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How I fixed my chronic shoulder issues

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First off, there are ton of you guys that are more knowledgeable than me, so feel free to add to this thread with better info and don't hesitate to correct anything stupid I say. I'm literally just some guy that goes to the gym.

I had real bad pain in both shoulders for years. All completely avoidable. I did what alot of do: Lift heavy all the time and not do proper stretching/mobility shit, developed pain and inflammation, gradually got weaker. Sometimes it would be the left shoulder, sometimes the right shoulder, sometimes both.
We're talking probably ten years of this. Did physical therapy, but it was a waste of time because it wasn't a PT that deals with people who lift, it was a regular PT that helps people in their 80s stay mobile. Anyway, through trial and error, I've got my shoulders feeling pretty good (for 48 years old,) here's what I did:

1. Stretches
By far, the stretch that helped the most is just doing dead hangs from a bar. My understanding is that this opens up the subacromial space which relieves impingement. I have no idea if that's accurate, I just know it worked for me. I would do dead hangs at the end of every training session (even legs, cardio, whatever). Hang from the bar as long as possible, rest, do it again three times. I also did some weighted chest stretching with dumbells, because having a tight chest causes shoulder issues; but hanging from the bar really helped a lot.

2. Exercise selection
For awhile, I completely stopped doing any pressing. My gym has the Prime pec-deck that goes up to 350 pounds, so that became my main chest movement. Raises for shoulders. I don't know about IFBB pros, but I really believe that most of us don't need to do any pressing to get the physiques we want. You can build your chest with flye movements and each head of your delts with raises. That being said, I still love pressing, so I've started doing some pressing movements again. I ONLY do pressing with dumbells or cables. No barbell, no machines. It's not that I think machines are all bad, it's just that you're locked into a fixed plane of movement, and if that's not a good movement for your individual biomechanics, then you could be doing damage over time (IMO).

3. TB-500
I don't really know how much this has helped, I give most of the credit to the stretching and exercise selection, but I've been taking 10 mg of TB-500 a week for awhile now. One of our sponsors sells it for a good price, so I stocked up on it because I read about so many potential benefits. I assume it's helping though. A lot of times the pain in my shoulders was a "burning" sensation, and I don't ever seem to get that now. I'm guessing that was from inflammation and maybe the TB-500 has lowered my inflammation? I'm curious if anyone else is running TB-500 indefinitely like this?
Is there anything I need to worry about running high dose TB-500 long term like this?

Anyway, if your shoulders hurt, hang from a bar all the time. Thanks for attending my TED talk
 
Always hang before each workout and do laterals to failure with a drop set last before any machine shoulder press. Works for me for 20+ yrs training (knock on wood). I think the type of presses matter as well. Any bar, either smith or not with appropriate weight and I feel the pressure deep in the joint. Dumbbells every full moon for reps, but usually machine press.
 
First off, there are ton of you guys that are more knowledgeable than me, so feel free to add to this thread with better info and don't hesitate to correct anything stupid I say. I'm literally just some guy that goes to the gym.

I had real bad pain in both shoulders for years. All completely avoidable. I did what alot of do: Lift heavy all the time and not do proper stretching/mobility shit, developed pain and inflammation, gradually got weaker. Sometimes it would be the left shoulder, sometimes the right shoulder, sometimes both.
We're talking probably ten years of this. Did physical therapy, but it was a waste of time because it wasn't a PT that deals with people who lift, it was a regular PT that helps people in their 80s stay mobile. Anyway, through trial and error, I've got my shoulders feeling pretty good (for 48 years old,) here's what I did:

1. Stretches
By far, the stretch that helped the most is just doing dead hangs from a bar. My understanding is that this opens up the subacromial space which relieves impingement. I have no idea if that's accurate, I just know it worked for me. I would do dead hangs at the end of every training session (even legs, cardio, whatever). Hang from the bar as long as possible, rest, do it again three times. I also did some weighted chest stretching with dumbells, because having a tight chest causes shoulder issues; but hanging from the bar really helped a lot.

2. Exercise selection
For awhile, I completely stopped doing any pressing. My gym has the Prime pec-deck that goes up to 350 pounds, so that became my main chest movement. Raises for shoulders. I don't know about IFBB pros, but I really believe that most of us don't need to do any pressing to get the physiques we want. You can build your chest with flye movements and each head of your delts with raises. That being said, I still love pressing, so I've started doing some pressing movements again. I ONLY do pressing with dumbells or cables. No barbell, no machines. It's not that I think machines are all bad, it's just that you're locked into a fixed plane of movement, and if that's not a good movement for your individual biomechanics, then you could be doing damage over time (IMO).

3. TB-500
I don't really know how much this has helped, I give most of the credit to the stretching and exercise selection, but I've been taking 10 mg of TB-500 a week for awhile now. One of our sponsors sells it for a good price, so I stocked up on it because I read about so many potential benefits. I assume it's helping though. A lot of times the pain in my shoulders was a "burning" sensation, and I don't ever seem to get that now. I'm guessing that was from inflammation and maybe the TB-500 has lowered my inflammation? I'm curious if anyone else is running TB-500 indefinitely like this?
Is there anything I need to worry about running high dose TB-500 long term like this?

Anyway, if your shoulders hurt, hang from a bar all the time. Thanks for attending my TED talk

Did you have any pain when doing the stretches?
 
After my first shoulder surgury i went to an PT and the second visit he told me not to come any more as i was actually knew what to do and was doing it. The orthos i have seen then wont even send me to a PT as they have all said i know what works. What it takes for work arounds to keep going depends on what damage is being worked around. I did stretches and rehab work as my shoulders went down hill. Pressing really doesn't seem to be a very natural movement to me. Especially overhead, gave them up decades ago. Knowing what the damage is helps. Inflammation, torn tendons or bone on bone require different treatments i find.
 
the worst pressing is elbows wide, overhead. The humerus is in a bad spot there, impingement city. Plus it really limits the range of motion. Any pressing I do overhead is a neutral grip, elbows come all the way down to my ribs. Real good stretch and muscle activation... But lighter weight
 
After my first shoulder surgury i went to an PT and the second visit he told me not to come any more as i was actually knew what to do and was doing it. The orthos i have seen then wont even send me to a PT as they have all said i know what works. What it takes for work arounds to keep going depends on what damage is being worked around. I did stretches and rehab work as my shoulders went down hill. Pressing really doesn't seem to be a very natural movement to me. Especially overhead, gave them up decades ago. Knowing what the damage is helps. Inflammation, torn tendons or bone on bone require different treatments i find.

Yes, very true. A lot of PTs will just automatically have anyone with shoulder issues do external rotation to "strengthen the rotator cuff". Well, if you've got severe impingement and inflammation, then that's probably going to make it worse
 
A lot of shoulder issues and injuries on here lately. End of 2023 I couldn’t press more than a plate and a quarter over head or raise my left arm higher than my jawline.

Now I can press 3-4 plates controlled overhead with no pain and have full ROM. If it was not for stem cells I would not be competing still. I didn’t think they would work at the time as my MRI was rough. But I got lucky and despite the cost, getting stem cells were the best investment I could have made on my health. I tried all the PT, devices, Chiro, deep tissue, Neubi, shockwave therapy, peptides etc but stem cells changed the game.
 
Always hang before each workout and do laterals to failure with a drop set last before any machine shoulder press. Works for me for 20+ yrs training (knock on wood). I think the type of presses matter as well. Any bar, either smith or not with appropriate weight and I feel the pressure deep in the joint. Dumbbells every full moon for reps, but usually machine press.
Exactly what I do. Also, I do broom handle pullovers for 25-50 reps when I wake up and before bed. This really helped with my internally rotated shoulders.
 
I had a pain that started with a dumbbell incline bench press started immediately after woefully inadequate warmup. The pain (discomfort really) remained for 18 months when I finally decided to go to a chiropractor. After one session of dry needling, it was 80% better. A second session yielded almost no improvement, but hey, I felt so much better after the first session, I was not too disappointed.

On another note, after literally not being able to do dips for 15 years or so (I'd try every 5 years or so LOL), about a year ago I was able to do a few dips with very little discomfort. A month later I could do a dozen DEEP bodyweight dips pain-free. No idea why the change, but I still do one set of bodyweight dips each workout. I thought about adding some weight and then thought "why push my luck."
 
Bar hangs are the best. Helps with herniated discs in cervical and lumbar spine too. Zero shoulder issues for years now. Used to need cortisone for bursitis, it's been nearly ten years without it.
 
A lot of shoulder issues and injuries on here lately. End of 2023 I couldn’t press more than a plate and a quarter over head or raise my left arm higher than my jawline.
So you went from not being able to OHP 185#
Now I can press 3-4 plates controlled overhead with no pain and have full ROM.
To pressing 315-405# over head in a controlled fashion and full rom?

For reps I would assume too bc why would you be doing, or risking 'singles' as a competitive bb, right?

That is so extremely impressive!
I've seen your pics and did not think that you weighed more than say 230?

If I guessed close to your correct weight, then you are ridiculously and uncommonly strong!

If it was not for stem cells I would not be competing still.
Can you give a ball park as to the costs involved?

How long do individual therapy sessions last? Is it just placing an injection and done?

Were you by chance taking anything like tb500, or bpc157 at the same time as your stem cell treatments?
 
So you went from not being able to OHP 185#

To pressing 315-405# over head in a controlled fashion and full rom?

For reps I would assume too bc why would you be doing, or risking 'singles' as a competitive bb, right?

That is so extremely impressive!
I've seen your pics and did not think that you weighed more than say 230?

If I guessed close to your correct weight, then you are ridiculously and uncommonly strong!


Can you give a ball park as to the costs involved?

How long do individual therapy sessions last? Is it just placing an injection and done?

Were you by chance taking anything like tb500, or bpc157 at the same time as your stem cell treatments?
 

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