how many of us actually get our gear tested

[NaDa]

Seems like I should send off this Mast E from Vicon. Was told they didn't need to test because they had been around a long time.

 

[TomJ]

Hey @TomJ , appreciate you voicing your concerns.

Just to clarify, the situation being discussed was a factory-level mislabeling issue, not intentional underdosing. It was addressed directly with the customer involved, who received a full refund plus reimbursement for the Janoshik test, and he confirmed satisfaction afterwards.

We’re not here to debate drama publicly, but we stand behind our quality. Anyone with questions or wanting to verify results is welcome to request independent lab reports or even test our products themselves, we fully support transparency.

If you’d like to discuss specifics, feel free to reach out anytime at [email protected].

Wishing everyone a great and safe training journey.

Jim

So you sell 30mg/ml primo ace? Weird I don't see that anywhere on your site.

So how did it get mislabeled multiple times?

 

[BALDNAZI]

Hope I’m wrong but have a feeling a few sponsors are about to be exposed. Remember to send nothing with labels and never tell the testers what it is or who the lab is. It’s a small world and you never know who’s looking out for who.
No labels, no info. Send them an extra vial with fucking olive oil in it, I don’t care. You are paying them to test, so make them test. Just simply “What is in this vial?”

 

[Jefe]

So you sell 30mg/ml primo ace? Weird I don't see that anywhere on your site.

So how did it get mislabeled multiple times?

One vial and one customer were the only thing affected by a supplier mistake?

Or am I missing something? (Which does happen)

 

[ZaddyZonar]

One vial and one customer were the only thing affected by a supplier mistake?

Or am I missing something? (Which does happen)

It’s not YMS first rodeo of getting caught with underdosed or different compounds compared to their label. They also do not reimburse jano testing which steers a lot of people away from sending stuff in to verify.

You can check ASF and see quite a handful of bad Jano tests from YMS product, and they always have the same response of handling it with said customer and that no one else was affected.

 

[TomJ]

One vial and one customer were the only thing affected by a supplier mistake?

Or am I missing something? (Which does happen)

One vial and one customer were the only ones who caught them this time.

 

[aHarness]

Just to clarify, the situation being discussed was a factory-level mislabeling issue, not intentional underdosing. It was addressed directly with the customer involved, who received a full refund plus reimbursement for the Janoshik test, and he confirmed satisfaction afterwards.

It’s half the dose dude. That’s not mislabeling when both products are supposed to be the same mg amount.

 

[aHarness]

Hope I’m wrong but have a feeling a few sponsors are about to be exposed. Remember to send nothing with labels and never tell the testers what it is or who the lab is. It’s a small world and you never know who’s looking out for who.
No labels, no info. Send them an extra vial with fucking olive oil in it, I don’t care. You are paying them to test, so make them test. Just simply “What is in this vial?”

I’d love to get some testing done on directs products if anyone has anything they would like to send off. I have seen some terrible total T levels with them.

 

[aHarness]

One vial and one customer were the only thing affected by a supplier mistake?

Or am I missing something? (Which does happen)

They just mislabeled one vial, obviously

 

[Truckman]

strong accountability, keeps the views and trust for reliability in the industry.

 

[Simon90]

I don’t personally, but I trust the lab I use fully, they send all raws for testing and the results have also been speaking for them selves !

 

[aHarness]

I think we should try to either keep this thread alive, or start one perhaps where we can discuss the idea of holding labs more accountable.

strong accountability, keeps the views and trust for reliability in the industry.

@Yourmuscleshop I see you liked this post. Did you pull the primo from your website?

@Vision did you ever figure out what happened with yours? I know you guys claim to test everything, any clue what happened with this vial?

 

[JUICEDUP3]

Unfortunately there's probably more of this that happens than any of us realize. (underdosed products)

 

[NaDa]

@VICON why dont you guys test?

 

[Yourmuscleshop]

I think we should try to either keep this thread alive, or start one perhaps where we can discuss the idea of holding labs more accountable.


@Yourmuscleshop I see you liked this post. Did you pull the primo from your website?

@Vision did you ever figure out what happened with yours? I know you guys claim to test everything, any clue what happened with this vial?

Nothing was pulled, Primo is simply out of stock at the moment.

Appreciate the discussion on accountability, we’re always open to it and stand behind what we put out.

Jim

 

[Virtues]

Last time I tested. It was overdosed. Not sure you see that anymore..

 

[mexbeast]

Seems like I should send off this Mast E from Vicon. Was told they didn't need to test because they had been around a long time.

If you do, please come back and share your results!

 

[workingclass]

I think we should try to either keep this thread alive, or start one perhaps where we can discuss the idea of holding labs more accountable.

we should absolutely keep holding labs accountable - especially so called guaranteed sponsors

it takes members who actually have a pair and who aren't trying to dick ride sponsors simply because of a relationship or fear of being banned

at the end of the day it should never be personal

it should be simple transparency when members provide their own testing; that they aren't told why the results, or lack there of, are void just because they don't look good for the sponsor

it's great that sponsors provide their own testing imo but there should always be a great level of credence given when members come out of their own pocket for testing and those results

is it possible that a member posting results has something to gain? sure. it's possible and should always be considered but that doesn't automatically discredit each result, question, comment or concern

as far as something to gain- the same is said for sponsors posting their own results from their own hand picked gear

something should also be said about the way that sponsors handle these claims and results from members

does shit happen? yes. is everything a constant 100% infallible guarantee? no.

it's when problems arise and how they are handled that says the most to me - especially in public forum

accountability and transparency

 

[aHarness]

Nothing was pulled, Primo is simply out of stock at the moment.

Appreciate the discussion on accountability, we’re always open to it and stand behind what we put out.

Jim

Well, feel bad for the rest of the fellas that put it out of stock then lol

 

[aHarness]

Unfortunately there's probably more of this that happens than any of us realize. (underdosed products)

I mean, I don’t know why anyone would be shocked by that when no one here really holds these sources accountable at the moment. And I’m guilty too, hoping to change that though. I think a telegram/discord or even just a running thread of the users testing and all of us chiming in to test x product would be great.