HOW DOES THIS CYCLE LOOK

[hollaatyaboyy1]

stats 5'8 185-190 10% 23 years old..

test cyp 1-8 400/week
npp 1-8 100eod
test prop 9-12 400/week
test prop- 13-20 25ed
masteron 9-20 50ed
tren ace 13-20 32 ed

aromasin 12.5 ed
caber .5 x2 if needed
hcg 500ius week


pct
torem 120/120/ 60/60/60
nova 40/40/20/20/20


WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? ESP THE FACT THAT I WANT TO DROP DOSES TOWARD THE END OF THE CYCLE...

 

[nosnmiveins]

What are ur goals? Just by the cycle layout it looks like u want to add some size then go into a cut.

If that is the plan, then personally I would up the npp dose. I find 6-700mg a week great for adding lean mass.

 

[raw33man]

Torem's bad for your heart

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

Fuck. Is it bad for your heart? I didn't want to use Clomid because I'm concerned with acne. What makes it so bad. And the npp is what I have laying around .... 30mls dosed at 100mg. Unless I cut the duration I'm on it


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[raw33man]

Steroids are bad for your heart too

but at least you get muscles out of them ! but when it comes to PCT, you can stick to the good ol Nolva and Clomid or Aromasin...

Look up Torem bad for heart on google or somethin

 

[chris250]

test prop- 13-20 25ed
masteron 9-20 50ed
tren ace 13-20 32 ed

If it was mer personally, I would just do this...(on the doses)

test p 50mg EOD
masteron 100mg EOD
tren ace 75mg EOD

I dont know if ED would be actully that much better, but I think you will keep blood levels stable enough on a EOD schedule...IMO

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

i was trying to avoid any possibilities of tren sides that are in my control thats why i was thinking ed... with slin pins

and chris.....
being that i will be dropping my test dose ... wouldnt my estrogen jump up (i know i get estro related acne) should aromasin use bump up here>?

could i use nova and aromasin only or do i need the clomid in there as well

 

[Gunsmith]

test prop- 13-20 25ed
masteron 9-20 50ed
tren ace 13-20 32 ed

If it was mer personally, I would just do this...(on the doses)

test p 50mg EOD
masteron 100mg EOD
tren ace 75mg EOD

I dont know if ED would be actully that much better, but I think you will keep blood levels stable enough on a EOD schedule...IMO

I don't honestly think you would see a difference in shooting EOD over ED either other than twice the shots!!

I personally dont believe in clomid for the PCT thing ,
take HCG properly during the cycle then the last 3 weeks after your cycle keep test at 150-200mg a week with HCG @ 250iu 2x/wk and Nolvadex@20mg/ED and MassivG's test booster then drop test and HCG and Nolvadex

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

there has to be something with this fuckin pct because i get really really bad acne when i come off....but i never trieed tapering...

gunsmith
what do you think about dropping the test dose mid cycle..

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

And rawman you have a pm


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[Gunsmith]

I personally have never lowered my test dose lower than the teen I was running cause tren kills my dick.
currently I'm at 600 test , 200 mast 200 tren a week ,
when I start my prep I'm going up the mast and tren to 400
then then 8 weeks out up to 600 so that mast test and tren are equal ,
4 weeks out up mast to 800 lower test to 400 ,
2 weeks out up mast to 1k drop test through show.

I plan to run 500 iu HCG/wk through the cycle cut it out 3 week pre show the start back , post show drop everything except test at 200mg a week and follow above mentioned protocol , this low dose test with nolvadex should prevent any estrogen issues , I will probably run the test for several (5-6) weeks post show till I get my labs done.

clomid messed with my head bad and both times I took it I got bad acne , not sure it was the cause but certainly dident seem to help

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

Wouldn't Being on anyyyy test defeat the purpose of pct and keep u shut down

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[tr]

I personally have never lowered my test dose lower than the teen I was running cause tren kills my dick.
currently I'm at 600 test , 200 mast 200 tren a week ,
when I start my prep I'm going up the mast and tren to 400
then then 8 weeks out up to 600 so that mast test and tren are equal ,
4 weeks out up mast to 800 lower test to 400 ,
2 weeks out up mast to 1k drop test through show.

I plan to run 500 iu HCG/wk through the cycle cut it out 3 week pre show the start back , post show drop everything except test at 200mg a week and follow above mentioned protocol , this low dose test with nolvadex should prevent any estrogen issues , I will probably run the test for several (5-6) weeks post show till I get my labs done.

clomid messed with my head bad and both times I took it I got bad acne , not sure it was the cause but certainly dident seem to help

How much time are you planing to stay on tren total?

 

[Gunsmith]

Wouldn't Being on anyyyy test defeat the purpose of pct and keep u shut down

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the way I see it is that the HCG is their forcing the balls back I to production the low dose of test will keep the sex drive and estrogen in balance , the balls will be back up to size and functioning even though their is sone test prsant

 

[Gunsmith]

How much time are you planing to stay on tren total?

16 weeks

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

that is a good theory

 

[nidal ak]

stats 5'8 185-190 10% 23 years old..

test cyp 1-8 400/week
npp 1-8 100eod
test prop 9-12 400/week
test prop- 13-20 25ed
masteron 9-20 50ed
tren ace 13-20 32 ed

aromasin 12.5 ed
caber .5 x2 if needed
hcg 500ius week


pct
torem 120/120/ 60/60/60
nova 40/40/20/20/20


WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? ESP THE FACT THAT I WANT TO DROP DOSES TOWARD THE END OF THE CYCLE...

I'd start with the androgens first, Chris250 laid out a plan

and then

finish my cycle with anabolics (NPP) and some test pro

PRIME your body with the androgens and then go for the anabolics.
don't worry you will still be lean if your diet is in check

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

Y?


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[MindandBody]

My rat likes to run "bulking" compounds while dieting (e.g. test, deca, dbol/adrol). This will allow a couple things to happen: Full muscles even with reduced carbs, greater strength gains, overall better mental state since you feel like you are actually making good muscular gains while incinerating fat. If you have your aromasin implemented, then you should stay fairly dry too. Don't be afraid to mix bulking and cutting compounds either. Dbol/winnie combo is taboo, but should not be discounted.

As always...lift hard, do cardio at the time, intensity, and duration that your body requires....and keep a clean diet! Good luck bro

 

[nidal ak]

the (test,tren,mast) will have more fat burning and body recomp effect (sure lean gains as well), which will maximize the effects from the NPP if you use it after

you mentioned above that you are 10% bf so getting it down a couple of digits down then lean bulking with NPP will yield better results at the end

using (test,tren,mast) in the beginning or in the end won't be that different but using NPP at a lower BF will allow you to maximize NPP's (anabolic effect).

you will still be lean if your diet is in check