How long Before Your Natural

dragonfire101 · Sep 10, 2005

How long Before you can consider yourself natural again. I guess this is a subjective question because if you used 1 time in your life you will have bro's saying that your not natural. Anyways I want to do a show because all the shows in my area are natural. From what I understand that want you clean for 5 years. I haven't done prohoromes in over 1 1/2. I wanted to compete next year. Prohormoens are still not considered natural although you can get them at GNC.

Anyways I will be working with a natural pro form work. He hasent competed in 5 year sdo to an injury and will be competing again this year and wanted me to train wih him. He was back on team univers in the early 90's as a middle wieght. I think he said his highest placing was third. He was a middle weight though so he is not a huge person and now in hi searly 40's.

BigMatt · Sep 10, 2005

Never.

Tman2002 · Sep 11, 2005

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Everyones natural, considering there are those out there who have yet to touch aas and still look better than some who are on their 5th cycle.

STORM SHADOW · Sep 11, 2005

Sue me if you don't agree!

I don't believe there are naturals. I believe once one walks into GNC it's over. Anything used to bypass bad genetics is not natural. Be it digestive enzymes for a poor digestive system, creatine, you name it. The degree of how unnatural you are is the question.

I know a guy at one of the gyms I belong to. I have to avoid conversations with him. He enters Natural Comps all the time.. and when talking to him.. he slides that word 'natural' in every three words out of his mouth. Ok, I'm proud of him..he's natural, now give it a rest. If he says it one more time I'll puke hormones on him and take away his natural claim. Hell he'll probably run off screaming to the shower "I'm ruined! I'm ruined!" then slide into a psychotic episode reminicent of Apocolypse Now "The Horror, the horrer".

STORM SHADOW out

P.S. hehehehe it just occured to me.. if the Comps took that logic and used it... could you see the banner? '30% Natural BB'ing Comp' 'We are better than them, ours is 10% natural Comp'.

xcelbeyond · Sep 11, 2005

IMHO they can say 1, 3, 5 years or "whatever." If you've been clean for 1-1/2 years, anything you took "then" is not giving you an advantage "now." To me, that's the reality of it - - are the drugs giving you an advantage "now."

STORM SHADOW · Sep 11, 2005

xcelbeyond said:
IMHO they can say 1, 3, 5 years or "whatever." If you've been clean for 1-1/2 years, anything you took "then" is not giving you an advantage "now." To me, that's the reality of it - - are the drugs giving you an advantage "now."

hmmm interesting way of looking at it. But you don't think the 'short' road there contributes to being unnatural? Of course clean for years.. that person won't have the advantage of what anavar or parabolin or even Halo has in getting one hard... add in the DNP and stuff like that. Or if the person took years of HGH.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm

dragonfire101 · Sep 12, 2005

If you've been clean for 1-1/2 years, anything you took "then" is not giving you an advantage "now." To me, that's the reality of it - - are the drugs giving you an advantage "now."

Thats basically the answer I was looking for and wanted to see if anyone thought this. I feel the same way , but dont want to be considered a cheater, but I have no advatage now I believe. I never really got that much bigger off prohormes always been at least 200 at 10% bdf when watching my diet naturally. Big enough to enter a natuarl contest at around 190 at 5%.

joshbarnett · Sep 12, 2005

you are 200 at 10% and you think you will naturally diet down and weigh 190 on stage? you will be no where near that number.

VulgarDisplay · Sep 12, 2005

Personal or Tecnically??

Personal opinions will vary...but in WA state you can legally compete in a natural show if you have been clean for at least one year.

dragonfire101 · Sep 12, 2005

but in WA state you can legally compete in a natural show if you have been clean for at least one year.

All the shows were I at give polygrapghs and ask you if you use anything in the last 5 yrs. Although I know some who get in the comps and lie through that and win.

you are 200 at 10% and you think you will naturally diet down and weigh 190 on stage? you will be no where near that number.

I estimated. 200-5% is 190. I really cant see myself being less than 185. I dont plan on loosing that much muscle.

VulgarDisplay · Sep 12, 2005

dragonfire101 said:
All the shows were I at give polygrapghs and ask you if you use anything in the last 5 yrs. Although I know some who get in the comps and lie through that and win.

I'll e-mail the NPC chairman for the western region and verify the regulations.

Coopie · Sep 12, 2005

In my opinion, once the longest-lasting ester from your last shot is past it's half life, you're natural!

VulgarDisplay · Sep 12, 2005

Natural.....

I just spoke with the NPC chair and it is up to the individual promoters of each contest to decide how long they want competitors to be clean. For the Ironman Brad and Elaine Craig require 2 years clean. They use the ploygraph method to verify.

DOGMA · Sep 13, 2005

Yeah

Im natural about 4 times each year.

dragonfire101 · Sep 13, 2005

There is only one NPC show in my area and that is the state open. The rest are INBF,WNBF and OCB shows.

VulgarDisplay · Sep 13, 2005

dragonfire101 said:
There is only one NPC show in my area and that is the state open. The rest are INBF,WNBF and OCB shows.

You should promote an NPC show yourself, then you could decide who is clean and who isn't. Looks like your area needs another show.

nandro · Sep 13, 2005

i've been natural for over 3 years. i still have a good amount of residual from my competive days and that was taking over 2.5 years off from the gym. i have a really close friend in the same position as me and he is still big and looks better than most in the gym. we both took decent amounts of gh and i must say that i think our body composition will never be that what it was prior to the drugs. i've seen others who have just taken the steroids and look like crap. maybe it's the gh

BigMatt · Sep 14, 2005

Its all about the amount of muscle that you did gain of the gear.

Take this as an example;

Say your 22 years old at 180 8% BF NATURAL,you never did take any HORMONES,GH,Insulin...

You do one cycle of Test
Gain 10lb of muscle during that cycle...

So now your like 190 at same BF...

You continue to train BUT NATURAL years after.No other cycle...

Your now 25 at 210 8% BF.

YOUR NOT NATURAL Even if you have not cycle for 3 years

Because of the 210 8%BF your sitting now,YOU DID GAIN 10lb of muscle With help of the gear that you did 3 years ago...

Understand what i mean?

Crowler · Sep 14, 2005

BigMatt said:
Its all about the amount of muscle that you did gain of the gear.

Take this as an example;

Say your 22 years old at 180 8% BF NATURAL,you never did take any HORMONES,GH,Insulin...

You do one cycle of Test
Gain 10lb of muscle during that cycle...

So now your like 190 at same BF...

You continue to train BUT NATURAL years after.No other cycle...

Your now 25 at 210 8% BF.

YOUR NOT NATURAL Even if you have not cycle for 3 years

Because of the 210 8%BF your sitting now,YOU DID GAIN 10lb of muscle With help of the gear that you did 3 years ago...

Understand what i mean?

I agree 100%.

My friend and his 2 brothers worked out together for a couple years starting when they were in their late 30s. He decided to do AS and his 2 brothers did not. He does AS for 3 years enters and wins the novice, masters and open Mr NY. All 3 stop working out about a year later

Fast forward 20 years. His brothers have gone back down to about 150lbs at 5'6" He hasn't lifted more than a dozen times in 15 years and he is still over 200lbs sitting at about 12% and can still out bench the shit out most of the guys half his age who have never juiced.

Personal freind of mine a former Pro bodybuilder (youngest bodybuilder ever to get his pro card) hasn't lifted more than 20 times in the past 10 years and you would think you was a very serious natural lifter. Not bodybuilder level but even with a sweat shirt on most people would think he was a regular lifter.

As a former gym and health club owner for many years I have seen quite a few examples like this.

CROWLER

CROWLER

xcelbeyond · Sep 14, 2005

BigMatt said:
Its all about the amount of muscle that you did gain of the gear.

Take this as an example;

Say your 22 years old at 180 8% BF NATURAL,you never did take any HORMONES,GH,Insulin...

You do one cycle of Test
Gain 10lb of muscle during that cycle...

So now your like 190 at same BF...

You continue to train BUT NATURAL years after.No other cycle...

Your now 25 at 210 8% BF.

YOUR NOT NATURAL Even if you have not cycle for 3 years

Because of the 210 8%BF your sitting now,YOU DID GAIN 10lb of muscle With help of the gear that you did 3 years ago...

Understand what i mean?

So 10 years later, you're still not natural

So what your saying, it's lifetime natural or NOTHING?!?

What if you took a substance that was not illegal/banned like 19Nor4Androstendiol years ago and now it's illegal?!?! What if they ban Creatine?!?!? Where is the line between natual and not - really?