etc etc who are a wealth of knowledge and share this knowledge with the board.
I also try and inform myself through reading tons of studies etc. but you can never be on top of every single supplement / blood value / peptide thats out there.
thats why i love the bodybuilding community.

i upped my nebivolol to 13,75mg today and will keep it there during the blast.
What ive also missed to add: ive decided prior to this blast to use rosuvastatin and ezetemib during my blasts from now on. 2,5mg rosuvastatin and 5mg ezetemib daily. no side effects since ive started

 

[specter]

So i can only speak from personal experience, me, my sister and my father all have high rhr in the 80-90 all our lives its genetic, none of us have ever had issues other then when we push our bodies our heartrate can go really fuckin high but then we are talkin bodies pushed to the max, now later in life do to stress and other things i have been put on a betablocker and it pushed my rhr down around 70 now and i dont feel any difference, i have had my heart checked extensively and nothing is wrong with it, no LVH, no insane size increase, no chamber bigger then the other nothing...

 

[BIG_slice]

The heart is like an engine so kinda would make sense when it wears out quicker when you rev it up lol

 

[M@NU]

The heart is like an engine so kinda would make sense when it wears out quicker when you rev it up lol

poor endurance athletes then..

 

[BigRisk]

Whats y’alls thoughts on current vs resting heart rate on a apple watch? Because there is a big variance between the two..

 

[SouthernMuscle]

The heart is like an engine so kinda would make sense when it wears out quicker when you rev it up lol

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[nothuman]

Blood pressure is the most important, but high resting heart rate isn’t good either.

However, you can probably get away with a temporary increase in RHR from a steroid cycle and be ok after.

A temporary increase in blood pressure will do more damage in the short term than a high RHR.

 

[nothuman]

its due to guys like you that i am (or at least hope so ) on top of my supplements.
guys like you, @luki7788 , @danieltx , @nothuman etc etc who are a wealth of knowledge and share this knowledge with the board.
I also try and inform myself through reading tons of studies etc. but you can never be on top of every single supplement / blood value / peptide thats out there.
thats why i love the bodybuilding community.

i upped my nebivolol to 13,75mg today and will keep it there during the blast.
What ive also missed to add: ive decided prior to this blast to use rosuvastatin and ezetemib during my blasts from now on. 2,5mg rosuvastatin and 5mg ezetemib daily. no side effects since ive started

Are you taking Entresto? You might have mentioned it to me once but I do not recall. Sounds like something you’d want to be taking.

 

[M@NU]

Are you taking Entresto? You might have mentioned it to me once but I do not recall. Sounds like something you’d want to be taking.

yes,
1,75 tabs a 49/51 morning and 1 tab 49/51 evening.
trying to get up to 2/1 but its hard without crushing bp too much (right now on blast it could be possible but not on cruise)

 

[dieselbuilder]

i more or less test during random times of the day.
I got up 30min ago and tested and it was 79 there, so i might have overreacted a bit.
The 90+ i mainly see if i test during the day at random times. might be ive just eaten or came home from my car walking stars 2-3mins prior etc.
What i totally forgot:
i took 1,5mg tirzepatide daily to aid blood sugar while running high hgh.
Tirzepatide alone increased my HR. I am not sure why it wasnt on my radar yesterday.
But i decreased the dosage today since i want to be atleast mid 70 again. Also dropped the tirzepatide to 1,5mg eod

@NEMSZ yes, thats me.
its a genetic thing, called non-compaction cardiomyopathy.
And dont get me wrong: i am not playing roulette with my health here (or not more then i would if i were "healthy").
ive experimented alot over the last almost 4 years to see what this heart condition tolerates and what not.
E.g. i can not run NPP, DECA, Trest or DBOL. I have to keep my water retention at a pretty low level.
I have run quaterly Echos on several different amounts and components over this timeframe to see what "hurts" me and what not.
(my Echos in Q1 this year was even on a higher blast but tren was at a lower dosage. Primo was way higher and mast was in there too.
After this Echo my doc said "you are pretty much stable, mitral insufficiency went from high insufficience to low insuffiecience so keep doing what you are doing
.. i just thought "ehmm... better not xD)
I dont take your question as offensive. I would ask the same if someone else were in my shoes and probably think he is crazy.
TBH.. Bodybuilding is a very big part of my life. I would not be able to let it go without getting big mental issues..

I wear a Whoop.. helps me track things. Might be worth investing in

 

[marssel]

I strongly recommend keeping your resting heart rate below 70

your heart rate is very important even when your blood pressure is ok - your heart rate is like engine revs, let me give you an example. An F1 car engine works at very high revs. On the other hand, a diesel engine in a truck works at low revs. The first one wears out after one race, the second one does hundreds of thousands of km - your heart rate is revs - and your heart is one of these engines - which one do you choose...?

I agree at 70 or below is where I stay you can’t have your the high and be healthy or even rested. Generally a lower the is a measure of cardiac efficiency

 

[aHarness]

Whats y’alls thoughts on current vs resting heart rate on a apple watch? Because there is a big variance between the two..

I don’t even understand what you’re asking. Of course your current heart rate is going to be different than your resting?… what are you confused about

 

[BigRisk]

Just seems like every time I’m looking at my watch its like in the 90’s even chilling but my RhR says 67 for the day.. gotta check it manually in the morning.. i was just wondering if anyone is using their watches or manually doing it?

 

[bananas007]

Hi together,

currently i am running a blast since few weeks again.
my cruise was 13 weeks on 350mg test and 10iu hgh.
since 6 weeks i am running 1g test + 250mg tren hex + 300mg primo + 16iu hgh. E2 is mid of range
My heart rate spiked from usual nighttime around 62-64 to 75-77 and daytime from low 70's to 88-90bpm
i suspect it is the tren because the hgh dosage is not new to me. the combination of this hgh dosage + tren however is.
i am already taking 8,75mg nebivolol since years.

My BP is okay with 125-133/70-77.
blood sugar is always on the low side (even without tren)
how critical do you think the high resting heart rate is?
i have no palpitations, feel good, am not out of breah.
it just robs me a bit of piece of mind

thanks!
regards,
Manu

Blood pressure = cardiac output X systemic vascular resistance.

Cardiac output = heart rate x stroke volume


You have had a history of heart problem. You have been given a second chance at life. Why you are running this cycle or any cycle blows my mind.

You are probably catching it at the early start of damage setting in. Please titrate down and stop.

 

[M@NU]

Blood pressure = cardiac output X systemic vascular resistance.

Cardiac output = heart rate x stroke volume


You have had a history of heart problem. You have been given a second chance at life. Why you are running this cycle or any cycle blows my mind.

You are probably catching it at the early start of damage setting in. Please titrate down and stop.

thats the question that most of us should asking ourselves, no?
We all know we damage our bodies with that we do - some try to migate the damage by taking proper care with doc appointsments, blood work, pharma drugs and supplements - some simply dont care and go eyes closed.

I wont stop. The only thing that will stop me (hopefully in a far away future) from doing bodybuilding is death. I dont plan to go off or go to 70mg weekly.
40mg daily is what puts me at the top range (not out of range) so this is my trt.
I dont have a wife or kids - i owe noone. My parents are old, i am sure i outlive then. After that, it is me and bodybuilding. Noone i have to care about, noone i have to show consideration for.

I am sure i am one of the more careful users here. I know my bloods. i go to Bloods/Echos under full blast to see where i sit under bad circumstances (no, not like most do, blast the shit out of them and go to the doc 8 weeks into pct for bloods and an Echo)

I will titrate down. but not because i have a history of a heart condiiton. I am on top of it. I titrate down because I dont feel well knowing my HR is up 20+ points from baseline and i fear it might do damage

and dont get me wrong - i am not mad at you or am pissed because of your post.
but all the time in my life i hear "oh, you have a heart condition, better stop doing xy". According to my family doc, i should stwitch bodybuilding (or working out) to long walks, never ever drink coffee/soda light again and only drink water and camilloe tee.. fuck that. I rather die at 68 instead of 80 and drink my light sodas, do bodybuilding and take some AAS..

 

[bananas007]

thats the question that most of us should asking ourselves, no?
We all know we damage our bodies with that we do - some try to migate the damage by taking proper care with doc appointsments, blood work, pharma drugs and supplements - some simply dont care and go eyes closed.

I wont stop. The only thing that will stop me (hopefully in a far away future) from doing bodybuilding is death. I dont plan to go off or go to 70mg weekly.
40mg daily is what puts me at the top range (not out of range) so this is my trt.
I dont have a wife or kids - i owe noone. My parents are old, i am sure i outlive then. After that, it is me and bodybuilding. Noone i have to care about, noone i have to show consideration for.

I am sure i am one of the more careful users here. I know my bloods. i go to Bloods/Echos under full blast to see where i sit under bad circumstances (no, not like most do, blast the shit out of them and go to the doc 8 weeks into pct for bloods and an Echo)

I will titrate down. but not because i have a history of a heart condiiton. I am on top of it. I titrate down because I dont feel well knowing my HR is up 20+ points from baseline and i fear it might do damage

and dont get me wrong - i am not mad at you or am pissed because of your post.
but all the time in my life i hear "oh, you have a heart condition, better stop doing xy". According to my family doc, i should stwitch bodybuilding (or working out) to long walks, never ever drink coffee/soda light again and only drink water and camilloe tee.. fuck that. I rather die at 68 instead of 80 and drink my light sodas, do bodybuilding and take some AAS..

Ofcourse you should do what suits you best. Good luck.